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I don't know what prestige television means to each individual but I do know that I can't stand any TV show or movie that acts like it's got something to say, like it's got some relevant themes to bring forward or some reason why you should think about the story, and then utterly shits the bed in its execution to such an extent that they have to retool the whole loving program every season.
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Powered Descent posted:And here's the good old graph to show how impossible that would be. I like how this graph holds out the possibility that Voyager was proposed after it began airing.
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Nov 2, 2020 23:48
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somebody re-made the graph with a bunch of math nerd poo poo, but still managed to spell "Nielsen" wrong.
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how dare you insult Doctor Who, it can't possibly be Prestige TV because it's such a bad show wait what? Moffat is a terrible showrunner.
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Nov 3, 2020 00:14
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Big Mean Jerk posted:
Doesn't "prestige TV" mean everything being very serialized so every episode follows immediately from the last? Whereas new Doctor Who is much more episodic than the original show, which is why a lot of episodes have a real rushed feeling. They try to fit in all the exposition and action into 1 episode that would've been spread across like 3. It's gone the opposite direction from all the shows that have gone for long-term narratives over the old one-off episodes.
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Nov 3, 2020 00:20
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Powered Descent posted:And here's the good old graph to show how impossible that would be. Longtail.jaypeg
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Nov 3, 2020 00:46
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thotsky posted:how dare you insult Doctor Who, it can't possibly be Prestige TV because it's such a bad show A critcism can be off even if you think the thing is bad. Thinking Nu Who was trying to be like Breaking Bad is insane.
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Nov 3, 2020 00:50
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Yeah I’m not a Who fan but for all the criticsms I’ve heard, it would seem Who does know what it is
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Nov 3, 2020 01:04
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Can I lightly spam? I made a Lower Decks design and stuck it up on Redbubble. I really like this preview pic because it looks like he believes it too. 
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Nov 3, 2020 01:05
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Powered Descent posted:e: Those are some terrible curves of best fit
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Nov 3, 2020 01:37
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wolf was inside 359 an job definitely a good sticker though, may need one for work
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Nov 3, 2020 03:56
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HD DAD posted:I maintain Capaldi’s last season struck the right balance of weirdo science fiction and silly whimsy that good Doctor Who is famous for. I think the problem with it, at least as I saw it, was that Doctor Who (as a show) shouldn't be "taking itself" at all. It's best when it's goofy and weird and totally unselfconscious about it, but that's something the new show can never do, it's just always up its own butt about not only seriously celebrating the Doctor, but with everything besides him, practically winking through the fourth wall about itself. In that sense it's both taking itself too seriously and not enough. The show should be about the adventures and not about the Doctor as a character SlothfulCobra posted:Doesn't "prestige TV" mean everything being very serialized so every episode follows immediately from the last? This was a huge strength of the old show, even though it was abused at times. 3-5 half-hour episodes was probably the sweet spot for each serial, and that format made it unique in my experience.
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Nov 3, 2020 03:59
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Lorca was the best captain and the show did him dirty
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Nov 3, 2020 09:06
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Prestige TV is when the show is about at least two magicians.
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Nov 3, 2020 09:12
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mythicknight posted:wolf was inside 359 an job Thanks! Please do, I could use the money!
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Nov 3, 2020 09:23
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HD DAD posted:I maintain Capaldi’s last season struck the right balance of weirdo science fiction and silly whimsy that good Doctor Who is famous for. Capaldi's entire run is generally better than everyone else's run, save Eccleston's.
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Nov 3, 2020 11:00
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Lol "The Collaborator" was really the worst episode to watch right before election day "O'brien Must Suffer Vol. 2" where he's tortured and nearly hopeless before a Cardassian court felt positively chipper by comparison.
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Nov 3, 2020 16:23
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What episode is this from?
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Nov 3, 2020 16:42
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galenanorth posted:What episode is this from? Probably the season 2 opening 3 parter that had the guy from Wings working for Frank Langella
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Nov 3, 2020 17:03
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HD DAD posted:I maintain Capaldi’s last season struck the right balance of weirdo science fiction and silly whimsy that good Doctor Who is famous for. Capaldi really can bring that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTlT8-qYUk 
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Nov 3, 2020 17:21
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Another RLM TNG video is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAlnLnxeIOI Episodes: - Timescape (Mike) - All Good Things (Rich) - Conundrum (Mike) - Yesterday's Enterprise (Rich) - Future Imperfect (Mike) Mike apparently hates Parallels 
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Nov 3, 2020 22:02
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How can you hate Parallels Future Imperfect is an OK episode but the ending is just kind of lame
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Nov 3, 2020 22:04
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If I got the gist of it, Mike doesn't like Parallels because it presented the Enterprise crew as being the same people in every single universe, just in different circumstances. No one was radically different (outside of Hyperborgriker), which made it feel to him like he wasn't watching a group of unique personalities.
