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Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
Are the Trussell Trust still the go to foodbank charity to support?

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Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


Well, job update, my boss looked at the law with the company lawyers and realised there is nothing stopping them furloughing me during a notice period, so they’ve decided to do that so I can spend my time looking for a job rather than being depressed all the time, so that’s good of them. Now I just need to find a job in COVID hell economy 2020.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Pilchenstein posted:

Are the Trussell Trust still the go to foodbank charity to support?

They're a bit Christian apparently so some people prefer fareshare

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

I am sympathetic to the idea that common characteristics of pseudolaw speak to something fundamental in the human psyche rather than being always a purely cynical intention to deceive

(that element of the psyche being what malfunctions to a severe degree in schizophrenia or assorted delusional misidentifications)
I don't think many of the sovcits are doing it to deceive, in some cases they literally believe that the law works like that, and there's certain phrases that a judge or police officer must respond to in a certain way.

How deep that goes depends on the individual, whether it's just "it says this in [the] Magna Carta and they told me that that's the foundation of English law in school, so I must be able to say it too" to full blown Q.

Then there's a bunch who are just in on the grift selling fake tax packs, and a bunch who are bearing false witness because at some level they know that having a magic phrase that stops you having to pay tax would break the tax system instantly etc. but keep saying so because it gives them a sense of control and understanding of the world.

But yes, there does seem to be some crossover with, say, the reasons that people are interested in the occult, as ways of understanding what's going on outside of the realm of formal religion/law.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

Communist Thoughts posted:

The only British politician who isn't actively offensive to the eyes is future PM Priti Patel.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

Continuity RCP posted:

They're a bit Christian apparently so some people prefer fareshare
Exactly the kind of info I wanted, cheers mate

Skeletome
Feb 4, 2011

Tell them about the tournament!

lol i was made redundant on friday and they've put me back on furlough, I reckon its so they dont have to pay me the 10k redundancy pay

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/itvtynetees/status/1324796458797772802

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Drone_Fragger posted:

Well, job update, my boss looked at the law with the company lawyers and realised there is nothing stopping them furloughing me during a notice period, so they’ve decided to do that so I can spend my time looking for a job rather than being depressed all the time, so that’s good of them. Now I just need to find a job in COVID hell economy 2020.

Why can't they furlough you all the way until March?

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

It only took a couple of hours from Thursday’s announcement for HR to send an all staff email that they would be continuing with all redundancies planned for December and not delaying to use furlough instead. Happy Xmas everyone!

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Is Owen Jones a Blairite now? Has he been cast out for being uncorrect?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Nutapii posted:

I wonder how they reconcile the numbers game. I met someone who was absolutely convinced the ministers "silver card" to let you through police roadblocks from Yes, Minister was a real secret thing; and just in terms of how many police are recruited, retire, get halfway through training and drop out, leave after a year etc. etc. there's no way that would stay secret, let alone the notion of an oath that you have to take halfway through your shift or an arrest doesn't count (or, from the adverts in the back of 90s magazines, that the traffic car had been fully calibrated that morning to issue your speeding ticket). And that if these things were true, well of course these loopholes would be closed immediately, what possible incentive would there be to leave them accidentally open?

It sort-of was sort-of real, in that ministers (and senior civil servants) would have permits to park on Horse Guards Parade, directly behind Downing Street and the Cabinet Office - in the days before ubiquitous ID cards, it was a way of proving that you were a VIP and of course that's likely to get you rather more lenient treatment. It was only likely to work on the Met, and it certainly wasn't a Get Out Of Jail Free card, but it probably would have been enough to get you out of a traffic offence, even drink-driving.

I've no idea if the permit was silver or not, and like I say it never had any kind of actual legal standing, but it's the sort of thing that gets amplified by rumour into "Oh yeah the PM has a special badge that lets him break any law".

(Note that this itself may also be urban legend, but it's one that at least fits a bit more comfortably into the way the law - and the class system - works in this country)

e2a a paragraph I forgot to include after I realised another example I was going to give is like 20 years out of date and I'm very old

The proliferation of One Weird Trick type things is I think based on a combination of these sort of kernel-of-truth urban legends - like your example of the calibrated speedo, it was true for a while *if the Plod were lazy in how they phrased the charge* and did get a few people off speeding tickets - and the observable effects of the class system and having enough money for good lawyers, meaning some people get away with murder (sometimes literally) while others get screwed over for the tiniest thing.

