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FBI and the cops have known that white supremacists are the biggest terror threat for years. They prefer to spend more resources attacking anti-war grannies, leftist book clubs, environmentalists, and animal rights activists for a reason. It's a deliberate choice, not an oversight. A huge part of their historical mission has been eradicating communists and civil rights activists. In some ways the FBI have a more professional culture than the police but they are both ruthlessly partisan and firmly allied with the right. They will occasionally arrest some Atom Waffen level nuts in the late planning stages of a mass casualty event but the vast majority of right wing extremists have always gone untouched by choice. No external force such as Trump has been holding the authorities back from prosecuting right wing terrorists in proportion to the level of danger they present. This is just who they have always been as institutions down to the very core. https://theintercept.com/2019/10/22/terrorism-fbi-political-dissent/ strange feelings re Daisy fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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I wish it was surprising that someone thinks the FBI will save us. Like knowing what we know about the FBI, what the gently caress makes you think that's gonna happen?
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I have more faith 8n the political process, and if we have the house, the Senate, and the presidency I doubt they are going to want to just sit around and allow domestic terrorists to murder people all day long. I also don't think the FBI would identify white supremacists as the #1 domestic threat if they didn't care at all about them. In any event what I am arguing against is vigilantism and retributive violence. If you think the system is going to remain so broken that it just won't function then I guess I can see why you would think that's OK, but that type of thing doesn't ever improve things; it just makes everything worse.
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Lmao OPB and Propublica just put up a really long article about Reinoehl and Danielson. Super sympathetic to Danielson and kind of mean to Reinoehl. Light on any talk about the actual shooting, more just biographic in nature. I like that OPB decided to humanize the chud https://www.opb.org/article/2020/11/02/when-the-political-divide-turned-deadly-in-portland/ quote:A kid named Sun Hawk quote:Danielson spoiled his two dogs — a Chihuahua named Pancake and a miniature pinscher named Journey — and even took them with him on moving jobs, the former girlfriend said. When Danielson died, she adopted his dogs. quote:Reinoehl’s sister, who received death threats after he shot Danielson, agreed to speak on the condition she not be named.
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therobit posted:I have more faith 8n the political process, and if we have the house, the Senate, and the presidency I doubt they are going to want to just sit around and allow domestic terrorists to murder people all day long. I also don't think the FBI would identify white supremacists as the #1 domestic threat if they didn't care at all about them. We have three whole months of the current state of political violence before this fantasy of Good Feds could even occur. You'll be long gone by then, so your scolding about how Pro-Informant you are against anyone outside of your decorum weirdo bounds doesn't matter.
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therobit posted:I have more faith 8n the political process, and if we have the house, the Senate, and the presidency I doubt they are going to want to just sit around and allow domestic terrorists to murder people all day long. I also don't think the FBI would identify white supremacists as the #1 domestic threat if they didn't care at all about them. Dafuq is this "we" poo poo? Huge chunks of, if not most of, the Democratic Party manifestly does not give a drat about what happens to the working class (which the racism is being used to divide). The money behind their campaigns certainly doesn't care - or is actively benefitting from their labor being deprived of political power! Corbeau fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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Gerund posted:We have three whole months of the current state of political violence before this fantasy of Good Feds could even occur. You'll be long gone by then, so your scolding about how Pro-Informant you are against anyone outside of your decorum weirdo bounds doesn't matter. I'm not going anywhere unless Trump is re-elected or succeeds in squatting in the white house or starting a civil war. But yeah if war breaks out here or Trump becomes a dictator for life I'm taking my kids the gently caress up out of here if at all possible.
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If you're concerned about people doing violence ahead of when violence is called for (which is important), I recommend giving them good alternatives. People resort to violence when they're out of better ideas.
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therobit posted:I'm not going anywhere unless Trump is re-elected or succeeds in squatting in the white house or starting a civil war. But yeah if war breaks out here or Trump becomes a dictator for life I'm taking my kids the gently caress up out of here if at all possible. If it gets there, who's going to accept Americans?
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therobit posted:I'm not going anywhere unless Trump is re-elected or succeeds in squatting in the white house or starting a civil war. But yeah if war breaks out here or Trump becomes a dictator for life I'm taking my kids the gently caress up out of here if at all possible. Ok byeeeeeeeeee.
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porkface posted:If it gets there, who's going to accept Americans? therobit is planning on hoofing it to liberia
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You're a disingenuous little shithead. I would agree with drat near anything else you want to do besides engaging in preemptive or retributive violence. Use the loving legal process. Arm yourselves for protection. Educate people about risks. Lobby elected leaders. The only thing I'm objecting to is this notion that it's justified to engage in vigilantism. Your problem seems to be that you can't get along with anyone who doesn't screech loudly enough about how they are totally gonna murder them some nazis. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Wait are you planning to take up arms with the millitia or flee the country with your kids in the event of 'war' breaking out. You've said both now.
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No, our problem is that you insist we only practice resistance that is authorized by our oppressors.
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Quote day day saying we should go shoot them first you budass mouthbreather. Good to see your ability to talk past people and ignore real life in favor of your imaginary world extends to this topic as well.
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therobit posted:You're a disingenuous little shithead. I would agree with drat near anything else you want to do besides engaging in preemptive or retributive violence. Use the loving legal process. Arm yourselves for protection. Educate people about risks. Lobby elected leaders. The only thing I'm objecting to is this notion that it's justified to engage in vigilantism. Why don't you take a break from this thread if the thought of currently non-existent preemptive leftist violence is leading you to posts like this? e: Here you go, the first 6 hours are on me, up to you if you decide you want to come back with better organized thoughts.
