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gradenko_2000 posted:lol you guys finally got rid of pissflaps only to get this motherfucker as the replacement at least pissflaps didn't post in cspam
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genericnick posted:Also I'm pretty disappointed with all of you who quit Labour instead of being expelled. Post better. That would've involved keeping paying Labour for 6 more months & that's a no from me.
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Doctor Jeep posted:at least pissflaps didn't post in cspam yes, but, consider this: what if jeremy corbyn smooched hitler???
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mr starmer sir please suspend this mp from labour as well, this is much more anti semitic than anything corbyn’s ever said i’ll be waiting......... https://twitter.com/bencooper/status/1321873862238285824?s=21
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i heard that hermann goering also liked jam. checkmate, corbynailures
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Al-Saqr posted:Israel and its supporters and friends are the blood enemy of the left and should be treated as such.
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forkboy84 posted:You're a disingenuous fuckwit, the leadership of Labour never said "there isn't any antisemitism & it's Zionist smears", just gently caress right off with making poo poo up quote:Corbyn denied there was any crisis in the party over antisemitism and suggested that those inflaming the situation were out to undermine his leadership because they were “nervous of the strength of the Labour party at local level”. He only really acknowledged, it after huge pressure, in 2018. There is now widespread agreement from a number of Corbynites (including St JC himself) that it was acknolweged and addressed far too late. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-labour-antisemitism-problem-smears-ken-livingstone-len-mccluskey-a7008746.html quote:Speaking on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Ms Abbott said: "It's something of a smear against ordinary party members, it is, it is a smear to say the Labour party has a problem with antisemitism. quote:Shortly after, Mr McCluskey, the General Secretary of Unite and Labour's biggest donor, said Mr Corbyn was the victim of "a cynical attempt to manipulate antisemitism for political aims". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sIn7rryjmE This is a lovely one of Seumas Milne and Gorgeous George on RT saying how people are trying to smear Corbyn
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he shouldn't have acknowledged anything and should've done purges that would've made stalin look like a gentle soul no more jam/maple syrup grandpas, only men of steel
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therattle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/28/jeremy-corbyn-denies-labour-crisis-over-antisemitism There never was a crisis you disingenuous turd there were a couple of assholes that Corbyn tried to address and was cock blocked by right leaning Labour MPs. Do you seriously believe that Corbyn spearheaded some antisemitic movement within Labour so strongly that it instantly became the pinnacle of importance for inter-party problems? Or was it a smear that was surprisingly effective with the public so the media jumped on it to stop left populism from taking over the government?
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Doctor Jeep posted:at least pissflaps didn't post in cspam He tried
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therattle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/28/jeremy-corbyn-denies-labour-crisis-over-antisemitism Are you posting from the Integrity Initiative's basement?
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RasperFat posted:There never was a crisis you disingenuous turd there were a couple of assholes that Corbyn tried to address and was cock blocked by right leaning Labour MPs. There were a lot of assholes about which very little was done because it wasn’t seen as important. OF COURSE it was weaponised - anything useful will be - but that isn’t proof that it was invented or a smear. I have never said that he spearheaded an AS movement. It’s more about a failure to recognise and address it, which allowed it to spread. There was/is a blind spot to leftist AS. Even JC himself, Murphy, McDonnell etc now recognise that there was a problem (unlike many posters here). Everyone who keeps repeating that it was just a smear is making the problem worse. It’s delusional. Read the personal testimonies. therattle has issued a correction as of 19:57 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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therattle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/28/jeremy-corbyn-denies-labour-crisis-over-antisemitism You watched the outright fascist press collude with the tories to destroy a left movement and install one of their own at the head of it to purge the survivors and you response is "they've got a point though"
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In May 2019, Labour National Executive Committee member Jon Lansman wrote that leaked emails "...suggest that former compliance unit officials from the Labour right may have delayed action on some of the most extreme and high-profile antisemitism cases, including Holocaust denial, allowing a backlog of cases to build up that would damage the party and Jeremy's leadership." He also accused former General Secretary Iain McNicol and his team of delaying action on handling antisemitism cases, and allowing a backlog of cases to build up that would damage the party and Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.[276]
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therattle posted:There were a lot of assholes about which very little was done because it wasn’t seen as important. OF COURSE it was weaponised - anything useful will be - but that isn’t proof that it was invented or a smear. You mean personal testimonies that came from like 3 people submitting hundreds of complaints to make it seem like a widespread problem? What goal do you think you’re accomplishing by reinforcing the narrative that antisemitism was a problem under Corbyn? Do you think it’s going to help address any contemporary antisemitism happening? Will it prevent any bigotry in the future? Or is the only lasting effect going to be permanently tainting the public image of one of the only world leaders who is actually a decent person advocating good policies?
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It’s interesting that the report says that the complaints committee had a backlog that wasn’t being resolved quickly enough. That was because one nutjob was responsible for half of the received complaints. Some of the complaints were not about Party members or affiliates, had no connection to anti-semitism, and were frequently duplicates when he didn’t get the result he wanted. https://www.prole-star.co.uk/single-post/2020/04/14/Labour-Report-Half-Of-2019-Antisemitism-Complaints-Came-From-ONE-Person half of this poo poo was based off reports by one nutcase, and the slowdown in dealing with poo poo was caused by "Italian strike" by the Blairite 5th column.
