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Raku posted:i wouldn't count on pike being upbeat based on what happens to him in the end he gets to live out his life on the planet of make believe with a 10/10 smoke show
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Raku posted:i wouldn't count on pike being upbeat based on what happens to him in the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pyhiAntIPc&t=120s
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Blistex posted:By next year there will be more people with a Star Trek producing credit than Covid cases. The R0 is significantly greater than one
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A problem I have with the Tuxiv thing is that (beyond the fact that they should have been able to just clone another Tuvok/neelix anyway) is that Tuvok and Neelix were fully merged. It wasn't frankensteined up. Their minds, personality, and memories were one. Tuvix was greater than it's parts. Can you take Tin and Copper, melt them into a mold, and then try and separate the Tin and Copper out of the Brass? No*, you can't. Just like there was no way of separating out which pieces were Tuvok and which were Neelix. yeah yeah, they should be able to separate the bonds with their level of tech
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Nov 6, 2020 05:16
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He never did get to retire and ride horses like he wanted. Then again, he never became an Orion slave trader, either.
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Johnny Aztec posted:A problem I have with the Tuxiv thing is that (beyond the fact that they should have been able to just clone another Tuvok/neelix anyway) you can't just assume two people are okay not being themselves because they can't tell you otherwise.
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tuvix was greater than the sum of his parts in that 8+-4=6, but you still end up with a higher number if you just kill the -4
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CainFortea posted:you can't just assume two people are okay not being themselves because they can't tell you otherwise. Tuvix IS Tuvok and Neelix. Tuvix has all their memories, personalities, everything! I mean, the point is moot because it was done to bring everything back to status quo In a better show, the EMH would say it was impossible to separate them (because it would have been) and they just just load the latest backups and replicate a new Tuvok/Neelix and keep Tuvix as a new crew member. It would provide excellent friction on the ship. Tuvix has all this knowledge and memories of everyone on ship,. but would be a stranger in a way, and Tuvok/neelix would have to come to terms with Tuvix's existence. That, and come to terms with the fact that Tuvix was better together, than they were apart.
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Then Tuvix dies heroically and everyone not only reacts really sadly to their passing, but begin to resent Tuvok and Neelix even more. "It should have been both of you, simultaneously" they'd mutter in the corridor
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Johnny Aztec posted:Tuvix IS Tuvok and Neelix. Tuvix has all their memories, personalities, everything! Being a mixed personality with another person is death to both personalities and creation of a new one. Just because the new one is a blend of the two old ones doesn't mean that the two old ones are there in their unmodified form. It's very specifically not that. Also using the teleporter to just print new crewmembers wouldn't work very well in anything BUT lower decks. And ESPECIALLY poorly in Voyager where the whole tension is "how can we manage to get home with limited resources"
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it's really strange that tuvix wasn't filled with horror by his own existence, what with how half of him absolutely loathed everything about the other half.
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Theory of ST Pike: we listened to you the fans, we're skipping the grimdark for this one, classic Trek! Reality of ST Pike: 13 episodes of Johnny Got His Gun
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Nov 6, 2020 07:06
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All like title music literally an orchestral gospel rendition of Metallica's One
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Nov 6, 2020 07:09
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And the nurse that jerks him off is a weird dumb Klingon? That sounds like something CBS would write
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OR a ghost/alien of course. Perhaps a klingon ghost. jerked by kahless: the captain pike story
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CainFortea posted:Being a mixed personality with another person is death to both personalities and creation of a new one. Yes because Voyager is written as "adventure of the week" with reset buttons. I feel that it wouldn't take too much effort to "fix" the printing clones thing. You could put in such that, while it is POSSIBLE to do so, in the Federation culture, it is considered extremely taboo. not straight up illegal, but looked upon as a vile thing. Janeway wants her companion back so much, that she is willing to bear the black spots on her soul from doing this. Can make it such a strong taboo, that for 99% of cases, it is not even thought of. Like, it never even occurs to most people that it could be a possibility I am thinking of this whole thing, as if from a show that had a long plan story, with lots of character interaction and growth. . Oooh, that adds another layer of Neelix dont really giving a poo poo about being a clone, but Tuvok struggling with an identity crisis. Yes, logically, with a culture of teleporters, cloning via that method, or of replicators should be fine, but like the base concept of Humanity is that we are NOT logical.
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thrilla in vanilla posted:RED SQUAD
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Raku posted:i wouldn't count on pike being upbeat based on what happens to him in the end I really liked the way season 2 brought that up, and even built on The Cage. Season 2 was hit-and-miss, but that was a legitimate hit.
