Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Gaius Marius posted:

They can. Honestly I find your defeatism pathetic.

Snacksmaniac posted:

Tons of John James signs in my (mostly R) area. I guess the really weak attack ads worked for James -- and hes a TROOP.
John Fuckin James

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Gaius Marius posted:

They can. Honestly I find your defeatism pathetic.

Kraftwerk posted:

So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states.
The overall impression I got from these business relationships is that a lot of the GOP voters (especially in the South) hated Obama because he was black. It's bad enough that anyone involved in business votes Republican but the idea that they had a BLACK person telling them what to do (President Obama) was a source of 8 years of intense frustration among many of the whiter parts of the country. It was simply unacceptable and voting for Trump was a way to put blacks back in their place. It's a degree of racial intolerance equivalent to how Europeans generally view Roma people and how accepted it is to have casual low key racism against them.

Simply put, white America has an enormous problem with a colored person being in any kind of position of power and will do extreme things to ensure it never happens again. Trump is in many ways a reaction to this. The white working class just goes along with it for reasons including cultural ones.

This is important because if AOC does run for President she has a lot of headwinds that will keep her from winning. If you thought having a black person telling you what to do was unconscionable for most of White America, now imagine a WOMAN OF COLOR. AOC could campaign on Donald Trump's politics and she'd lose badly just because of her race and gender. This is what America actually thinks and its rampant all over all but the bluest of states. The one saving grace AOC might have is she could probably sew up the latino vote and youth vote better than anyone else could but I don't think it would be enough to offset the white vote that would turn out in droves to vote against her.

In many ways assuming AOC doesn't get ratfucked by Pete or Kamala in the next primary, her voting results will probably mirror Hillary Clinton in 2016. The right wing media has been running into overdrive polarizing across America. I think she's extremely unpopular nationally compared to blue strongholds.
I want a President AOC more than anyone but there's shitloads of people who think she should return to bartending or shut-up and return to the kitchen (or puerto rico) and the GOP will exploit that feeling and drive up the base to counter-vote any blue wave. I don't know what can be done to overcome these base tendencies.

eXXon posted:

Is Al Franken ready to be rehabilitated, or he too touchy-grabby-molesty?

Xander B Coolridge posted:

I don't know how you knew that this is exactly what I need to see today for some catharsis

BonoMan posted:

Calling someone pathetic, especially at a vulnerable moment of feeling some understandable doom & gloom, will accomplish absolutely loving nothing.

T. Bombastus posted:

Nobody thinks a platform focused on progressive issues would sweep 100% of the elections in this country, we just know it would get better results overall than what the party is doing now.

Trying to make one of the most conservative parts of the country a bellwether for this argument is completely intellectually bankrupt.

Kraftwerk posted:

So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states.
The overall impression I got from these business relationships is that a lot of the GOP voters (especially in the South) hated Obama because he was black. It's bad enough that anyone involved in business votes Republican but the idea that they had a BLACK person telling them what to do (President Obama) was a source of 8 years of intense frustration among many of the whiter parts of the country. It was simply unacceptable and voting for Trump was a way to put blacks back in their place. It's a degree of racial intolerance equivalent to how Europeans generally view Roma people and how accepted it is to have casual low key racism against them.

Simply put, white America has an enormous problem with a colored person being in any kind of position of power and will do extreme things to ensure it never happens again. Trump is in many ways a reaction to this. The white working class just goes along with it for reasons including cultural ones.

This is important because if AOC does run for President she has a lot of headwinds that will keep her from winning. If you thought having a black person telling you what to do was unconscionable for most of White America, now imagine a WOMAN OF COLOR. AOC could campaign on Donald Trump's politics and she'd lose badly just because of her race and gender. This is what America actually thinks and its rampant all over all but the bluest of states. The one saving grace AOC might have is she could probably sew up the latino vote and youth vote better than anyone else could but I don't think it would be enough to offset the white vote that would turn out in droves to vote against her.

In many ways assuming AOC doesn't get ratfucked by Pete or Kamala in the next primary, her voting results will probably mirror Hillary Clinton in 2016. The right wing media has been running into overdrive polarizing across America. I think she's extremely unpopular nationally compared to blue strongholds.
I want a President AOC more than anyone but there's shitloads of people who think she should return to bartending or shut-up and return to the kitchen (or puerto rico) and the GOP will exploit that feeling and drive up the base to counter-vote any blue wave. I don't know what can be done to overcome these base tendencies.

