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Well yeah the stuff is stupid on its face, but if all it takes is showing it to people to get them to reject it, why is it still perpetuated  e: Finkelstein's view seems to be that leftists and Jewish holocaust fakers are the reason, which seems uh, extremely distasteful to me
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Flesh Forge posted:He seems super committed to the idea that, if people are given a thorough sales pitch from sincere holocaust denialists, they will inevitably reject it? I don't buy it as an argument at all. But I think "what university would want the liability of negative publicity anyway?" is a bad counter to it -- you have to remember that identical reasoning was used to completely destroy Finkelstein's career. It's hard to disagree with the idea that these decisions should be held to universal principles rather than the cost / benefit analysis of institutional employers. The issue is that those principles can stop well short of platforming denialists. Finkelstein absolutely isn't an affluent academic with tenure, lol
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Sekhem posted:I don't think he believes people will just spontaneously discover the correct opinion on exposure. Rather, that the access to arguments of sincere holocaust denialists allow their opponents to more rigorously combat their points. And in turn sharpen their own understanding of the subject by compelling them to refine the finer details of their arguments. Yeah, I can absolutely see why Finkelstein believes this, though I think he believed it even before Dersh got him blacklisted.
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The thing is, the reason left thinkers get purged is entirely separate from the reasons holocaust deniers get or are denied a platform. You could have a literal Nazi at every campus in this nation and you'll still get turfed out if you're a commie or pro-BDS
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Sekhem posted:I don't think he believes people will just spontaneously discover the correct opinion on exposure. Rather, that the access to arguments of sincere holocaust denialists allow their opponents to more rigorously combat their points. And in turn sharpen their own understanding of the subject by compelling them to refine the finer details of their arguments. maybe it's just me but I think this can be done without marinating students in it for semesters at a time 
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Epic High Five posted:The thing is, the reason left thinkers get purged is entirely separate from the reasons holocaust deniers get or are denied a platform. You could have a literal Nazi at every campus in this nation and you'll still get turfed out if you're a commie or pro-BDS The issue is that in many cases, academic institutions will utilise the justifications you can legitimately use for platforming fascists as a weapon to silence critics of Israel. Finkelstein has repeatedly had himself slandered as creating unsafe environments, apologising for genocidal politics, fueling anti-semitic arguments, even to the extent of being accused of being proximal to holocaust revisionism himself.
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Sekhem posted:I don't buy it as an argument at all. But I think "what university would want the liability of negative publicity anyway?" is a bad counter to it -- you have to remember that identical reasoning was used to completely destroy Finkelstein's career. It's hard to disagree with the idea that these decisions should be held to universal principles rather than the cost / benefit analysis of institutional employers. The issue is that those principles can stop well short of platforming denialists. Wasn't meant to be a powerful rhetorical killshot, just an observation that universities aren't going out of their way to make themselves look bad, just on account of some self-important dingus who feels such a need to show off owning those particular turbonazis that he argues against social media companies banning them.
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extremely normal https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1320713959943606275?s=20
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Imagine if Democrats had the gumption to do something about it.
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Platystemon posted:Imagine if Democrats had the gumption to do something about it. Look, they're smearing and disappearing critics of genocide as fast as the republicans will allow, have some patience.
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eric trump and karl rove step into a teleporter
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Incelshok Na posted:I'm not going to defend the CCP here since they are obviously in the wrong, but unlike the Uighur genocide, chopping up religious extremists like the Falun Gong for organs is absolutely the best use of their material. Liberal
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a Loving Dog posted:eric trump and karl rove step into a teleporter wow, nailed it
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a Loving Dog posted:eric trump and karl rove step into a teleporter 
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I just had a funny idea for counterprotesting white nationalists: "We must secure the existence of our planet and a future for ALL children."
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Similarly I've taken to referring to the blue line flag as the Black Lives Don't Matter flag
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Spergin Morlock posted:I just had a funny idea for counterprotesting white nationalists: ALL POWER!
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Data Graham posted:Similarly I've taken to referring to the blue line flag as the Black Lives Don't Matter flag Blue Lives Matter is interchangeable with All Lives Matter, so this checks out.
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proud boy brings gun to fistfight, gets knocked out https://twitter.com/cvagainstfash/status/1317549987539144712?s=21
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Bobby Digital posted:proud boy brings gun to fistfight, gets knocked out If this happened at a skatepark the dude probably got some heavy metal skateboard trucks to the head, what an idiot.
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Bobby Digital posted:proud boy brings gun to fistfight, gets knocked out lol nerd
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do you think they're pissed off when they get moved from cspam to 4chan? it's like being moved from byob to fyad X100000
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Do you think feds assigned to watch places like SA ever get radicalized by reading our posting, or do they just search key words so there’s no danger of being taught that they’re living a lie as tools of capital?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Do you think feds assigned to watch places like SA ever get radicalized by reading our posting, or do they just search key words so there’s no danger of being taught that they’re living a lie as tools of capital? i imagine they figure out that they're tools living a lie pretty quick and the rest is just details
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Hang on I'll try something President Airplane Bomb ... The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
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Ironically the leftists in Internet VFW are what brought me over the fence from liberal to left. CSPAM has a lot of good threads but due to a minority of users outside of the best threads it has too much toxicity, infighting and dictator apologism for a lot of people on the fence.
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Hodgepodge posted:do you think they're pissed off when they get moved from cspam to 4chan?
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Hodgepodge posted:i imagine they figure out that they're tools living a lie pretty quick and the rest is just details I'd imagine some adopt compartmentalized thought patterns such as "yes capitalism is bad but if I attach myself to the state I can survive it"
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Bobby Digital posted:proud boy brings gun to fistfight, gets knocked out i wonder if this guy went to the police station to report that his gun had been stolen
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Do you think feds assigned to watch places like SA ever get radicalized by reading our posting, or do they just search key words so there’s no danger of being taught that they’re living a lie as tools of capital? we mostly just end up getting really mad about superhero movies
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Ironically the leftists in Internet VFW are what brought me over the fence from liberal to left. CSPAM has a lot of good threads but due to a minority of users outside of the best threads it has too much toxicity, infighting and dictator apologism for a lot of people on the fence. VFW?
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[Internet] Veterans of Foreign Wars, formerly Goons in Platoons
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miniscule12 posted:I'd imagine some adopt compartmentalized thought patterns such as "yes capitalism is bad but if I attach myself to the state I can survive it" quote:"Your family could still be alive, you know.'' Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 07:50 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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Filthy Hans posted:why did GiP rebrand goons have sort of aged out of the "in platoons" demographic
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Filthy Hans posted:why did GiP rebrand Most recently it’s because someone asked to “delete GiP” and the administrators maliciously complied by renaming the forum rather than removing it. Platystemon has issued a correction as of 09:19 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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GiP actually does have feds watching it in case the posters there get drunk and start banging on about military procedure or capabilities. New mods have to get the lowdown when they sign on because it's scary as gently caress to have some intelligence nerd call you up in the middle of the night yelling at you to erase a post before the Chinese wake up and see it.
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