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My favorite thing about DnD for the entire like 16 years I've been reading it is people indignantly doubling down on a disagreement over strategy by taking a position like 'US leftists shouldn't start murdering right wingers in their beds' and pretend that everyone who disagrees with them more broadly is saying thay they actually should do that.
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therobit posted:You're a disingenuous little shithead. I would agree with drat near anything else you want to do besides engaging in preemptive or retributive violence. Use the loving legal process. Arm yourselves for protection. Educate people about risks. Lobby elected leaders. The only thing I'm objecting to is this notion that it's justified to engage in vigilantism. The only people who feel safer making a cannonball run for the border over being organized within their communities are the people who actively despise their communities and are just waiting for the moment to "use the legal process" to snitch on them to the Good Feds. Your personal distinction between acceptable and unacceptible self defense against the political violence and extrajudicial murder currently occurring and a feature of our lives for the next three months will never ever matter, because you have made it clear that you are bailing on the country and will never serve on any jury after the fact.
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therobit posted:You're a disingenuous little shithead. I would agree with drat near anything else you want to do besides engaging in preemptive or retributive violence. Use the loving legal process. Arm yourselves for protection. Educate people about risks. Lobby elected leaders. The only thing I'm objecting to is this notion that it's justified to engage in vigilantism. Chuds drove down a residential street in Portland yesterday and fired 9mm into random houses. Tell me again about how leftist community defense orgs are a problem.
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Everyone should be like me. Find the guy with the most trump poo poo on the block and leave him a nice little note letting him know he can borrow your trash can for a couple weeks after election if he needs a place for all the trump flags.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Everyone should be like me. Find the guy with the most trump poo poo on the block and leave him a nice little note letting him know he can borrow your trash can for a couple weeks after election if he needs a place for all the trump flags. ahem https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1322594733894569984?s=20
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Everyone should be like me. Find the guy with the most trump poo poo on the block and leave him a nice little note letting him know he can borrow your trash can for a couple weeks after election if he needs a place for all the trump flags. lol
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while we're still discussing "preemptive left violence" it seems like more footage has been released from the danielson/reinohl incident downtown and, suprise surprise, it appears danielson was running toward pappas confronting reinohl and started preemptively macing reinohl. i am by no means a reinohl defender but i do wonder how this would have played out for him had he not been armed https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/status/1323345936609734657?s=20
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:while we're still discussing "preemptive left violence" it seems like more footage has been released from the danielson/reinohl incident downtown and, suprise surprise, it appears danielson was running toward pappas confronting reinohl and started preemptively macing reinohl. i am by no means a reinohl defender but i do wonder how this would have played out for him had he not been armed https://twitter.com/Johnnthelefty/status/1323345936609734657?s=20 Why wouldn't you be a defender of Reinhol? He said it happened like this and the video footage all backed it up, this footage doesn't show him doing anything but being targeted, like he said he was.
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I'm not a defender of Reinohl's actions/tactics nor am I a critic of them. The entire conflict was far too complicated to make a sweeping general judgement. I simply don't know enough about the facts of the situation and, ultimately, will never be able to understand the motivating factors that lead to danielson bleeding out on the sidewalk. there are plenty of other aspects of the entire saga that are clearly abhorrent beyond belief but the inciting incident and the surrounding media circus seemed to have wanted to focus more on ANTIFA GUNS DOWN FREEDOM LOVER IN THE STREETS OF PORTLAND than PRESIDENT APPROVES AND SUPPORTS EXTRAJUDICIAL EXECUTION
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:PRESIDENT APPROVES AND SUPPORTS EXTRAJUDICIAL EXECUTION This part is actual both a) very clearly real and true and b) super loving bad for the future, separate from the circumstances of this one incident. It's another step forward in a long continuum of presidents of both parties getting more and more comfortable with and providing more and more public justification for the murder of Americans without trial by security services under dubious circumstances and dispensing with the notion of due process.
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The Oldest Man posted:This part is actual both a) very clearly real and true and b) super loving bad for the future, separate from the circumstances of this one incident. It's another step forward in a long continuum of presidents of both parties getting more and more comfortable with and providing more and more public justification for the murder of Americans without trial by security services under dubious circumstances and dispensing with the notion of due process. This. There is no police reform coming from anyone that is going to solve this.
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Well, still early but at least Warshington seems to be going the way it should (lol Culp, sex-Ed, reykdall, etc)
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Unless I'm misreading the results, it looks like Thurston County is getting two new commissioners, so that's good.
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FacebookEmpathyMom posted:Are we really re-electing teddy? it's beginning to look like i jinxed us with this post a few days back IM DAY DAY IRL posted:if wheeler wins and mapps beats eudaly it's either going to be four years of teargas and pro-business pro-developer free-for-all or we force them to step down.
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portland local measures- going pretty well! portland local races- wow i loving hate liberals!
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:portland local measures- going pretty well! This. Everything that was good, besides the transit bill, passed. But loving gently caress Ted Wheeler! 
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:portland local measures- going pretty well!  Pretty stoked about preschool and psilocybin though. Not at the same time, of course. Ha ha.... unless....? 😳
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punk rebel ecks posted:This. If it makes you feel better he's not going to get the majority of the votes.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:If it makes you feel better he's not going to get the majority of the votes. sorry, i used up all my moral victory dopamine in the primaries
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