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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1323965801834184704?s=21 Max Rose was airing Chuddy ads but could not overcome being tagged as a BLM sympathizer.
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davecrazy posted:Wisconsin Dem Chair: Biden is effectively president at this point.
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skylined! posted:Dems are bad but how do you even combat this. Yup. It's why I don't believe for a second that moving left would work nationally. Our country is full of sociopaths.
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mango sentinel posted:Not much room to get annihilated in 2022 senate races. Most seats on. Both sides are gonna be pretty safe and Republicans will have more vulnerable ones dangling. two years of biden doing less than nothing to make anyone's lives better and being stonewalled by the senate if he even dares try combined with all those old white voters he gained this election going back to voting gop in 2022 is not going to lead to democrats picking up any potentially vulnerable seats
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Flayer posted:That's game over for Trump. NV still worries me being so close and we will not hear anything new until tomorrow.
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I think we're seeing partly the incumbent effect...even for someone as lovely as Trump it's hard to knock off an incumbent, combined with some antipathy towards Biden from various places and an overall huge turnout increase...even though Dem turnout increased so did Republican Also combined with the Dem party just being a shitshow of a party and not one that rallies behind a candidate very well. Republicans will almost always back their candidate, Democrats will not. Maybe Bernie would have done better (hopefully he would have) but I think we'd be moaning about his poor support among some group that also made this tighter than it should be. What a poo poo show of a country
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skylined! posted:Dems are bad but how do you even combat this. Are they just gonna prop his corpse up in an office?
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I'm annoyed that it's close enough that Rudy Guiliani might have actually swayed a meaningful number of votes with the laptop poo poo.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Are they just gonna prop his corpse up in an office? Worked for many years for Strom Thurmond.
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Bubbacub posted:I'm annoyed that it's close enough that Rudy Guiliani might have actually swayed a meaningful number of votes with the laptop poo poo. I don't think he did at all because, incumbent effect, half of america being sociopaths, and biden still coming ahead means the laptop did jack
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Are they just gonna prop his corpse up in an office? We did always joke about Weekend at Bernies.
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For people who are feeling depressed, remember from CNN to Chapo, it is an industry that is trying to convince you that your identity can be rooted in being a political smarty pants who knows the score and has control. The reality is that the US was founded with some noble principles, but overall the game was rigged in ways that have nothing to do with Moderate Voltrons. But there is good in the world and there is good you can do. I really recommend the mutual aid thread that was created. I promise you there are volunteer opportunities in your community from schools looking for professionals to churches looking for people to drive meals. The world is chaos and you have no control over it, try to unplug and do some good.
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Hit Man posted:Did any senate seats flip at all? Arizona and Colorado.
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Levitate posted:I think we're seeing partly the incumbent effect...even for someone as lovely as Trump it's hard to knock off an incumbent, combined with some antipathy towards Biden from various places and an overall huge turnout increase...even though Dem turnout increased so did Republican The counties is going to stay in recession for 3-4 years. And COVID is going to kill more people under Biden than Trump did. Both thanks to Trump. The media and 50% of the country will blame Biden . quote:What a poo poo show of a country.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Little known fact his finisher was the original Anaconda Vice. It took out Jeff Davis for the unified championship. But, he really just stole the move from Winfield Scott.
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How does the "incumbent effect" work, exactly? Is it just name-recognition? Or is there some other mechanical advantage?
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Hit Man posted:Did any senate seats flip at all? Gardner in Colorado.
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Gort posted:How does the "incumbent effect" work, exactly? Is it just name-recognition? Or is there some other mechanical advantage? A lot of politically-disengaged people (they still exist!) will just vote for whoever the incumbent is and move on.
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Hit Man posted:Did any senate seats flip at all? McSally and Gardner flipped because they're absolute dogshit losers, and Doug Jones lost his seat, but every other Trump bootlicking Republican won bigly on Daddy's large hand coattails.
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Maybe Kelly in Az.
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Mercury Ballistic posted:Maybe Kelly in Az. Kelly was called last night
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Gort posted:How does the "incumbent effect" work, exactly? Is it just name-recognition? Or is there some other mechanical advantage? Even if things are incredibly lovely as long as the danger is abstract and not immediate people are hesitant to change in case it makes things worse. Which, given our two political parties in the US, is not an unfounded fear to have. Others who just don’t pay attention to politics but vote still will just pick whoever is already president
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Zotix posted:So let's recap... The Dems has a full fledged campaign force including Obama, Sanders, and other primary opponents stumping for Biden. They had massive fundraising, absolutely massive. They had 220,000 dead due to a pandemic largely amplified by a presidents gross negligence. The president got said Virus a month out from the election due to his own negligence. There was large unrest nationally due to an overbearing police force backed by a president who ratcheted up the rhetoric. There was a republican campaign that had it's funds grossly mismanaged and was practically broke for the last month or two... And still we have or nearly have a repeat of 2016. After all of the polling accounted for the issues of 2016. It's far more likely that GOP and its operatives have expanded, honed, sharpened, and documented their tactics for contesting elections on a county-by-county basis. Remember in 2009, when O'Keefe brought down ACORN? In every election since 2008, it's not a stretch to say that ACORN's dissolution was detrimental to Democratic votes (and that's often putting it lightly). Republican strategy hinges on strictly controlling who votes (aka voter suppression), and every election since then has been a nail-biter. Many of the same operatives who helped deliver Florida in 2000 now have elevated positions of power within the GOP, and it's difficult to believe they've gotten worse at gaming the system. In the last 20 years, they have to have built a large amount of institutional knowledge on how to bring an election down to the wire. After each election like this, when the results are so evenly divided, I'm increasingly left with a sinking feeling that just screams "Something's really off!".