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Nov 3, 2020 22:08
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FlamingLiberal posted:How can you hate Parallels For the life of me I don't know why they made the little kid be a weird 50s alien costume alien at the end. Why not just have him look human, or throw on a prosthetic or weird colour like you do for most alien species?!??
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Nov 3, 2020 22:12
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Mike is a "stakes" guy, and I can see how multiverse stuff diminishes that.
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Nov 3, 2020 22:17
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FlamingLiberal posted:How can you hate Parallels Mike is a land of weird contrasts. He hates old people and animal cruelty in equal measure.
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Nov 3, 2020 22:18
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piratepilates posted:For the life of me I don't know why they made the little kid be a weird 50s alien costume alien at the end. Why not just have him look human, or throw on a prosthetic or weird colour like you do for most alien species?!??
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Nov 3, 2020 23:30
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"TNG doesn't make aliens look alien enough!" "Look at that lame weird alien!" I felt that it made the end more touching. Riker formed a bond with the kid and the message they put out there is that it really doesn't matter that he looked nothing like Riker in the end, the bond was still there.
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Nov 3, 2020 23:39
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What’s the “Seven of Nine bullshit” they’re referring to while talking about Tasha Yar in the new RLM video?
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Nov 3, 2020 23:45
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Unmature posted:What’s the “Seven of Nine bullshit” they’re referring to while talking about Tasha Yar in the new RLM video? Seven was put on the show specifically to draw in new viewers with T&A. IIRC it was a network-mandated change.
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Nov 3, 2020 23:48
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bull3964 posted:"TNG doesn't make aliens look alien enough!" IMO, it's not that he looks alien, it's that he looks like he belongs on a blacklight poster holding a joint saying "take me to your dealer."
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Nov 4, 2020 00:03
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Lester Shy posted:IMO, it's not that he looks alien, it's that he looks like he belongs on a blacklight poster holding a joint saying "take me to your dealer." The strobe lights in the eyes really sell the “bought at Spencer’s” look
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Nov 4, 2020 00:04
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galenanorth posted:What episode is this from? no!!
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Nov 4, 2020 00:33
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Seven was put on the show specifically to draw in new viewers with T&A. IIRC it was a network-mandated change. Correct. Voyager had stumbled badly in the ratings and the UPN execs said two things: Use the Borg (because First Contact had become, at the time, the highest-grossing Trek movie) and amp up the sex appeal, hence Seven's awful catsuits. Jennifer Lien had also developed a substance abuse issue at that time, so it was relatively easy for her to be dismissed from her contract.
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Nov 4, 2020 00:55
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Then it turned out Jeri Ryan is really good and boy did the execs have egg on their face!! So they tried again with Jolene Blalock and whoops, she was also good. 
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Nov 4, 2020 01:01
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Grand Fromage posted:Then it turned out Jeri Ryan is really good and boy did the execs have egg on their face!! Huh. I have a very different opinion of those characters.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:10
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Grand Fromage posted:Then it turned out Jeri Ryan is really good and boy did the execs have egg on their face!! The issues with Enterprise are legion, but making lifelong Star Trek fan Jolene Blalock be a sexpot character for more than two years is by far one of its worst sins. Like, as a kid growing up in Chicago, I loved to play Star Trek with my friends; we used my sperm donor's office chair as the captain's chair and cardboard boxes we'd markered up for consoles. A sheet was used as the viewscreen. By all her accounts, that's basically the same thing Blalock did as a young'un, roleplaying as Spock. Imagine loving Star Trek your entire life and then getting told you'd been given a role on a show ... and then finding out they want you for T&A.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:11
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Timby posted:Correct. Voyager had stumbled badly in the ratings and the UPN execs said two things: Use the Borg (because First Contact had become, at the time, the highest-grossing Trek movie) and amp up the sex appeal, hence Seven's awful catsuits.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:12
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Marshal Radisic posted:Did Jennifer Lien's drug problems start during VOY or after? I've heard rumors that she acted "weird" at conventions while she was on the show, but as I said these are just rumors years after the fact. The 50th anniversary book barely talks about her, but then again it also glosses over how Garrett Wang got to stay on the show thanks to People magazine. As I understand it--and this is not me trying to air dirty laundry or anything like that, I'm a recovering alcoholic myself--Lien developed issues with alcohol and painkillers sometime during the second season because of weight loss pressure from execs, including Berman.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:14
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A.o.D. posted:Huh. I have a very different opinion of those characters. I accept the validity of people having their own opinions. I am pure sunshine. I think T'Pol was the best regular on Enterprise by a long shot (Shran would be my #2) and on Voyager, Seven and The Doctor were the strong ones. Good characters, interesting, well played by good actors. The writing didn't always treat them well but that's not their fault.
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Timby posted:As I understand it--and this is not me trying to air dirty laundry or anything like that, I'm a recovering alcoholic myself--Lien developed issues with alcohol and painkillers sometime during the second season because of weight loss pressure from execs, including Berman. What a goddamn tragedy.
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