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Inject this into my veins.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:12 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:55 |
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Gaius Marius posted:They can. Honestly I find your defeatism pathetic. I find your lack of faith.... disturbing
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:13 |
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Snacksmaniac posted:Tons of John James signs in my (mostly R) area. I guess the really weak attack ads worked for James -- and hes a TROOP. That loving I'm a TROOP and btw I'm not one of the scary blacks that burns stuff ad. God I hate him.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:13 |
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So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states. The overall impression I got from these business relationships is that a lot of the GOP voters (especially in the South) hated Obama because he was black. It's bad enough that anyone involved in business votes Republican but the idea that they had a BLACK person telling them what to do (President Obama) was a source of 8 years of intense frustration among many of the whiter parts of the country. It was simply unacceptable and voting for Trump was a way to put blacks back in their place. It's a degree of racial intolerance equivalent to how Europeans generally view Roma people and how accepted it is to have casual low key racism against them. Simply put, white America has an enormous problem with a colored person being in any kind of position of power and will do extreme things to ensure it never happens again. Trump is in many ways a reaction to this. The white working class just goes along with it for reasons including cultural ones. This is important because if AOC does run for President she has a lot of headwinds that will keep her from winning. If you thought having a black person telling you what to do was unconscionable for most of White America, now imagine a WOMAN OF COLOR. AOC could campaign on Donald Trump's politics and she'd lose badly just because of her race and gender. This is what America actually thinks and its rampant all over all but the bluest of states. The one saving grace AOC might have is she could probably sew up the latino vote and youth vote better than anyone else could but I don't think it would be enough to offset the white vote that would turn out in droves to vote against her. In many ways assuming AOC doesn't get ratfucked by Pete or Kamala in the next primary, her voting results will probably mirror Hillary Clinton in 2016. The right wing media has been running into overdrive polarizing across America. I think she's extremely unpopular nationally compared to blue strongholds. I want a President AOC more than anyone but there's shitloads of people who think she should return to bartending or shut-up and return to the kitchen (or puerto rico) and the GOP will exploit that feeling and drive up the base to counter-vote any blue wave. I don't know what can be done to overcome these base tendencies.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:13 |
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I don't know how you knew that this is exactly what I need to see today for some catharsis
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:14 |
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Gaius Marius posted:They can. Honestly I find your defeatism pathetic. It isn't particularly defeatist to go "There is nobody who fits that criteria at the moment and they will need to start making a name for themselves pretty drat soon to have a chance." I am not saying "give up and surrender to the olds" but running a non-old gently caress depends on there being a non old gently caress people like enough to support and every single candidate people supported was an old gently caress including the good one. You can't just magically make one appear and run them.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:15 |
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Kraftwerk posted:So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states. What are you on about. She is still a freshman congresswoman. Didn't we learn our lesson with Obama that junior politicians may not be the best route? Just wait how she develops and we will see.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:15 |
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eXXon posted:Is Al Franken ready to be rehabilitated, or he too touchy-grabby-molesty? I mean, the dems chucked aside #metoo the moment it inconvenienced someone they gave a drat about so probably.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:16 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:I don't know how you knew that this is exactly what I need to see today for some catharsis *hug* same
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:16 |
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BonoMan posted:Calling someone pathetic, especially at a vulnerable moment of feeling some understandable doom & gloom, will accomplish absolutely loving nothing. I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:16 |
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T. Bombastus posted:Nobody thinks a platform focused on progressive issues would sweep 100% of the elections in this country, we just know it would get better results overall than what the party is doing now. Pretending that all you have to do is say the magic words is what's really intellectually bankrupt. Harrison didn't win, ranked choice didn't pass in MA, California continued to treat the gig economy as slave labor. Ignore these problems at your own peril. It is not going to be easy. Progressivism can take hold. But it's not going to be some sort of simple, magic formula.
