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Here's today's 'weird anecdote that I just saw': Production Coordinator on The Motion Picture about problematic staff members: "We had one person working with us at Abel whom I was told to literally keep away from [by] Magicam. He was changing the design of the Enterprise, he was a stickler for detail, a stickler for accuracy. He was the only real Trekkie on the film and he really didn't quite understood that this was a movie, he wasn't redesigning a NASA spaceship, this was somebody's made-up design of a spaceship, and just because they'd put out books of the Federation didn't mean that the ship had to look exactly like the old Enterprise. And if you take a look at the old, original Enterprise, it's a very simple design. Besides, as Harold said, it's supposed to be a redesigned Enterprise in the script, so that should explain any deviations from the original. Well, this was just another manifestation of aberrated behaviour, and my job was to keep these little aberrations contained." FYI he's talking about Andrew Probert. So apparently there was an extremely strong no-fans policy for a long time on Trek productions. They understood that some had snuck through but it was very much don't ask don't tell - Ron Moore mentions at one point that eventually after season six of TNG, people who were secretly fans of Trek like himself were allowed to, quote, "come out of the closet". There'd another anecdote where after Drexler had been working a few years on TNG he approached Okuda to ask about transferring to the art team, and he started talking in the conversation about how much he'd always loved Trek, and Okuda had to drag him out of the room and away to somewhere private that they could talk because he knew if anyone overhead Drexler actually being a fan of the show it would instantly kill any chances he had to advance, and Okuda secretly confided in him about how he was also an actual Trekkie and they quietly got to nerd out over their love of Trek for a while. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Orville: hey guys I would also like to be a STAR TREK and maybe a GALAXY QUEST too for good measure Also strongly reminiscent of WING COMMANDER! Thom12255 posted:The DS9 theme is better sped up with the backing beat. It always seemed to me that the new backing track didn't even match up with the theme's beat and time signature, it was just kind of... doing its own thing, playing at the same time. But I admit it's entirely possible I've just always misjudged the original theme's syncopation and where the downbeats actually are. (It's not exactly a rhythmically-driven piece, after all. It's hard to clap along to. Sort of like Fanfare for the Common Man in that respect, now that I'm thinking about it.)
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Oct 31, 2020 17:16
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Unmature posted:Speaking of chains of command, I just got the TOS book Doctor’s Orders in the mail about what happens when Bones is in command of the Enterprise. Excited to read. Free on Kindle right now, and it's a fun book: https://smile.amazon.com/Doctors-Orders-Star-Trek-Original-ebook/dp/B000FC0NK0/ And The Wounded Sky is $2.54. That's a weird one with a Mary Sue insert, but I really enjoyed it too. https://smile.amazon.com/Wounded-Sky-Star-Trek-Original-ebook/dp/B000FC0X0U
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Oct 31, 2020 17:40
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Powered Descent posted:Also strongly reminiscent of WING COMMANDER! I don’t know why the thought of enthusiastically clapping along to the DS9 theme made me bust out laughing, but it did.
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Oct 31, 2020 17:41
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I will always like the DS9 intro+theme, and hate the infidels that do not.
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Oct 31, 2020 17:47
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The melody of the DS9 theme with the horns is great. It’s very stately but also melancholy. I like it a lot However the beat feels off and the video is boring.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:11
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Sash! posted:It is a little known fact that starships require the Captain to physically insert his penis into the ignition chamber to start the warp reaction in Spacedock. "Alas, my ship, whom I love like a woman..."
