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Sydin posted:"There is an element of sexism in the left's hatred towards Kamala" and "The party is using idpol as a shield to deflect criticism of Kamala" are not mutually exclusive. Fair, but I don't see the party doing that either.
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mA posted:You won't find me defending cops. That said, Kamala was one of the original cosponsors of Medicare for All. She's obviously a careerist and opportunist, but I find her to be someone who you could plausibly "push left" in some aspects unlike Biden. You will never move her an inch to the left. She'll get on TV to politely tell you no with that disarming Xanax drawl of hers, wearing a perfectly fitting rainbow mask, standing exactly six feet away from the sign language interpreter and ADA-accessible podium ramp, but if you persist she won't hesitate to send BORTAC to your house. If you think the Democratic Party failed to secure the fealty of the next in line to power behind the septuagenarian candidate in clear cognitive decline, you are woefully unprepared for the reality of politics under the Biden administration.
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mA posted:You won't find me defending cops. That said, Kamala was one of the original cosponsors of Medicare for All. She's obviously a careerist and opportunist, but I find her to be someone who you could plausibly "push left" in some aspects unlike Biden. I mean, nothing good has been successful lately. I'm not going to condemn someone for trying. I also don't think Weiner is good overall, and I would rather have him stick around in state-level positions where he can maybe move the needle on housing rather than being another incredibly milquetoast Senator. Whether he'd be a "better" Senator than Kamala is open to debate I suppose; it's not like she actually had an opportunity to do much at all. Of course, she did immediately flip against M4A under the first sign of pressure.
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Carroll Fife, who played an important role with Moms4Housing, took Lynette McElhaney's Oakland city council seat. McElhaney had opposed attempts to defund the OPD while Fife had that as a plank of her campaign. Small victory.
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My issue with Scott Wiener is that while I think he's better than most state senators in CA, he's too conservative and too bought out for San Francisco. The City could have someone who is more progressive or a real leftist representing that district.
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Senator Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, to reach across the aisle and show everyone how future president gavin newsom wants to heal the country
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Leperflesh posted:Senator Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, to reach across the aisle and show everyone how future president gavin newsom wants to heal the country He would probably just be another center-right Democrat at this point though, he wouldn't even be to the right of Feinstein
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There's always the chance that Mayo Buttigieg moves to California just in time to get appointed to the Senate by Newsom.
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Nov 6, 2020 00:45
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LA news wasn't all that bad. Measure J passed, which is a promising tactic for future police defunding. Herb Wesson failed badly in his attempt to do a City Council/County Supervisor Swap.....though Mark Ridley-Thomas succeeded in his half and he may be the worse of the two. Gascon beat Jackie Lacey for DA DSA candidate in Burbank city council got elected JusticeLA has been going hard against Lacey for years but someone in this thread has assured me they're a compromised group. 
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nithya raman also won for city council. i don't know her but her opponent was endorsed by Nancy Pelosi (??) and Hillary Clinton (?!?), which i thought was real weird
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Doc Hawkins posted:nithya raman also won for city council. i don't know her but her opponent was endorsed by Nancy Pelosi (??) and Hillary Clinton (?!?), which i thought was real weird I think it's kind of huge. LA city council is succ as gently caress and this might be like the beginning of a new world there. A few years ago I briefly volunteered for Jessica salans to try and primary (?) CD13 and we got blown the gently caress out like insanely, and I think ryu was way more popular than Mitch. Ryu did some cool poo poo with utility box art program around hollywood so him losing to a progressive is very cool to me. The harbinger perhaps. Hehe
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Ridley-Thomas in CD10 is probably an even more succ option than Wesson.
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Oakland, a burning beacon of progress. EDIT: Wait, no. Oh God. Sorry, sorry. I'm trying to erase it. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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There's still a long way to go on all the props, like 4.5 million votes left to count - https://twitter.com/CASOSvote/status/1324519672566308865?s=20 Not that I have much hope on anything good happening in California when it comes to voters, but do keep in mind that it will probably be a week or more before we know on the props.
