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The issue with dining-in/bars is outdoor seating really isn't going to be possible in the NW to March/April, but the PPP program is starting to run out which means a bunch of businesses which likely have nearly zero income until this wave is over (and usually winter businesses is lower anyway). It is why Oregon is pretty much banning private gatherings but keeping the restaurants/bars open for business. It isn't going to work though. That said, Oregon was still one of the better states, but it is clear there were choices that were made that would allow the virus to continue to persist until the conditions were right again (especially in institutions like nursing homes/prisons/food processing) and dining/bars allowed it to accelerate. Everyone knew months ago there would be a large autumn wave, but generally it was allowed to pass because it would mean a loss of business. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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I walked by a packed bar today and could not understand it. A plate of appz and a beer doesn't magically make it okay to sit around in recirculated air with strangers.
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:I walked by a packed bar today and could not understand it. A plate of appz and a beer doesn't magically make it okay to sit around in recirculated air with strangers. Sometimes a business needs a bit of human sacrifice...
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Nov 7, 2020 05:53
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the mozzarella cheese sticks are worth dying for
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In local elections news, all of the King County charters look to be passing at between 85% to 55%*. This is an unmitigated good thing. *as I type this I'm wondering if we have thay weird threshold for passing. something to look up. e: no threshold, the gently caress The Sherrifs amendments definitely passing, lots of wailing articles everywhere. Gerund fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Nov 9, 2020 |
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now that the election’s over i wonder if we’ll get any candidates announcing their run for seattle mayor before the end of the year i have heard a lot of rumblings that mosqueda will go for it, and it sounded like nikkita swore off another run but she has also made some tweets suggesting she might jenny gotta go (which she probably will...... to the biden admin...... as secretary of crowd control)
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Nov 9, 2020 18:52
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:now that the election’s over i wonder if we’ll get any candidates announcing their run for seattle mayor before the end of the year I think Mosqueda is a genuine bright spot on the SCC and would vote for her as mayor in a second. She's got a rare combination of grinding out the policy work and sticking to some level of principle.
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Nov 9, 2020 18:58
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:now that the election’s over i wonder if we’ll get any candidates announcing their run for seattle mayor before the end of the year The city council is working on next year's budget right now and Mosqueda is chair of the budget committee so there's almost no way she declares in the next several weeks, she is already mega busy right now. But if I was her I'd want to declare as early as possible next year. Get on the record as a frontrunner candidate and maybe fewer other challengers from the left declare themselves. You don't want to wait until there are a dozen people already in the race.
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Nov 9, 2020 19:48
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gohuskies posted:The city council is working on next year's budget right now and Mosqueda is chair of the budget committee so there's almost no way she declares in the next several weeks, she is already mega busy right now. But if I was her I'd want to declare as early as possible next year. Get on the record as a frontrunner candidate and maybe fewer other challengers from the left declare themselves. You don't want to wait until there are a dozen people already in the race. Unless one of those dozen is a legitimate heavy-hitter or Teargas Jenny gets a Biden Admin lifeboat, she will be the frontrunner the minute she declares. Her eyes have been laser-focused on the Mayor chair for years.
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I would love Nikkita to run again, but based on what they said I don't see them running again. Given what Portland went through re-electing Tear Gas Teddy, I'm genuinely concerned we'll have an Abilene Paradox and re-elect Durkan should she seek another term.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:55
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gonna have some good cranks running i bet, maybe a loser city council candidate (ari hoffman, officer sergio) will give it a go in the primary i hope shaun scott runs for an at large seat, with how close it was against pedersen i think he’d have a good shot at winning
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:gonna have some good cranks running i bet, maybe a loser city council candidate (ari hoffman, officer sergio) will give it a go in the primary
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Mapps is making it very clear he's a shithead and he's not even sworn in yet - https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2020/11/06/commissioner-elect-mingus-mapps-blisters-portland-protesters-referring-to-some-as-the-white-mob/quote:"On a personal level, I want to say something to Commissioner Ryan: I feel you," Mapps said. "Your story reminds me of my story and it reminds me of the African American story.…I know what it's like to wait up for the white mob to roll up on your house in the middle of the night because you have the audacity to vote or you had the audacity to hope." Mapps is talking about people protesting at Ryan's house after he did an about-face and voted against a small cut to the PPB budget after campaigning on the assertion that they needed to do even more than the small proposed cut. A brand new Portland city commissioner is already working to flatten the protests in Portland into a modern KKK rally. jkyuusai fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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Mingus Mapps more like this dingus is crapps! *Sharp nose exhale*
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Varinn posted:by god is that egan orions music drat that would be incredible, completely forgot about him and would love to see him get rinsed again i wonder if any has-runs will go for a council seat, like sara nelson or heidi wills Thanatosian posted:Those seats are held by Mosqueda and Gonzales right now; if one of them bails for mayor, that'd be good, but I don't see much reason for a hard progressive push at getting them out. They're not the best, but they're pretty deece. yeah i suppose i was assuming at least one of them will run for mayor, so there will likely be an open seat to run for
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Varinn posted:by god is that egan orions music I thought he turned back into bioreactor feedstock after Amazon disconnected the Life Emitter.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:yeah i suppose i was assuming at least one of them will run for mayor, so there will likely be an open seat to run for
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:jenny gotta go (which she probably will...... to the biden admin...... as secretary of crowd control) Let's be honest here, that would first require someone on the national stage to acknowledge that Washington State even exists.
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Solkanar512 posted:Let's be honest here, that would first require someone on the national stage to acknowledge that Washington State even exists. I could see Inslee in a Biden cabinet. Maybe we'd matter then. (Still never mattering.)