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Oct 31, 2020 18:23
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Sash! posted:It is a little known fact that starships require the Captain to physically insert his penis into the ignition chamber to start the warp reaction in Spacedock. Uh yeah it's a nuclear reactor, they need a control rod
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Oct 31, 2020 19:41
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feedmyleg posted:I... like Enterprise now?? I've actually come around a bit on Enterprise. Bakula is still a terrible lead, the first season is absolutely hot garbage and it's criminal just how badly Blalock is misused, but there's a lot of good stuff in the second and third seasons. The fourth is still a mess, though. skasion posted:The melody of the DS9 theme with the horns is great. It’s very stately but also melancholy. I like it a lot The original DS9 theme, with the lonely horn, is pitch-perfect. When they amped it up in season 4, though, woof.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:25
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Timby posted:I've actually come around a bit on Enterprise. Bakula is still a terrible lead, the first season is absolutely hot garbage and it's criminal just how badly Blalock is misused, but there's a lot of good stuff in the second and third seasons. The fourth is still a mess, though. I agree with you mostly here. I do have a soft spot for the first season and all the quaint meandering around they did, though. Blalock runs circles around the rest of the cast as the best actor on the show, which they thankfully discovered in season two onwards. However, I think of Enterprise’s fourth season as one of the most consistently excellent seasons of Trek, barring the finale. Manny Coto allowed the show to get a bit lighter, more colorful, and the writing took an almost jarring bump in quality. Stuff like Observer Effect and the Andorian three parter are up there with the best of TNG and DS9 for me.
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Oct 31, 2020 20:56
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IIRC the DS9 theme is mostly in 4/4, but it has one completely random bar of 5/4 in the middle that throws everything off.
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Oct 31, 2020 21:01
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The fourth season is good Trek and it sucks that Manny Coto only got to run things when everyone else was ready to turn off the lights on Trek TV
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Oct 31, 2020 21:02
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Enterprise's fourth season spends entirely too much time crawling up its rear end with continuity porn. It's mostly painful and only feels like a breath of fresh air because it doesn't have the stench of Berman and Braga all over it.
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Oct 31, 2020 21:13
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They finally gave us some of what was promised initially with the series, which was the Foundation of the Federation kind of stuff
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Oct 31, 2020 21:19
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Powered Descent posted:It always seemed to me that the new backing track didn't even match up with the theme's beat and time signature, it was just kind of... doing its own thing, playing at the same time. But I admit it's entirely possible I've just always misjudged the original theme's syncopation and where the downbeats actually are. (It's not exactly a rhythmically-driven piece, after all. It's hard to clap along to. Sort of like Fanfare for the Common Man in that respect, now that I'm thinking about it.)
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Oct 31, 2020 21:46
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FlamingLiberal posted:They finally gave us some of what was promised initially with the series, which was the Foundation of the Federation kind of stuff And then Riker goes "actually no lmao who wants to see that poo poo" and turns off the holodeck.
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Oct 31, 2020 21:48
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The DS9 theme is like a hot cup of joe on a cold winter morning.
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Oct 31, 2020 21:51
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DS9 theme is great. I prefer the more upbeat version to be honest.
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Oct 31, 2020 21:53
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Tunicate posted:Uh yeah it's a nuclear reactor, they need a control rod Niiiiicceeeee.
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Oct 31, 2020 22:06
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I remember seeing a list of story concepts under consideration for the fifth season of Enterprise and not being impressed.
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Oct 31, 2020 22:24
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They could literally recycle Voyager scripts for the whole season so long as Shran joined the bridge crew full time.
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Oct 31, 2020 22:25
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This is like how Ren & Stimpy used to hold on a single super-detailed frame, except beautiful instead of disgusting.
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Oct 31, 2020 22:26
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MikeJF posted:Here's today's 'weird anecdote that I just saw': To be fair to Probert, I get the impression he's like that for any project he's on, not just Trek. And honestly I really like that someone's trying to think about whether a design makes sense (within the context of the established setting, anyway), as opposed to John Eaves just loving bolting on torpedo tubes at random to up-gun the Enterprise for Nemesis. And that policy can't have been in place for that long; Probert got brought on for TNG and literally designed the Enterprise-D, as well as the Ferengi Marauder and the Romulan Warbird!
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Oct 31, 2020 22:29
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ruddiger posted:The DS9 theme is like a hot cup of joe on a cold winter morning. The DS9 theme is a little tweeting bird, chirping in a meadow. The DS9 theme is wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad. Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly? Your ears are green!
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Oct 31, 2020 22:54
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piratepilates posted:I will always like the DS9 intro+theme, and hate the infidels that do not. it improved when more ships were added. it's a trading hub. it needs ships.