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Nov 6, 2020

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The Commons has a magic stick that lets it make any law, which is more bizarre the longer you think about it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

The Commons has a magic stick that lets it make any law, which is more bizarre the longer you think about it.

No weirder than that that stick shows that the entire constitutional authority of the legislature of a nuclear-armed nation is based on the say-so of someone whose only qualification for the role is that they're the nearest living relative to a random European minor monarch who had never visited the country, as long as they don't worship God in a certain way. And that that rule was passed by that legislature, who derived that authority from the say-so of... well you get the idea.

e: The sceptre is the crowbar in the sealed box of our constitution.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
There's about 20 people at my workplace getting made redundant (or I guess just let go if they're contractors), turns out that pharma isn't safe, if you're making chemicals for operations and they're not happening because all the doctors are going to be too busy with covid

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Watching CNN is just hilarious, it’s switched away from pretending to be serious news people yesterday to just journalists having run out of fucks and deciding to just go off on Trump, his family and his friends, and election officals with a blood caffeine level of 100% proof.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
I want a UK general election to produce as much great content as this one is

https://twitter.com/MrTooDamnChris/status/1324736864511614976

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
https://twitter.com/learnincurve11/status/1324766040849588225

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

notaspy posted:

Is Owen Jones a Blairite now? Has he been cast out for being uncorrect?

He's always been melty - spent a lot of time under Miliband talking to the left and saying that they need to get involved with Labour but took him years to get behind Corbyn and has sort of resumed his Miliband position now that Starmer is in charge. This announcement that he'd like the left to fund a tv channel for him without actually risking too much himself or offering control to the funders is probably getting quite a backlash.

Edit: Also no Owen Jones OnlyFans so many people are disappointed.

namesake fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Nov 6, 2020

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


I actually approve, means you don't have to take the halloween decs down you just upgrade them to war xmas.

Then you can put a santa suit over the nazi uniform.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I want a UK general election to produce as much great content as this one is

https://twitter.com/MrTooDamnChris/status/1324736864511614976

This is a classic manoeuvre

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Then you can put a santa suit over the nazi uniform.
Then this happens.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

namesake posted:

He's always been melty - spent a lot of time under Miliband talking to the left and saying that they need to get involved with Labour but took him years to get behind Corbyn and has sort of resumed his Miliband position now that Starmer is in charge. This announcement that he'd like the left to fund a tv channel for him without actually risking too much himself or offering control to the funders is probably getting quite a backlash.

Edit: Also no Owen Jones OnlyFans so many people are disappointed.

Ty for the reply.

I can understand the anger at the lack of an OnlyFans, he is very cute.

Is modern day Milibandism seen as liberal or left? Guessing the lack of nationalising everything is the ultimate indicator.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

notaspy posted:

Is modern day Milibandism seen as liberal or left? Guessing the lack of nationalising everything is the ultimate indicator.

Well I characterise Corbynism as liberal social democracy with socialist clothing so I'm probably not really the right person to give the common perspective on Milibandism but given that people now know Corbynism can exist as a ideology I reckon most Labour people would see it as liberal. He's still probably a raging commie to the rest of the country though.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
My deepest sad lol is that the loving Daily Mail turned on a penny from him being a "rootless marxist intellectual north london geek who was bad a sports and had two kitchens and his dad ran away from poland" to Corbyn being an antisemite.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Holy fuckballs

https://twitter.com/aleksnotalex/status/1324826851764744193

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


A much funnier take on that scene:

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1324732104572346369?s=20

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

This is just a reheated Bernie meme, but it's still good

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Failed Imagineer posted:

This is just a reheated Bernie meme, but it's still good

Yeah but the Bernie one is less applicable and makes me a bit sad :(

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

100% recycled memes.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Upcycled memes.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Communist Thoughts posted:

The only British politician who isn't actively offensive to the eyes is future PM Priti Patel.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy
The podcast has a new shirt out, half the money goes to FareShareUK
https://twitter.com/PraxisCast/status/1324824195453329420

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Sanford posted:

this. Praise to your friend for their mental fortitude & I hope it does some good. I don't have the stuff yet - my sister is bringing it for me. In advance though here is the payoff of my dog's previous short film, about Brexit:

:siren: WARNING: DOG poo poo :siren:

Yeah thanks in advance! Don't forget to give Comrade Doggo a treat for every turd that lands on the thing.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

I am sympathetic to the idea that common characteristics of pseudolaw speak to something fundamental in the human psyche rather than being always a purely cynical intention to deceive
Some of the things in that Otherlaw seem to be things with actual historical precedent just woefully (or willfully) misinterpreted.

