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Lol that voting rights for parolees won but not for teenagers
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/\/\/\ efbCopperHound posted:I though prop 18 would be the least controversial of the bunch. Once again this stupid state continues to surprise me. There is a bit of irony in that voters overwhelmingly decided to give the vote back to parolees but letting 17 year olds vote is clearly a bridge too far. The judgment of a murderer takes precedent over a 17 year old. I voted yes for both props.
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Nov 4, 2020 07:03
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Currently 52.1 Y on 19 50.4 N on 15 wtf lol
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Nov 4, 2020 07:08
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Why not let people in prison vote as well?
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Nov 4, 2020 07:10
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I mean California does have a huge prison industrial complex I suppose. But it also has a lot of teenagers (who aren't going to vote anyway)!adoration for none posted:
I don't think convicted murderers get out on parole dude
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Nov 4, 2020 07:10
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Sydin posted:Nothing set in stone yet obviously but if these results held it would be a decidedly mixed bag of results.  Major EPIC win tonight for all californians today   . Uber/lyft/gig VC leaders preserving ability for workers to control their own destiny, corporate land owners preserving their god-ordained 1960s tax rate, bail bonds industry preserving cash bail for another decade, landlords defeating evil rent controls trying to take away their money, real estate agents a nice earned commision that they worked hard for, devita dialysis corporate preserving their shareholder profit dividend payouts. Very good result all around, we did it
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Nov 4, 2020 07:15
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threeagainstfour posted:Can the 7/8th majority in the legislature bit of Prop 22 be challenged in court? That bit seems pretty insane, but I'm not knowledgeable at all on the legal standing of it. It doesn't matter that much because the legislature generally doesn't have the authority to mess with props anyways. That 7/8ths thing is just in case Uber, et al somehow wrote something that fucks them over into the law and they need to In fact ballot measures usually have language that says you can't touch them ever without passing another proposition, so Prop 22 is actually more permissive than props usually are on this front.
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Nov 4, 2020 07:19
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Can we create a prop to require a higher threshold for props to pass?
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Nov 4, 2020 07:20
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Wicked Them Beats posted:It doesn't matter that much because the legislature generally doesn't have the authority to mess with props anyways. That 7/8ths thing is just in case Uber, et al somehow wrote something that fucks them over into the law and they need to
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Nov 4, 2020 07:20
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FMguru posted:I thought propositions, when passed, became essentially part of the state constitution and can only be altered or removed by passing another proposition (or having the courts strike it down as bad law, like what they did with gay marriage). Basically. I think it's still normal to put a clause in that tells legislators to keep their hands off, as kind of a just in case thing, but I don't read the full text of every one.
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Nov 4, 2020 07:22
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This state is just gonna keep entrenching it's own bullshit over and over until there's nobody who can actually afford to live here besides property owners starving to death going insane inside their giant empty homes they can't find renters willing to pay $15,000 a month in rent for.
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Nov 4, 2020 07:26
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Lol that voting rights for parolees won but not for teenagers I have 3 teenagers in my house. gently caress letting any of them vote. Also, it shows Placer as 100% reporting but Ballot Trax shows my ballot hasn’t been counted 🤔
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Nov 4, 2020 07:28
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't think convicted murderers get out on parole dude Sorry, I could have easily checked that.
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Nov 4, 2020 07:33
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Nov 4, 2020 07:37
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Nov 4, 2020 07:49
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bawfuls posted:
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Nov 4, 2020 07:50
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Apparently that's early voting so in person voting will probably push Issa over
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Nov 4, 2020 07:58
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Glass of Milk posted:Apparently that's early voting so in person voting will probably push Issa over drat
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threeagainstfour posted:Can the 7/8th majority in the legislature bit of Prop 22 be challenged in court? That bit seems pretty insane, but I'm not knowledgeable at all on the legal standing of it. I would say, though I'm certainly not an expert, that the 7/8ths amendment clause exists almost only to say that the legislature can amend it (and maybe also as a final amendment button that almost never gets used). BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 08:01
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Praying and lighting some incense (weed) for Prop 15 tonight.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:03
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Next prop: Weed smoking is mandatory in high schools and you need a 100% of the california vote to overturn it.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:05
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Orange County has Biden winning over Trump by https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-us-election-results/california I think we can officially declare that GOP stronghold dead. FCKGW fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 08:17
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i wonder how many times uber et al will throw hundreds of millions of bucks at followup props striking down 22
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Nov 4, 2020 08:38
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My area kept Katie Porter (US Rep that got the CDC to promise free covid tests) and kicked out a republican incumbent for state senator so I'm happy I'm doing my part.
