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Tarnop posted:It's true that they bent them to their favour. It's not true that they follow them. They overwhelmingly do though.
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Private Speech posted:Here's the buried lede in what Jaeluni posted, for tl;dr purposes: listen affluenza is a serious disease. treating it requires a sense of decency and respect, since the only cure is 
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Frekkie Melody posted:They overwhelmingly do though. Big companies are getting fined left right and centre for breaking rules. I mean its a slap on the wrist but the examples are numerous. They break the rules a lot.
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Nov 2, 2020 22:08
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Frekkie Melody posted:They overwhelmingly do though. I must be really unlucky then, because I've yet to work for a company that hasn't broken the law.
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Nov 2, 2020 22:09
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Union branch caseloads would suggest they absolutely do break the law constantly.
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Nov 2, 2020 22:11
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Lungboy posted:Union branch caseloads would suggest they absolutely do break the law constantly. Can confirm, I work for a union.
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Sorry to distract, but is the USA election tonight as in when I get up tomorrow I'll have some idea of how much of a failed state it is? Or is that the next day?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sorry to distract, but is the USA election tonight as in when I get up tomorrow I'll have some idea of how much of a failed state it is? Or is that the next day? Tuesday night into Wednesday, I think.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sorry to distract, but is the USA election tonight as in when I get up tomorrow I'll have some idea of how much of a failed state it is? Or is that the next day? Next day
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Sorry to distract, but is the USA election tonight as in when I get up tomorrow I'll have some idea of how much of a failed state it is? Or is that the next day? Next day
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Gf & I are thinking of staying up for at least a few hours of the results, where do the cool goons hang out if we want some non-lib analysis? Guessing the US threads are a bit crowded
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Borrovan posted:Gf & I are thinking of staying up for at least a few hours of the results, where do the cool goons hang out if we want some non-lib analysis? Guessing the US threads are a bit crowded they are but they're pretty actively good about punishing hot lib takes in both the 2020 gen elec thread and the uspol threads. don't expect much of a call before 10 or 11 eastern at the earliest.
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Borrovan posted:Gf & I are thinking of staying up for at least a few hours of the results, where do the cool goons hang out if we want some non-lib analysis? Guessing the US threads are a bit crowded I am thinking of not staying and waking up at 5am to watch live wrestling from Japan because at least that will give me a sense of joy and pleasure. The best US election will manage is a mild sense of relief before remembering Joe's brain is mush and everyone around him well br neoliberal hawks desperate to restore American hegemony in places like Latin America. At least DDT Ultimate Party will feature an inevitably silly and amusing match between MMA legend Shinya Aoki and company president Sanshiro Takagi in a weapons rumble, on top of legit top tier wrestlers like Jun Akiyama and Konosuke Takeshita and Tetsuya Endo and Daisuke Sasaki. This'll be the first Presidential election I've not stayed up to watch at least part of since 2000
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Nov 2, 2020 22:38
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I wouldn't normally stay up for a US Election, but since my wife is in hospital for the next few days, I may need this to take my mind off it.
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mediaphage posted:they are but they're pretty actively good about punishing hot lib takes in both the 2020 gen elec thread and the uspol threads. don't expect much of a call before 10 or 11 eastern at the earliest. If it's anything other than a total landslide I can see it dragging out like 2000. I can't see Trump being a gracious loser and the Republicans have been laying the groundwork for a contested result for months.
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I've never watched one before & am not in the least invested, just seems like a thing to do during lockdown & also an excuse to eat hot dogs & drink bourbon & show up to jury service still drunk to drown out the horror. Cheers 'phage (username/post btw), will give them a look-in 
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I think even with a landslide its going to drag on. It seems like a lot of people are riled up.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/AJScattergood/status/1323348563686993924 The optics of revoking rule of law at home but not abroad are... Interesting E I guess also now kiers krew know from the numbers that it will go through even if they vote against which they couldn't be sure of before
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There's a fairly plausible chance we wont have the us election results before late november/early december.