Like the postage stamps thing, I'm fairly sure that until quite recently you could pay certain government departments with certain postage stamps rather than the usual method of paying things. I remember in the early 00s getting a letter from the Inland Revenue (as it was then) saying that I owed something like 43p in income tax, and that I should pay it immediately by cheque, postal order, or bank transfer or face possible criminal sanction.

So I gave it the reverence that a threat of prosecution over 43p deserves and sent it back with 43p worth of currency denominated Post Office stamps on the bottom of it.

That was explicitly a legal thing to do in the Victorian era through to the Second World War, stamps with a currency value rather than 1st or 2nd were often dual purpose postage and revenue stamps, like the penny lilac, but it is (probably?) not the case now, and it definitely doesn't (and never has) turn any document you attach stamps to into a government or revenue document. I'm not sure when the change was made.

e: It was definitely legal until at least 2009, because these existed:

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Nov 7, 2020

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
The Guardian, I can only assume accidently, ran a legit interesting opinion piece today https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/nov/06/macron-french-muslims-place-in-republic-secular-multiculturalism

Resisting the temptation to pick up on every little sentence it's really rare to see someone be supportive of multiculturalism while also acknowledging and doing strong apologia for the big gaping flaw in it. I absolutely hate and disagree with it, this idea that every element of peoples lives should be reduced to a 'pick-off-the-menu' list of profoundly unchallenging, essentially aesthetic choices is disgusting anywhere but especially in France, but I dunno made me think it's a good article.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

Some of the things in that Otherlaw seem to be things with actual historical precedent just woefully (or willfully) misinterpreted.

Like the postage stamps thing, I'm fairly sure that until quite recently you could pay certain government departments with certain postage stamps rather than the usual method of paying things. I remember in the early 00s getting a letter from the Inland Revenue (as it was then) saying that I owed something like 43p in income tax, and that I should pay it immediately by cheque, postal order, or bank transfer or face possible criminal sanction.

So I gave it the reverence that a threat of prosecution over 43p deserves and sent it back with 43p worth of currency denominated Post Office stamps on the bottom of it.

That was explicitly a legal thing to do in the Victorian era through to the Second World War, stamps with a currency value rather than 1st or 2nd were often dual purpose postage and revenue stamps, like the penny lilac, but it is (probably?) not the case now, and it definitely doesn't (and never has) turn any document you attach stamps to into a government or revenue document. I'm not sure when the change was made.

e: It was definitely legal until at least 2009, because these existed:


You used stamps to bring postal orders (which were only sold in fixed denominations) up to a specific value so presumably anywhere that was processing postal orders could just stick them on to ones they were already processing to get the money back.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






ThomasPaine posted:

You would think that Sovcits would realise how silly they are being when they declare themselves a boat or whatever the hell they do to avoid arrest, and get arrested anyway. Seems like pretty hard evidence that their secret magic legal get out spell doesn't, in fact, work at all.

Magical thinking is only made stronger by being proved wrong. I remember someone having done research into the belief in magical rituals making people bulletproof during conflicts in IIRC Nigeria. If there was ever a belief you’d think would be disproved extremely fast it’s that one, but apparently when people claiming to be bulletproof got got the belief not only persisted but was strengthened.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


lmbo

BBC: Corporal punishment ban in Scotland posted:

A campaign against the ban was led by the Be Reasonable Scotland group, which called the legislation "draconian" and argued it could do more harm than good.

A spokesman said: "In the years ahead, loving parents who have had no contact with the authorities previously and who present no risk to their children will face stressful intervention, blacklisting on police databases and even criminal records for smacking. The majority of Scots see this as an injustice, not a positive change."

my heart goes out to all those parents who can't stop beating their kids

wait no, it doesn't

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ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
There’s nothing that justifies it. Like, at stretch, situations where children put themselves into mortal danger (running into traffic, poking the electric socket, that sort of affair) are the only thing that comes remotely close and even that has issues.

We’ve just progressed beyond this crap.

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