Gaius Marius posted:

I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in.

Gaius Marius posted:

I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in.

Xander B Coolridge posted:

I don't know how you knew that this is exactly what I need to see today for some catharsis

Gaius Marius posted:

I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in.

Pick posted:

In January, I was inches from toxxing for Trump to get it emotionally out of the way. I expected him to win re-election. Almost every president does. A victory is a victory.

sausage king of Chicago posted:

https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1324051722029981698?s=20

well, I knew it wasn't going to happen, but this just sucks.

kronix posted:

That you for a very not dumb take.

Trump is going to die with the stink of loser and NYS dragging his fat rear end through the ringer for the next 10 years until he eats the one cheeseburger that finally sends him over the edge.

Yeah, polls are stupid, libs are idiots and we hosed up on the senate side but there’s an upside here.

Gaius Marius posted:

I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in.

kronix posted:

That you for a very not dumb take.

Trump is going to die with the stink of loser and NYS dragging his fat rear end through the ringer for the next 10 years until he eats the one cheeseburger that finally sends him over the edge.

Yeah, polls are stupid, libs are idiots and we hosed up on the senate side but there’s an upside here.

sausage king of Chicago posted:

https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1324051722029981698?s=20

well, I knew it wasn't going to happen, but this just sucks.

DandyLion posted:

Hate is all we have left.

Kraftwerk posted:

So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states.
The overall impression I got from these business relationships is that a lot of the GOP voters (especially in the South) hated Obama because he was black. It's bad enough that anyone involved in business votes Republican but the idea that they had a BLACK person telling them what to do (President Obama) was a source of 8 years of intense frustration among many of the whiter parts of the country. It was simply unacceptable and voting for Trump was a way to put blacks back in their place. It's a degree of racial intolerance equivalent to how Europeans generally view Roma people and how accepted it is to have casual low key racism against them.

Simply put, white America has an enormous problem with a colored person being in any kind of position of power and will do extreme things to ensure it never happens again. Trump is in many ways a reaction to this. The white working class just goes along with it for reasons including cultural ones.

This is important because if AOC does run for President she has a lot of headwinds that will keep her from winning. If you thought having a black person telling you what to do was unconscionable for most of White America, now imagine a WOMAN OF COLOR. AOC could campaign on Donald Trump's politics and she'd lose badly just because of her race and gender. This is what America actually thinks and its rampant all over all but the bluest of states. The one saving grace AOC might have is she could probably sew up the latino vote and youth vote better than anyone else could but I don't think it would be enough to offset the white vote that would turn out in droves to vote against her.

In many ways assuming AOC doesn't get ratfucked by Pete or Kamala in the next primary, her voting results will probably mirror Hillary Clinton in 2016. The right wing media has been running into overdrive polarizing across America. I think she's extremely unpopular nationally compared to blue strongholds.
I want a President AOC more than anyone but there's shitloads of people who think she should return to bartending or shut-up and return to the kitchen (or puerto rico) and the GOP will exploit that feeling and drive up the base to counter-vote any blue wave. I don't know what can be done to overcome these base tendencies.

berserker posted:

For one thing I expect if Biden wins he will put together an actual national COVID plan and if that gets the virus under control and the economy can get back into real gear, his popularity would soar I guarantee it.

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

ImpAtom posted:

It isn't particularly defeatist to go "There is nobody who fits that criteria at the moment and they will need to start making a name for themselves pretty drat soon to have a chance."

Xander B Coolridge posted:

Quoting because I need to soberly remind myself of how much the general population just outright hates women

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

Baronash posted:

You’re right. We really need to present a candidate with a solid national pedigree, just like the *checks notes* 2004 DNC speaker.

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

loving love Fiona Apple posted:

We still have to win 2020. I'm still stressing.

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.

berserker posted:

For one thing I expect if Biden wins he will put together an actual national COVID plan and if that gets the virus under control and the economy can get back into real gear, his popularity would soar I guarantee it.