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Leperflesh posted:Senator Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, to reach across the aisle and show everyone how future president gavin newsom wants to heal the country DO IT DO IT NOW
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At this point I could very easily be talked into Senator Tom Steyer
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Smythe posted:I think it's kind of huge. LA city council is succ as gently caress and this might be like the beginning of a new world there. A few years ago I briefly volunteered for Jessica salans to try and primary (?) CD13 and we got blown the gently caress out like insanely, and I think ryu was way more popular than Mitch. Ryu did some cool poo poo with utility box art program around hollywood so him losing to a progressive is very cool to me. The harbinger perhaps. Hehe Yeah this is the first time in decades that a sitting councilmember has been voted out. This sends a message to the rest of the city council.
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Refried Hero posted:There's still a long way to go on all the props, like 4.5 million votes left to count - https://twitter.com/CASOSvote/status/1324519672566308865?s=20 Do we have a sense of which props might be getting flipped? I know alameda county is obviously voting for the good ones so that should help, but really have no idea for most of the ones with a lot of uncounted votes.
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starbucks hermit posted:DO IT Literally watching predator right now and he just screamed that.
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tildes posted:Do we have a sense of which props might be getting flipped? I know alameda county is obviously voting for the good ones so that should help, but really have no idea for most of the ones with a lot of uncounted votes. The campaigns might have paid for high quality polling on the props that they didn’t make public. So watch how excited they get. Other than that, not really.
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Bodhidharma posted:My issue with Scott Wiener is that while I think he's better than most state senators in CA, he's too conservative and too bought out for San Francisco. The City could have someone who is more progressive or a real leftist representing that district. Why? That's not representative of pro capital neoliberal gently caress the poor San Francisco. That's why they elect neoliberals.
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droll posted:Why? That's not representative of pro capital neoliberal gently caress the poor San Francisco. That's why they elect neoliberals. Yeah that's true that there's a large influential corporate neolib dem contingent in SF, but it's also the city that elects folks like Dean Preston to the Board of Supervisors and almost elected Jane Kim instead of Wiener in 2016. But on the other hand, people like London Breed exist 
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And Nancy Pelosi the multi millionaire.
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Yeah, but in SF door knocking works. Dean just handily beat that loving lich vallie brown despite Mitch McConnell's PAC pouring four million into her campaign and London Breed's endorsement and repeated appearances with her. But yes, as someone who's family has been here since about 1846, SF is a hyper-capitalist hellscape and always has been. FIngers crossed for Connie Chan in D1, it's down to the wire and Marjan is also a loving lich
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Ran into a guy yesterday who was No on 15 to protect "family farms" Prop 15 excludes all agriculture..
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Well, that is what all the sponsored posts on Facebook told me. "A tax on farms is a tax on food"
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:But yes, as someone who's family has been here since about 1846, SF is a hyper-capitalist hellscape and always has been.
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Hmm. Maybe Newsom will appoint Dwayne Johnson.
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mA posted:You won't find me defending cops. That said, Kamala was one of the original cosponsors of Medicare for All. She's obviously a careerist and opportunist, but I find her to be someone who you could plausibly "push left" in some aspects unlike Biden. And then when she started running for president she drafted a new plan that she called "Medicare for All" that wasn't actually Medicare for All, but instead called for a ten year transition to the new system and would let private insurers continue to offer the bulk of the plans and "compete" with the new government system (which basically guarantees the government system would be a mess so that it was fair for the insurance companies). It was a "Medicare for All" plan that was designed to fail and entrench the insurance industry as deeply into the system as possible. If you dig into her proposals, you'll find that they were all carefully tailored to sound like they were offering help to people while making sure the absolute smallest number of people possible received assistance. Such as her plan for forgiving $20k in student loans, but only for Pell Grant recipients who open and run a small business in a disadvantaged community for three years. Joe Biden picked her for a reason, and it had nothing to do with her willingness to pivot left. I don't see the vaunted "we can pull them left" playing out successfully in the real world and I don't think Harris is going to be the first success story on that front. Kenning posted:I will take the senate seat, and I vow to date irresponsibly and go to bars and college parties and hold as many meetings as I can with Feinstein. You've got my support.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:goddamn that double means-testing poo poo still cracks me up lmao this so bad that even libs in this feed are like "uh, you do realize basically nobody would benefit from this right? You essentially have to be in poverty to qualify for a pell grant, how is somebody who qualified and had to take one out supposed to find the capital to spool up an entire new business in only three years after graduating???"