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Kraftwerk posted:So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states. I remember when CNN arranged a moment where warren called bernie a sexist because he said as much as this lol
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:17 |
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Gaius Marius posted:I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in. In January, I was inches from toxxing for Trump to get it emotionally out of the way. I expected him to win re-election. Almost every president does. A victory is a victory.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:17 |
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https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1324051722029981698?s=20 well, I knew it wasn't going to happen, but this just sucks.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:18 |
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Gaius Marius posted:I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in. Nobody said anything about stopping fighting? Acknowledging realities of situations doesn't mean you stop fighting to improve them.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:18 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:I don't know how you knew that this is exactly what I need to see today for some catharsis As someone who lives in East Tennessee, one of big perks if Biden wins is I get to swim in the tears of all the Trump supporters surrounding me. Today is giving me hope that dream may come reality.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:19 |
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Gaius Marius posted:I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in. So instead of taking the moment to maybe help lift someone out of the darkness and encourage them to keep fighting... you just called them pathetic (don't get pedantic about calling their attitude pathetic it's irrelevant). Bravo on also not helping anything.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:19 |
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Pick posted:In January, I was inches from toxxing for Trump to get it emotionally out of the way. I expected him to win re-election. Almost every president does. A victory is a victory. That you for a very not dumb take. Trump is going to die with the stink of loser and NYS dragging his fat rear end through the ringer for the next 10 years until he eats the one cheeseburger that finally sends him over the edge. Yeah, polls are stupid, libs are idiots and we hosed up on the senate side but there’s an upside here.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:19 |
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sausage king of Chicago posted:https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1324051722029981698?s=20 Couldn’t get rid of any of the gop old poo poo guard of senators. That and the geriatric Dems are the reason why this country is a shithole
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:21 |
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kronix posted:That you for a very not dumb take. Also, Biden turned out his people. Trump turned out people that no one ever expected and certainly weren't motivated by "fear of Joe Biden" (not even Republicans cited this). This was a turnout election and we had no idea that there truly was a +7 Nazi Adjustment across the board we were secretly fighting the whole time.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:21 |
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Seriously, a victory is a victory. Worry about 2022 when it comes. If we win 2020, its objectively better than not winning it.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:22 |
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Gaius Marius posted:I didn't call him pathetic I said his attitude was pathetic. Throwing pity parties has done jack poo poo for the left. We have no idea what's going to be happening two years from now. Acting like everything is hopeless because Mitch still controls the senate is just giving yourself permission to give up fighting for what you believe in. For one thing I expect if Biden wins he will put together an actual national COVID plan and if that gets the virus under control and the economy can get back into real gear, his popularity would soar I guarantee it.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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kronix posted:That you for a very not dumb take. Hate is all we have left.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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sausage king of Chicago posted:https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1324051722029981698?s=20 so unless the guy from MI and one of the georgia candidates, the senate is officially gone
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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We still have to win 2020. I'm still stressing.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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I just woke up, in the past 8 hours has the situation pretty much remained stable that Biden is ahead by a nose and we continue to expect the uncounted absentee ballots in major blue areas to be favorable? Trump seems to be freaking out, which feels reassuring.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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DandyLion posted:Hate is all we have left.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:23 |
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So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:24 |
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Kraftwerk posted:So I work in the Chemical industry which means I do business with a lot of people in the reddest of states. Quoting because I need to soberly remind myself of how much the general population just outright hates women
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:24 |
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berserker posted:For one thing I expect if Biden wins he will put together an actual national COVID plan and if that gets the virus under control and the economy can get back into real gear, his popularity would soar I guarantee it. The problem is that a GOP Senate has no incentive to play along with this and every reason to sit on their hands so that they can claim Biden accomplished nothing and then just clean house in 2022.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:25 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. The only votes left to count in NV are mail in ballots (heavily D), and most of them are from Clark County (heavily D).
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:25 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. Hope is dangerous. Hope is a lie.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:25 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. Its not just NV he needs. Biden can pull out PA with 1 million + votes still to be counted, and 300kish votes in Atlanta to count.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:26 |
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ImpAtom posted:It isn't particularly defeatist to go "There is nobody who fits that criteria at the moment and they will need to start making a name for themselves pretty drat soon to have a chance." You’re right. We really need to present a candidate with a solid national pedigree, just like the *checks notes* 2004 DNC speaker.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:26 |
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Xander B Coolridge posted:Quoting because I need to soberly remind myself of how much the general population just outright hates women There are millions and millions of women who hate women. From a purely objective standpoint you gotta hand it to our oligarch/autocrat overlords for engineering a perfect system to keep the proles fighting each other instead of taking back what was stolen from them.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:26 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. No, not even close. Among other things PA is probably not going to be counted until Friday. Baronash posted:You’re right. We really need to present a candidate with a solid national pedigree, just like the *checks notes* 2004 DNC speaker. Who was, again, one of the most incredibly charismatic speakers to run for president in a very long time. People expected him to run from that moment.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:26 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. Apparently most of the outstanding votes are coming from Clark County which is Vegas, and also consist of about 70% of the population of Nevada. That area is pretty blue and the gap is expected to widen, not shorten. At least that's the theory. We shall see.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:27 |
loving love Fiona Apple posted:We still have to win 2020. I'm still stressing.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:28 |
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:So Trump just needs to overcome an 8k vote gap in NV and he wins, right? I don't understand why people in this thread are optimistic about Biden pulling it off. Because of the votes left to count have to split in a shocking manner for Trump.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:28 |
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berserker posted:For one thing I expect if Biden wins he will put together an actual national COVID plan and if that gets the virus under control and the economy can get back into real gear, his popularity would soar I guarantee it. If it requires the Senate, it's not going to happen. Now the Republicans can blame Biden for covid getting worse while they make covid worse. They will not confirm any of his nominees for anything; not his cabinet, not his executive agencies. They wont approve policies, they will just whine about the debt and demand medicare and social security be cut before they agree to cover covid defense.
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# ? Nov 4, 2020 19:28 |