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Third post: I'm listening to a podcast about Chinese history, and one of the (brief) emperors is Guo Rong. But I can only hear
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Johnny Aztec posted:A problem I have with the Tuxiv thing is that (beyond the fact that they should have been able to just clone another Tuvok/neelix anyway) 
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Johnny Aztec posted:Yes because Voyager is written as "adventure of the week" with reset buttons. If they used transporters to routinely make additional copies of people, then it would be too in-your-face that transporters kill you and make a copy and people would get upset.
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hakimashou posted:If they used transporters to routinely make additional copies of people, then it would be too in-your-face that transporters kill you and make a copy and people would get upset. The first point was that Tuvix was an alloy. But I explicitly wrote story in there to explain/prevent why it is NOT routine. which you didnt even read. im a little offended 
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GolfHole posted:from MY point of the view, the PROPHETS are evil
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Maybe I should just sit down and crank out an entire Voyager re-write. MUTHAFUKEN FANFICS UP IN THE DELTA
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Johnny Aztec posted:The first point was that Tuvix was an alloy. nah i read it and considered it and you know, theres that episode of tng where riker gets super indignant that some people are cloning him and murders his clone so maybe you're on to something and they've got that tabboo
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Honestly looking forward to how they're gonna try to justify why with all the retconned in Discovery-era supertech they can't do better for Pike than YES/NO lamps "well, we gave people fully functional cyborg bodies after terrible accidents in the past but, uh, they went bad let's say"
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hakimashou posted:nah i read it and considered it and you know, theres that episode of tng where riker gets super indignant that some people are cloning him and murders his clone so maybe you're on to something and they've got that tabboo I mean, probably a lot of "canon" things are just there due to budget costs. The Federation is often talking about the "sanctity of life" and you could def have a cultural thing where the teleporter is A-okay, but clones just enrage people at the violation though, making clones of a living person without their consent is a pretty big different violation. A clone from someone who died in an accident is a different beast, but I feel that such a culture would not look kindly onto it Hey, Pick was doing all those neat re-designs of Star Trek aliens. Did Pick ever do one for the Ocampah? Johnny Aztec fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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My Lovely Horse posted:Honestly looking forward to how they're gonna try to justify why with all the retconned in Discovery-era supertech they can't do better for Pike than YES/NO lamps "Look; Pike's real hosed up. I mean, he's more microwaved meat than man at this point and he's frankly lucky he can move and beep".
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's really strange that tuvix wasn't filled with horror by his own existence, what with how half of him absolutely loathed everything about the other half. Sounds par for the course to be honest
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Man but TNG S7 has some hokey as gently caress episodes coming out of the woodwork. Gambit is proto-Discovery/Picard, Dark Page was some super melodramatic bullshit, Force of Nature feels like that show don't tell Nedroid comic, needless to say I'm still coming up on the candle episode or these probably wouldn't even register on the scale. Phantasms was really good. Attached had a fun premise and some good character moments. Overall so far S7 feels like dredging the barrel though.
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Oh god wait so do Tuvok and Neelix both have memories of being Tuvix? Do they know what Janeway did? Do they remember protesting for their collective life? Does Neelix now know everything about Tuvok because his brain was in the same jar and vice versa??
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Neddy Seagoon posted:"Look; Pike's real hosed up. I mean, he's more microwaved meat than man at this point and he's frankly lucky he can move and beep". "OK Captain before we get your cyborg body up and running I'm legally required to ask some questions. 1) Do you want a sicknasty cyborg body?" NO "Heh, what, you just going to stay in the legal questions formality box forever?" YES "That's... uh... What? Are you sure you want that?" YES "...is it a fetish thing?" YES YES YES "OK I'm going to put a note on your file that you asked for this and you're into it. Not to kink shame but this makes me very uncomfortable so we're never going to talk about this again." YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES Splicer fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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pike cant even tell anyone the nurses are stealing his social security check hows he supposed to run a staship
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womb with a view posted:Oh god wait so do Tuvok and Neelix both have memories of being Tuvix? Do they know what Janeway did? Do they remember protesting for their collective life? Does Neelix now know everything about Tuvok because his brain was in the same jar and vice versa?? I'm doing a full Trek rewatch so when I get there i'll look into this. Also, i'd like to point out that transporter patterns are too large to keep copies of. Also reading of the pattern destroys it in the buffer. Tuvix gets separated by radio tagging genomes (which is a particularly hand wavey woo woo way of doing it).
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Didn't the fat beardo get cloned by transporter in TNG
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It's almost like the writers are just making poo poo up! It's a sham everyone
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Yes, but that was a split annular confinement beam, not a copied pattern in the pattern buffer.
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