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:goddamn that double means-testing poo poo still cracks me up You've gotta imagine this bullshit comes straight out of committees that are essentially tasked with finding totally meaningless, empty promises that will hold the ground in place of real policies that actually cost money.
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I gotta admit, it takes creativity to come up with a debt relief program that it would cost more to qualify for than to just pay off your debt.
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Vox Nihili posted:You've gotta imagine this bullshit comes straight out of committees that are essentially tasked with finding totally meaningless, empty promises that will hold the ground in place of real policies that actually cost money. lol do you remember hillary clinton's student loan forgiveness plan quote:The Democratic front-runner unveiled a plan Tuesday afternoon that would allow young entrepreneurs to defer their federal student loan payments for up to three years while they build their businesses. During that three-year period, interest would also stop building on the loans. To qualify for the program, borrowers would need to prove they’ve started a new venture, likely by showing articles of incorporation that they’ve filed with state officials. Borrowers who start new businesses in distressed communities would be eligible for up to $17,500 in student loan forgiveness after five years under Clinton’s plan. i can't decide whether it was written by the same people who then made it onto kamala's team, or if her people instead went "nah, we can do better than that" and came up with almost the same garbage
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lol do you remember hillary clinton's student loan forgiveness plan Virtually the entire leadership of the Harris campaign was Clinton staff, so yeah, they basically just took the same policies they'd floated in 2016 and "improved" them.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:That's really cool. Do you have any handed-down family stories? My parents lost a lot of friends in Jonestown. They met at SFSU and married on Angel Island. My great great grandparents owned the first green grocer in Marin, they moved there when it was an Irish railroad town. A grandpa was a milkman for Foremost. One set of grandparents wrote love letters during WWII while grandma worked the yards in Richmond building planes and grandpa was secretly stationed on Angel Island, his letters were heavily redacted because it was secret location but he'd look across the Bay and think of her. Very romantic. My dad hired Big Brother + Janis to play his high school dance and went to pretty much every famous concert 68-74. He was at most of the big protests and you can see him in some of the White Night protests. My mom door knocked for Harvey Milk. I have some cool paintings from my Great Aunt of the Bay from the 40s and 50s. I have a relative that owned a rock quarry in what is now the Mayacamas range, his funeral (circa 90? 92?) was insane. A second cousin by marriage ran the only funeral home in Napa county when it was still an unknown backwoods. Almost all my families are teachers, so they've had some neat students. Greg12 posted:nothing more san franciscan than using longevity in-place to establish legitimacy Get hosed, rear end in a top hat. Working class people in the Bay Area have been a dying breed for a long time and techies will scrape my cold dead corpse out after my dying breath. E: furthermore, I spend most of my time in labor organizing, water drops at the border and harm reduction outreach work and my partner does beautiful community murals, so truly, eat my entire rear end. It's my loving city and I do a fuckin lot to try to make it a better place for everyone. MAKE NO BABBYS fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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adoration for none posted:Carroll Fife, who played an important role with Moms4Housing, took Lynette McElhaney's Oakland city council seat. McElhaney had opposed attempts to defund the OPD while Fife had that as a plank of her campaign. Yay!! I voted Fife. District 3 represent!!
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