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Thom12255 posted:$200 isn't even a lot for this kind of thing lol British politicians are notoriously cheap.
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Ardennes posted:So what are the chances the UK actually gets a left-wing party? It depends on what happens with Corbyn. Right now I'd assume no because the respected old Labour left MPs have a real emotional attachment to Labour that I don't think is shared by younger ones, but there's huge respect for their elders so they don't do anything without McDonnell Abbott et al. If they undo the suspension then nothing is happening but the fragmentation of the left within Labour as a lot drift away in frustration and the Labour left's ineffectiveness. If they don't then the chances increase but probably only to 25%
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Ardennes posted:So what are the chances the UK actually gets a left-wing party? In the 19 election, the Tories had spent all year bungling Brexit on every possible level. Boris literally ran and hid from journalists in the weeks leading up to the election, once going into a fridge to cower while he was being recorded. The Labour leader was Jeremy Corbyn, a genuine leftist and actual human being. Boris Johnson won by an overwhelming margin. Maybe some Labour breakaways will form a proper leftist party, but the english are never going to vote for them.
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the people voted for pain
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i say swears online posted:the people voted for pain
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Ardennes posted:So what are the chances the UK actually gets a left-wing party? The genuine chance at getting a left wing party in power was decimated in the 19 election. The only way Labour can win is by becoming Tory lite. Just like Blair did to the party in 1997. Corbyn baggage has damaged their cause for a few cycles.
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DGC773 posted:The genuine chance at getting a left wing party in power was decimated in the 19 election. The only way Labour can win is by becoming Tory lite. Just like Blair did to the party in 1997. Corbyn baggage has damaged their cause for a few cycles. the tories are forced to govern using corbyn-lite policies, you'd be an actual insane person and/or labour peer if your takeaway from 19 isnt "holy poo poo there's a base for the left if they try something more likely to work than "lets be nice please""
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the political landscape is gonna be pretty different on jan 1 i think
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It'd take some massive organizing against centuries-old political parties that are firmly entrenched in every institution in the country. It's possible but it requires way more of people, who would have to sacrifice a lot more than their free time and posting hours.
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DGC773 posted:The genuine chance at getting a left wing party in power was decimated in the 19 election. The only way Labour can win is by becoming Tory lite. Just like Blair did to the party in 1997. Corbyn baggage has damaged their cause for a few cycles. Weird that that only worked for Blair, but no one before or after him.
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I thought the lesson of the '19 election was that there are people willing to break ranks to vote for Brexit, but not people willing to break ranks to vote against Brexit.
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The lesson of '19 was that everything is anti-semitic except skills wallets.
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Ardennes posted:So what are the chances the UK actually gets a left-wing party? None. Government and all media are corrupted by the insanely wealthy psychopaths who will never accept a single down tick in profits.
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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/nov/01/jewish-labour-supporters-this-antisemitism-thing-just-doesnt-seem-to-be-going-away Labour is done. They're right. It's not going to go away. Or Starmer has valiantly pulled Labour ahead of the Conservatives despite Corbyn's schemes.
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Nonsense posted:https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/nov/01/jewish-labour-supporters-this-antisemitism-thing-just-doesnt-seem-to-be-going-away interesting quote:“I follow politics pretty closely and was familiar with his schtick: I was never a fan, but as long as he was an unimportant backbencher I didn’t waste energy on him and voted on national lines.
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lol the antisemitism thing is gonna become the perennial club to bash in the skull any nascent left ideas or even anything more left than von hayek
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mortons stork posted:lol the antisemitism thing is gonna become the perennial club to bash in the skull any nascent left ideas or even anything more left than von hayek Your hacks have invented their Mondale. They'll keep bringing it up after 50 more years of conservative rules. Well, hopefully the island sinks into the sea before that.