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Judakel posted:personally, i cannot wait for britain to suffer isnt being grate britane punishment enough
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Judakel posted:personally, i cannot wait for britain to suffer Me, a good leftist: i love when the plebs suffer and the rich people win lol nothing matters tnrp!
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PawParole posted:It’s interesting that the report says that the complaints committee had a backlog that wasn’t being resolved quickly enough. That was because one nutjob was responsible for half of the received complaints. lol. They came from euan phillips who isn't even jewish
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Crane Fist posted:You watched the outright fascist press collude with the tories to destroy a left movement and install one of their own at the head of it to purge the survivors and you response is "they've got a point though" They do have a point. Funnily enough, as a Jew I don’t really want to excuse antisemitism in a purportedly anti-racist organisation because it’ll hurt our electoral chances. We don’t have an absolute monopoly on being right.
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therattle posted:They do have a point. Funnily enough, as a Jew I don’t really want to excuse antisemitism in a purportedly anti-racist organisation because it’ll hurt our electoral chances. We don’t have an absolute monopoly on being right. i was willing to entertain the idea that you were posting in good faith but i believe you just crossed into D&D Posting territory considering the mountains of evidence that the party's lack of movement on antisemitism complaints was right-labour sabotage that has been posted over the last however many pages and your apparent unwillingness to grapple with any of it
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Jazerus posted:i was willing to entertain the idea that you were posting in good faith but i believe you just crossed into D&D Posting territory considering the mountains of evidence that the party's lack of movement on antisemitism complaints was right-labour sabotage that has been posted over the last however many pages and your apparent unwillingness to grapple with any of it This argument does belong in D&D, actually, so I’ll stop.
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therattle posted:They do have a point. Funnily enough, as a Jew I don’t really want to excuse antisemitism in a purportedly anti-racist organisation because it’ll hurt our electoral chances. We don’t have an absolute monopoly on being right. holy poo poo
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therattle posted:As you can probably tell, I mostly read the Guardian, and generally agree with its positions 
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forkboy84 posted:Once again proving what a poo poo leader Corbyn was. Far too weak to do the necessary bloodletting & now it's his blood spilling down the street. Stupid twat. He probably accepts it too. Sad old man with a dedication to a party that hasn't existed in decades. this is the criticism of Corbyn I can respect therattle posted:So lack of complete control of the NEC prevented him from seeing that AS was a problem, and that Jews were being harassed and driven out? we've explained multiple times that the internal Labour disciplinary process was designed to weed out trots
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therattle posted:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/28/jeremy-corbyn-denies-labour-crisis-over-antisemitism Saint Jeremy bollocks is only adding to the suggestion that you are in fact a massive loving wallopper and utterly disingenuous. Funny that. Straight up, I agree. There was not in 2016 & is not today a crisis in the Labour Party about antisemitism unless you're going to be so pedantic that a handful of cases in a party of 500,000 is a crisis, in which case gently caress off you disingenuous twat. And yes, Corbyn is right in that the size of antisemitism inside the Labour Party has been grossly exaggerated by disingenuous fuckwits who at the time were throwing any old poo poo at the wall to see what stuck, & then when they found that the antisemitism one was it they stuck too it relentlessly. Antisemitism is lovely. One antisemite in the Labour is too many. That does not mean Labour had a loving crisis of antisemitism.
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captain picard only really acknowledged that there were five lights, after huge pressure, there is now widespread agreement from a number of starfleet officers
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genericnick posted:Also I'm pretty disappointed with all of you who quit Labour instead of being expelled. Post better. seriously. make them put the effort in
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Atrocious Joe posted:and he's not even there to watch well he was making a u turn you see
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Atrocious Joe posted:this is the criticism of Corbyn I can respect it also like... didn't ignore jewish abuse while still handling sexism, it ignored all abuse. there was a big report on this and how BAME were getting completely hosed over too its coz the party structure itself was poo poo and that only became an issue when it could be weaponised against the leftwing leader and it was accusations of antisemitism because they would stick to corbyn because of his palestinian connections. noteably nobody accused labour of being racist against black people because nobody cares about black people in the UK, if corbyn was racist against black people that would be good, it would make him pro-heritage and pro-statue. noteably nobody really even cares about the systemic failures because the systems were being run by the "right sort" and that'd muddy the issue which is corbyn bad it still was poo poo but you've gotta be real dumb or real committed to being dumb to think labour ignored antisemitism because of corbyn. the corbyn leadership inherited a total hosed up mess, i dont think anybody had appreciated how similarly hosed up the processes within labour are to how hosed up our processes of government are. this looks bad for corbyn though cause hes been in the party for loving decades and should have known
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therattle posted:This argument does belong in D&D, actually, so I’ll stop. "I am finding it increasingly hard to ignore the mountain of evidence against my position, so goodbyeeeeeee"
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:mr starmer sir please suspend this mp from labour as well, this is much more anti semitic than anything corbyn’s ever said I'm starting to get the feeling the British elite don't actually know what anti-Semitism actually is
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:mr starmer sir please suspend this mp from labour as well, this is much more anti semitic than anything corbyn’s ever said actual lmao
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