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It'll be a draw like in Veep and we can enjoy another four months of it.
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TheRat posted:Sir Keith is at it again. Wasn't nationalised broadband just about as popular a policy as it could possibly be? Random Integer posted:From what I remember it was simultaneously popular and also considered completely unfeasible and therefore a sign that Labour weren't fit to govern. I agree with Random Integers second point, but I see "labour's policy X was actually super popular" repeated a lot here, and it doesn't ring true, especially on this. I really think a lot of lefties, and UKMT in particular, have a bad habit of clinging to the odd poll that asks things like "would you like X?" as solid evidence that Y policy is actually incredibly popular and total vote winner. I did a lot of campaigning at the election (in and near Glasgow, for reference) and I have to say that I didn't meet anyone who thought it sounded like a good idea, outside of left wing labour voters. The most common objections to "free broadband" (which is how it was universally referred to) was just an obvious electoral bribe that was basically pointless "because broadband is only £15 a month anyway." It really tied into a lot of people's long standing perceptions of labour "giving sky TV to benefit cheats" as well as being something that self-identifying "sensible" people latched onto as a clear example of a specifically corbynist silly/unrealistic/extreme/stupid/not-sensible economic policy. It's a really good example of a decent policy being communicated pretty poorly and without much clear planning or responses to account for it easily feeding into pre-exisiting negative stereotypes as well as election specific narratives ("Labour's manifesto is just a hodge podge of giveaways").
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Lobster God posted:If it's anything other than a total landslide I can see it dragging out like 2000. I can't see Trump being a gracious loser and the Republicans have been laying the groundwork for a contested result for months. i expect if not a landslide, then an overwhelming result that leaves little room for doubt. not because i feel overconfident like in 2016 but because the same signs that pointed to trouble for clinton in 2016 are very seriously pointing to huge, huge trouble for trump. of course he'll do what he can to cast doubt on the result but even with the large mail-in vote this year i expect an early result because some of the key battleground states like NC and FL have already been counting their mail-in ballots, and will be able to give a result that night.
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Lobster God posted:If it's anything other than a total landslide I can see it dragging out like 2000. I can't see Trump being a gracious loser and the Republicans have been laying the groundwork for a contested result for months. on the plus side, it's really looking like it might be a landslide i r in texas and my state's a tossup, lol that's still like a 930ish est call at earliest, mind, barring a blowout in Texas, they're going to want to wait until mountain results are nontrivially in
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Anyone else getting the vibe that the tories are expecting a serious backbench rebellion on lockdown? The Beeb is laying it on really thick. Leading imbecile Steve Baker got the personal treatment at Downing Street yesterday. There's been regular updates on financial support measures over the past day or so, like there's some furious back-room bargaining going on. The bill is going to pass because it'll get labour support, but a serious rebellion makes the tories look like a party that wants mass graves. They've barely got over being the party that wants to starve children.
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There's definitely bargaining and pressuring going on, the expected number of rebels has supposedly been pushed down from 40+ to 15 or something
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josh04 posted:Feel like there's no scenario where "anti-lockdown party" is a strong suit by next May, but maybe I lack Farage's frog instincts. Farage is probably the smartest political operator in the UK, context the Brexit Party isn't really a political party it was modelled on the Italian Five Star model but didn't even pretend at the direct democracy stuff, the Brexit Party is functionally a Patreon for Farage to get money, sell gold and maintain a public profile. It's going to be a constantly shifting chimera thing for whatever the dumb latest culture war thing is, I honestly half-expected a redirection when Farage was calling BLM ISIS because both groups take issues with statues, but yeah it'll be Masks then probably race-to-the-bottom deregulation stuff then dismantling the welfare state then anti-climate refugee poo poo, whatever futurist stuff you think is most likely, Farage isn't selling policies he's selling a brand identity and he's set on making it a subscription service.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Big companies are getting fined left right and centre for breaking rules. I mean its a slap on the wrist but the examples are numerous. They break the rules a lot. The fines are immaterially small, so they do what they want and dgaf.