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That's true, there's no way another person called Sue Mitchell got on Twitter before July 2018
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Jarf posted:None. Government and all media are corrupted by the insanely wealthy psychopaths who will never accept a single down tick in profits. It’s not up to them. If the MP’s wanted they could split whenever they want. Either they don’t have the will or they don’t think the time is right. Labour is done though, that’s correct. And yeah any new leftist party is gonna get attacked hard but they can’t actually stop the creation of one.
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Heavy_D posted:er, isn't that obviously a fake account in the screenshots - there's a 1 in the name instead of an i her @ is in here https://www.tvguidetime.com/actress/sue-mitchell-height-age-husband-biography-wiki-net-worth-17396.html
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Heavy_D posted:er, isn't that obviously a fake account in the screenshots - there's a 1 in the name instead of an i The fact she deleted the tweet as soon as people picked up on it suggests not.
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Jarf posted:None. Government and all media are corrupted by the insanely wealthy psychopaths who will never accept a single down tick in profits. this is true but the UK is so drat incompetent and unstable that anything could happen however its about a thousand times more likely that some kind of Fascist Football Lads party takes over than a left one currently and if the left did get into power the whole civil service and state apparatus would have a massive immune response, whereas fascism wouldnt really require any changes but its not hopeful since as discussed, the people were offered two crappy leaders but one offering you nice things and one telling you your children would be dying on the floors of hospitals they voted for pain overwhelmingly
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just checking in to refresh my britpolitics, been too focused on the trump thread and ah good good everything's still stupid here too carry on lads
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serious question is the UK full of "keep calm and [x]" shirts like the US is
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i stopped following uk politics because it's too depressing lol. extremely grim poo poo
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the american remake makes things too cheery and silly, its meant to be a black comedy damnit
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i say swears online posted:serious question is the UK full of "keep calm and [x]" shirts like the US is They were popular in the Cameron years when liberals could do a twee feelgood patriotism, but things of that nature died with Brexit
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i say swears online posted:serious question is the UK full of "keep calm and [x]" shirts like the US is Where do you think it came from? The entire island is one gigantic Keep Calm shirt
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perc2 posted:Where do you think it came from? The entire island is one gigantic Keep Calm shirt i didn't even know this was that big in the US, only here
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Found this on the Wikipedia page, a billboard in DC. The slogan has definitely lost its popularity here but you can't knock it for being the perfect encapsulation of meek British servility: head down, don't challenge, keep moving citizen. I don't know how well your average American would respond to that kind of thing?
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Communist Thoughts posted:the american remake makes things too cheery and silly, its meant to be a black comedy damnit not a bad analogy
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Maya Fey posted:i stopped following uk politics because it's too depressing lol. extremely grim poo poo
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perc2 posted:Found this on the Wikipedia page, a billboard in DC. The slogan has definitely lost its popularity here but you can't knock it for being the perfect encapsulation of meek British servility: head down, don't challenge, keep moving citizen. I don't know how well your average American would respond to that kind of thing? it definitely doesn't have that connotation here, almost a fun nonsense adaptable slogan that people who wore gangster looney tunes shirts in the 90s are wearing now
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Communist Thoughts posted:but its not hopeful since as discussed, the people were offered two crappy leaders but one offering you nice things and one telling you your children would be dying on the floors of hospitals If the electorate is the one in the wrong, there’s not much fixing to do in a democracy. Prepare the nerve staples.
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https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1322886257215709185 its really cool how keith contravened directly what the ehrc told labour to do wrt suspensions, lol we had to do political interference, to save the labour party from political interference, something something, difficult decisions, something something, electability etc
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Because you all chased him from one thread I read (this one) to another I read (UKMT) I feel the need to make you read the cretinous shite that therattle is postingtherattle posted:My main issue with him is how long it took him to realise that there was a problem in the party. Sure, he condemned AS, but it was usually accompanied by a minimisation of the problem, and with the formulation "and all other forms of racism". To a Jew that is a bit like "All Lives Matter".
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Take him back you cunts.
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