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Oct 31, 2020 22:58
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:To be fair to Probert, I get the impression he's like that for any project he's on, not just Trek. And honestly I really like that someone's trying to think about whether a design makes sense (within the context of the established setting, anyway), as opposed to John Eaves just loving bolting on torpedo tubes at random to up-gun the Enterprise for Nemesis. I wouldn't want somebody like Probert taking over a production, but provided they can be managed correctly I would prefer someone who overthinks a design in pursuit of plausibility in some sense over "how many knives can I make this spaceship out of/Is this enough of a callback to something else without understanding what made the original design work?/my graphics card melted while trying to render the specular bloom of all the blue LEDs I added"
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Oct 31, 2020 23:07
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:And that policy can't have been in place for that long; Probert got brought on for TNG and literally designed the Enterprise-D, as well as the Ferengi Marauder and the Romulan Warbird! Yeah Probert was already established as a major player of trek design by then and pulled in by Rodenberry at the start of TNG, so he kinda got grandfathered in. But preestablished people aside there was basically a hardcore no-trekkies policy for most of the later TOS movies and most of TNG.
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Oct 31, 2020 23:09
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Brute Squad posted:it improved when more ships were added. it's a trading hub. it needs ships.
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Nov 1, 2020 00:17
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MikeJF posted:Here's today's 'weird anecdote that I just saw': Compare and contrast to Doctor Who where hardcore fans basically took over the franchise and made it more popular and mainstream than ever. Star Trek has always got that wrong, which is a shame.
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Nov 1, 2020 00:24
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I'll take a Deep Space Nine over a Lower Decks thank you
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Nov 1, 2020 00:31
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MikeJF posted:Yeah Probert was already established as a major player of trek design by then and pulled in by Rodenberry at the start of TNG, so he kinda got grandfathered in. But preestablished people aside there was basically a hardcore no-trekkies policy for most of the later TOS movies and most of TNG. There are a few people who I've spoken with off the record Mike Okuda is a big one who have said that Probert was a giant pain in the rear end to deal with on TNG. Sternbach has also had some less than fond words for him. But there's no denying that his design work was above reproach and I loving hate that ILM and later John Eaves became the god kings of Trek ship design.
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Nov 1, 2020 00:42
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Astroman posted:Compare and contrast to Doctor Who where hardcore fans basically took over the franchise and made it more popular and mainstream than ever. Star Trek has always got that wrong, which is a shame. Given the current state of Doctor Who and of Star Trek, I'd be hard pressed to say one approach is better than the other. Non-fans who don't get it vs. fans who don't get it, doesn't seem to be much of a distinction, to me.
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Nov 1, 2020 01:01
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Is Probert the one who did the NX-01 refit idea
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Nov 1, 2020 01:08
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I think that was Doug Drexler
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Nov 1, 2020 01:27
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Give me a DS9 but with Ivanova, she is Dax's girlfriend, and Garibaldi
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Nov 1, 2020 01:39
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Happy Ghost Grandma Halloween! https://twitter.com/NoContextTrek/status/1322701461571227648?s=20
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Nov 1, 2020 02:12
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ruddiger posted:The DS9 theme is like a hot cup of joe on a cold winter morning. You only like it because you've built a chemical dependency. John Wick of Dogs posted:Give me a DS9 but with Ivanova, she is Dax's girlfriend, and Garibaldi Every week the toughest alien in the episode drops by to kick Garibaldi in the nuts.
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Nov 1, 2020 02:31
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Timby posted:Enterprise's fourth season spends entirely too much time crawling up its rear end with continuity porn. It's mostly painful and only feels like a breath of fresh air because it doesn't have the stench of Berman and Braga all over it. A little, but Enterprise is like the one ST show where continuity porn is pretty justified. If you're gonna do a prequel, do a prequel.
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Nov 1, 2020 03:05
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nine-gear crow posted:Watching them set themselves on fire over Enterprise 20 years ago was hilarious, and it's STILL loving hilarious today. Also Jesus Christ, next year it's gonna be 20 years since Enterprise premiered wait what? how?
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Astroman posted:Compare and contrast to Doctor Who where hardcore fans basically took over the franchise and made it more popular and mainstream than ever. Star Trek has always got that wrong, which is a shame. On the other hand, Doctor Who continues to be Doctor Who, and thus garbage.
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