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Went to Tesco this evening because it's quieter (especially the bus) & boy do I regret that. Someone threw a cake at the bus on the way back & we had nearly 30 minutes of hanging around on a bus with the engine turned off & the door wide open while they got a replacement out at 10:30pm. In 5 degree weather. At least it wasn't windy. In short, the wee scrotes that threw a cake at a bus & caused a minute fracture in the front windscreen can do one.
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forkboy84 posted:Went to Tesco this evening because it's quieter (especially the bus) & boy do I regret that. Someone threw a cake at the bus on the way back & we had nearly 30 minutes of hanging around on a bus with the engine turned off & the door wide open while they got a replacement out at 10:30pm. In 5 degree weather. At least it wasn't windy. A cake fractured a windscreen? Sounds like there was something in the cake! (Or is 'cake' code for something else?)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:A cake fractured a windscreen? Sounds like there was something in the cake! (Or is 'cake' code for something else?) A girl cried her own pelvis bone out, it's a fookin disgrace
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:A cake fractured a windscreen? Sounds like there was something in the cake! (Or is 'cake' code for something else?)  E:f,b
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John rent-a-ghoul Not putting anything past Starmer but it would be wild if just objectively pointing out relative press coverage vs material hardship of the plight of UK Jewish people and UK disabled people was literally made bannable within the party. Like future scholars have to just Cancel the wayback machine so Jessica Phillips Jr can continue pursuing party unity.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:A cake fractured a windscreen? You're not familiar with Scottish cuisine are you? 
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Endjinneer posted:Anyone else getting the vibe that the tories are expecting a serious backbench rebellion on lockdown? It's clearly going to pass, but I was wondering what would actually happen if it didn't.
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Windscreens are layers of glass and plastic, so don't shatter, but aren't toughened so can chip easily. If that chip is right in front of the driver they probably can't continue because of the legal ramifications of hitting someone with a vehicle with (arguably) compromised vision. Toughened glass doesn't chip easily, but instead it catestrophically destructs due to the stresses in the glass being released. Which is why you don't get toughened windscreens, the first bit of gravel would make it blow, which would turn a minor incident into a major one if you are on a motorway for example. Funfact - it took years of campaigning to force these laminated windscreens into cars, and before that drivers were routinely decapitated in rtc's that we would consider trivial, because without a seatbelt you would fly through the window, your skull would break the glass but your shoulders wouldn't and your momentum would mean your body rode into the cut
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CancerCakes posted:Windscreens are layers of glass and plastic, so don't shatter, but aren't toughened so can chip easily. If that chip is right in front of the driver they probably can't continue because of the legal ramifications of hitting someone with a vehicle with (arguably) compromised vision. I always did wonder why windscreens were the way they were. Neat!
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InspectorCarbonara posted:Out of curiosity has there ever been a situation where a prime minister has announced a major policy to the public on television, but then it got voted down in parliament so it didn't end up happening? I think Cameron announced we'd be putting boots on the ground in Syria before Based Ed noped him on it.
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A schoolmate's boyfriend - 1975 - ended up with his mother's head in his lap after a RTA (before laminated windscreens were compulsory). IIRC he committed suicide a couple of years later. (Ed: don't ask me how her head got to the passenger seat from going through the windscreen). crispix posted:You're not familiar with Scottish cuisine are you? So, like dwarf bread then? Vitamin P posted:John rent-a-ghoul During a debate on Anti-semitism a couple of years ago at one of our CLP all member meetings, someone raised the spectre of The Lobby and he was told his remark was not helpful by Someone else. Later on, Someone came up to him and said "Be careful, Blogg's - Blogg being a CLP member - wife's name is "Jessica"" and we're like "and?" (apparently we were supposed to guess that his wife was Jewish from this comment.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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