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Nov 4, 2020 08:43
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OC gonna OC with CA-48. This one's a nailbiter - Rouda losing by 1500 votes right no
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Xaris posted:big win for bail bond industry tonight Nah, prop 25 was poo poo
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Nov 4, 2020 10:49
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Prop 25 may not be the answer, but since race plays such an outsized role in determining access to capital at least you could be racist through bias sampling and not through crushing levels of debt.
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Nov 4, 2020 11:29
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25 seems like one where you really want to do it via legislation not a proposition if possible. Since cash bail is so clearly bad but implementation of the replacement really matters. ^ also on that theme, I hope 14 didn’t squeak through. The organization which runs it seems way too unaccountable (and sort of corrupt?) to be handed that much money, esp when CA isn’t there only funder of stem cell research anymore. Sort of surprised 16 did that badly. But I guess it’s the difference between support for AA generally vs specifically taking into account race.
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Nov 4, 2020 11:52
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tildes posted:25 seems like one where you really want to do it via legislation not a proposition if possible. So it can be fixed to something maybe more people will find acceptable.... but will they? 
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Craptacular! posted:Prop 25 may not be the answer, but since race plays such an outsized role in determining access to capital at least you could be racist through bias sampling and not through crushing levels of debt. Note that “not being racist” isn’t an option on offer.
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Centrist Committee posted:Note that “not being racist” isn’t an option on offer. Where do you think you are
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prop 15 and prop 22 are really the big ones i cared about. i always knew 22 was gonna pass given the scumfuck way uber and lyft were able to go about their campaigning (the "Progressive Voter Guide" they sent out was a brilliant idea), but 15 not passing really sucks.
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Nov 4, 2020 16:13
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tildes posted:25 seems like one where you really want to do it via legislation not a proposition if possible. Since cash bail is so clearly bad but implementation of the replacement really matters. i thought they did. wasn't the prop just the text of a bill that had been passed by the legislature and signed by the governor? that's why it seemed weird and compromised. then lobbyists did something I still don't understand to put it on the ballot instead. we do not live in a democracy.
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Nov 4, 2020 16:15
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Nah we life in an idiotocracy where the stupider people are the more voting power they have. Anyone who tells me they voted yes on 22 is going to be told good job you legalized slavery
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Nov 4, 2020 16:17
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Doc Hawkins posted:i thought they did. wasn't the prop just the text of a bill that had been passed by the legislature and signed by the governor? that's why it seemed weird and compromised. then lobbyists did something I still don't understand to put it on the ballot instead. If you buy enough signatures you can get any passed legislation put up as a referendum. Turns out the Bail Bonds industry has a lot of money! Edit: for anyone unaware, the rough timeline on something like this is 1.) law gets passed, 2.) industry unhappy with the law circulates referendum petition, 3.) once they have enough signatures they file the petition and the law gets put on hold until the people vote. It wasn't a proposition, it was a referendum on a law. If Prop 25 had passed we would have upheld the plain ol' law that our duly-elected legislature had passed repealing cash bail. And the legislature could have amended that law at any time in the future via a simple majority + governor's signature. But now the law is dead and the status quo is maintained, and we'll see if the political will exists for the legislature to try again. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Edit: for anyone unaware, the rough timeline on something like this is 1.) law gets passed, 2.) industry unhappy with the law circulates referendum petition, 3.) once they have enough signatures they file the petition and the law gets put on hold until the people vote. thanks, i hate it
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Nov 4, 2020 18:08
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tildes posted:25 seems like one where you really want to do it via legislation not a proposition if possible. Since cash bail is so clearly bad but implementation of the replacement really matters. SF eliminated cash bail and Gascon ran on eliminating it in LA, all of CA will likely follow suit quickly, and then it's very likely in two years statewide with another Prop vote and it won't be bullshit Prop 25. Centrist Committee posted:Note that “not being racist” isn’t an option on offer. lol, of course not!
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To all my SF goons: gently caress SCOTT WEINER Anyways, so sad about 15 and 22  mA fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 18:25
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Even this thread was evenly split over 25 because it was just that poorly written. It would have been nice to kill the bail industry right now, but 25 wasn't going to properly address the underlying problems, and just entrench them in a different manner
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I have 3 teenagers in my house. gently caress letting any of them vote. I'm watching the Byrne Kennedy race. NYT doesn't show placer mail in votes yet, but it's a county she's leading. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-california-house-district-4.html
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