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BlueBlazer posted:I could see Inslee in a Biden cabinet. Maybe we'd matter then. Inslee just won a bigger electoral mandate than Biden, I don't see him moving unless the bait is positively rapturous. Like becoming Harris' VP.
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Solkanar512 posted:Let's be honest here, that would first require someone on the national stage to acknowledge that Washington State even exists. People talked about CHAZ, lol.
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RuanGacho posted:Inslee just won a bigger electoral mandate than Biden, I don't see him moving unless the bait is positively rapturous. He's also recently discovered that he can influence national politics via his AG and other state government actions, so I can't imagine Inslee leaving the warm, comfortable embrace of Washington state for a C-tier post in a Biden administration that's a) well to the right of him on the issues like climate change he cares about and b) hosed by our national politics and the Republicans which will hamstring their ability to do anything much less give him authority at the EPA to pursue what he sees as the public interest. I don't think he's going anywhere.
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Crumbskull posted:People talked about CHAZ, lol. Yes, but our only other contribution to national political discussion was the WTO protest 20 years ago. We were barely acknowledged for our part in OWS. When I think of what a washington state having a strong presence in national political discussion would look like, I think of something like how msnbc has been constantly sucking Cuomo's dick throughout the covid pandemic just because he stood up to president cheeto. Could you ever imagine a theoretical Governor Sawant getting that kind of attention? Hell, imagine Inslee getting that kind of attention. It probably doesn't matter though. If we can do more lefty stuff in our state, I think we'll be fine without national recognition.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Yes, but our only other contribution to national political discussion was the WTO protest 20 years ago. We were barely acknowledged for our part in OWS. Passing the $15 minimum wage got a lot of stories where "Seattle is going to Detroit itself". Washington state has around half the population of NY and Florida and Pennsylvania. We're the size of Arizona, Tennesseee, Indiana and Mass and are discussed equivalently.
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Gerund posted:Passing the $15 minimum wage got a lot of stories where "Seattle is going to Detroit itself". Its funny because now Florida just passed $15 minimum wage. Also, Washington (alongside Colorado) was the first state to legalize weed and now every state that puts it on the ballot sees it pass. Even red states like Mississippi.
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PNW is pretty much the "grassroots" of American Leftism in terms of all the regions in the United States. At least when speaking to say the layman Midwesterner.
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I think it's important for us to realize that policies that are considered center-left or even centrist here are viewed as extremely left in basically the rest of the country.
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Kirios posted:I think it's important for us to realize that policies that are considered center-left or even centrist here are viewed as extremely left in basically the rest of the country. Extremely left when we pass them but then center-left to centrist within a presidential cycle or two* *except for our loving tax code
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Kirios posted:I think it's important for us to realize that policies that are considered center-left or even centrist here are viewed as extremely left in basically the rest of the country. Jeff Bezos put Amazon in Seattle because Washington has the most regressive tax structure in the entire country.
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The Oldest Man posted:Jeff Bezos put Amazon in Seattle because Washington has the most regressive tax structure in the entire country. Wait, that actually works???
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Kirios posted:I think it's important for us to realize that policies that are considered center-left or even centrist here are viewed as extremely left in basically the rest of the country. please name some of these policies
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The Oldest Man posted:Jeff Bezos put Amazon in Seattle because Washington has the most regressive tax structure in the entire country. Oregon stays winning.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:please name some of these policies Starbucks
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punk rebel ecks posted:Oregon stays winning. Eh, Oregon income taxes are nearly a flat tax, it isn't as bad as a sales tax but not by much. Also, Salem is extremely dysfunctional and I think a big part of the reason Oregon did fairly well through the pandemic until now is more do to its population than the state government.
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that seems unfair to the governor, who from what i understand has withstood multiple death threats and a recall attempt over her correct handling of covid? the population of oregon outside the cities seems to be pretty opposed to masks and other sensible measures
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Relevant Tangent posted:that seems unfair to the governor, who from what i understand has withstood multiple death threats and a recall attempt over her correct handling of covid? perhaps we should not be determining the value of kate brown's management of covid based on the responses from unhinged reactionaries that said I agree 100% with Ardennes and will say that the kowtowing to capital that brown exhibited during the initial response to covid set the stage for very awful results that we narrowly dodged IM DAY DAY IRL fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:the population of oregon outside the cities seems to be pretty opposed to masks and other sensible measures Btw quite a few cases were from institutions (especially prisons) that were under state control but ignored but also the state turned a blind eye to food processing and nursing homes. There were high number of cases in certain rural counties (especially on the border with Idaho), but it was larger institutions that kept it going. More recently, in response to record-breaking cases, Brown has limited gatherings to 6 people (not from a single household) but allowed restaurants and bars to have as many 50 patrons without masks on indoors. Basically, it is okay to spread the virus as long as its going to someone's pocket. That said, we have known for months all of this was coming and so did state governments across this country and the common response seems to have been "let them die as long as everything rolling along"....until the point it gets so bad that everyone is terrified to leave their houses again. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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It's weird how much the red parts of Oregon hate Kate Brown. Her reponse to COVID has been tepid at best, but lots of folks hate her with a fiery passion. Oregon hasn't gone nearly far enough. So far, it seems like we've escaped the worst case scenarios through sheer luck.
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Schwack posted:It's weird how much the red parts of Oregon hate Kate Brown. Her reponse to COVID has been tepid at best, but lots of folks hate her with a fiery passion. Oregon hasn't gone nearly far enough. So far, it seems like we've escaped the worst case scenarios through sheer luck. I would hold onto our butts until we are in past the weeks of sub-60 temps before saying we missed anything, personally. The AC belt got wrecked during the summer because they didn't lock down and couldn't hang around outside in parks.
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