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Rea posted:A lot of politically-disengaged people (they still exist!) will just vote for whoever the incumbent is and move on. When GWB was running for re-election, my now former mother in law told me she as voting for him again because he was president and we needed to support him. She is as dumb as a box of rocks, and there are a lot of people like her out there not posting on Twitter and such.
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What do you mean "what the gently caress happened *this time*"? They are hacks at best, grifters at worst. Like, how much wrong do they need to be for it to be even more obvious that even with all their efforts to cover their asses they are constantly wrong.
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I mainly just look at where things stand right now and come to the same conclusion I have for the last 15 years or so in that the United States is just insanely polarized politically and it bears out in every election it has. Yet again it's insanely split down the middle. The way it's the former blue wall states still waiting to come in and be declared right down to the most obvious tipping point states and a near electoral college tie just feels a little too scripted in some ways. RATINGS!
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trucutru posted:What do you mean "what the gently caress happened *this time*"? They are hacks at best, grifters at worst. Like, how much wrong do they need to be for it to be even more obvious that even with all their efforts to cover their asses they are constantly wrong. Pollsters are basically the soothsayers of our time except they dont read the entrails of animals
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All the methods polling is done are flawed in 2020 and pollsters are basically world of warcraft shamans in predicting the future.
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Vigil for Virgil posted:Pollsters are basically the soothsayers of our time except they dont read the entrails of animals Maybe they should try?
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Omnikin posted:Whats for breakfast goons? I... I don’t have patience for much more than cereal today I typically eat whatever I can hide my meds in so I don't chew the pills cuz they taste gross. It... didn't work today.
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Turns out all the polling they were doing were the same 1,200 people over and over again.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Turns out all the polling they were doing were the same 1,200 people over and over again. the remaining 1200 people in the us that answer landline phone calls.
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Can I get a brief summary of Nevada? I went to bed at 11 PM EST
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Kale posted:I mainly just look at where things stand right now and come to the same conclusion I have for the last 15 years or so in that the United States is just insanely polarized politically and it bears out in every election it has. Yet again it's insanely split down the middle. The way it's the former blue wall states still waiting to come in and be declared right down to the most obvious tipping point states and a near electoral college tie just feels a little too scripted in some ways. RATINGS! DO SOMETHING!
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Ringo Star Get posted:Turns out all the polling they were doing were the same 1,200 people over and over again. Clearly the polls also did not accurately reflect the defections by Hispanics to Trump (which to be fair, is not something I would have ever expected)
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Vernii posted:Can I get a brief summary of Nevada? I went to bed at 11 PM EST nevada is razor thin close, but it is unlikely to turn red.
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Flayer posted:That's game over for Trump. We are still hosed though. Chuds are going to claim this is illegitimate.
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Roobanguy posted:its literally neck and neck with a bunch of votes from detroit still unaccounted. Our current feelings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7APmRkatEU Thank you for your time.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:bernie had the entire party working against him and also made tactical errors like not going after biden even remotely hard enough regarding poo poo like social security. if he was less decorum-poisoned i think he would be the nominee and president-elect. "The party" didn't trick Bernie into stopping campaigning in SC (which was arguably where the wheels came off for him in the primaries), that was his own choice. And if one's chances for getting the nomination hinged on people not dropping out then that's a bad plan. But that's with the benefit of hindsight. Also the US is not full of a bunch of secret leftists/progressive waiting for the right candidate. Jamie Harrison didn't beat Lindsey Graham. Paula-Jean Swearingen was blown out again. It's not enough to just be progressive or a socialist, it's not even enough to run a good campaign. I wanted both of those candidates to win but the votes just weren't there or if they were they were suppressed. People, especially in this country, do not like to act in their own best interests. For those just sitting around waiting for Ranked Choice voting to just magically get adopted by states, keep dreaming. Massachusetts Question 2 was, frustratingly, defeated despite basically no spending on lobbying against it. So we still have a very long way to go. I'm not trying to say better things aren't possible, what I am trying to say is you gotta be willing to do more than just keep hoping centrism and neoliberalism get destroyed by fascists (who would most likely violently suppress any socialist party that would try to rise from the ashes). The DNC isn't some unstoppable juggernaut (as shown by Elliot Engel and Joe Kennedy III losing their primaries despite their backing). And of course there's also the idea of trying to become delegates ourselves, but how workable that is, I just don't know Unfortunately I also don't know the One Weird Trick on how to drag the party leftward outside of primarying as hard left as possible. Over-promising things (i.e. lying) seems like a bad idea given how non-R voters tend to react to that. Regardless, change is not going to come from the top down. Ashmole posted:We are still hosed though. Chuds are going to claim this is illegitimate. They've been claiming poo poo like that since 2008, even if the mythical blowout happened they'd still claim it was illegitimate.
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