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Jeffrey Combs is the highlight of Enterprise. Watching people be dicks to Vulcans is one of the good parts of the series.
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And watching Vulcans completely and rightly clown on humans is also good.
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Two thoughts as I continue slowly through TOS: 1) How many plots are going to be "Enterprise finds a planet upon which things from their minds are manifested into reality/their perceptions are messed with to believe in illusions. everyone plays along for 35 minutes while spock calls it illogical. at the end of the episode it's revealed that the planet is inhabited by a race of Higher Beings who either misunderstood humanity or deliberately hosed with them" because there have been at LEAST five so far. (as of season 1 episode 21) 2) emotional races in star trek be like "today i will microaggress a vulcan repeatedly"
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curiousTerminal posted:Two thoughts as I continue slowly through TOS: this will only happen more and more
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I was surprised how many episodes were just ‘an alternate Earth’
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Thanatosian posted:Watching people be dicks to Vulcans is one of the good parts of the series. Quark owning a vulcan with facts and logic is one of star trek's finest moments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQcGzbpN7s
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Nov 21, 2020 08:00
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FlamingLiberal posted:I was surprised how many episodes were just ‘an alternate Earth’ Even when the "exactly like Earth" factor never actually mattered at all *cough*Miri*cough*
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Nov 21, 2020 08:04
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Thanatosian posted:Watching people be dicks to Vulcans is one of the good parts of the series. Vulcans are full of poo poo because "smugness" is absolutely an emotion and they make no effort to rein that particular emotion in whatsoever. They deserve to be mercilessly clowned on for it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I was surprised how many episodes were just ‘an alternate Earth’ TOS is a weird show to watch all the way through if your only prior exposure to it was a greatest hits reel. My dad and my aunt used to buy me VHS copies of TOS episodes when I was little and I watched them constantly, but it was literally like I had a physical version of a 20 best episodes listicle. Watching the series all the way through much later was, uh, enlightening.
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I feel that the writers are never really consistent on what "logic" means. A lot of the time it seems like they're acting like "logical" things are self-evident rather than the result of some line of reasoning.
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Paradoxish posted:TOS is a weird show to watch all the way through if your only prior exposure to it was a greatest hits reel.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I feel that the writers are never really consistent on what "logic" means. A lot of the time it seems like they're acting like "logical" things are self-evident rather than the result of some line of reasoning. 'Axioms are true' is a logical statement, just a tautological one
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TOS and a few Voyager seasons are the only live action ST I haven’t seen. I’m sure I’ll finish Voyager at some point. It’s hard to want to watch TOS with some of the posts here.
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I have been mainlining Trek for 25 years and I still haven't been able to make myself sit down and watch all of TOS.
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Star Trek is the best Star Trek show
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Cross-Section posted:He did and it looks amazing What the gently caress Amazon ? How is this not a $4.20 rental ? If I get stoned enough to appreciate it, will I remember to actually watch the thing ?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I have been mainlining Trek for 25 years and I still haven't been able to make myself sit down and watch all of TOS. It's tough. I did it but I can't say it's a good idea. It was more painful than Voyager.
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mllaneza posted:If I get stoned enough to appreciate it, will I remember to actually watch the thing ? Like Cause and Effect, except instead of Frasier, it’s weed.
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TOS is good and if you can't handle it, that's because you're weak and probably going to die
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Tighclops posted:TOS is good and if you can't handle it, that's because you're weak and probably going to die Rest In Peace Nimoy.
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My issues with TOS are the same issues I have with a lot of 60s sci fi (and non-comedy TV) in general: It's slow as hell and is written from the perspective of a society that doesn't exist anymore, so a lot of the plots and characters are vaguely alienating. 60s Doctor Who, TOS, the Time Tunnel, Dark Shadows, all of it feels like it's more informed by Stage Theater than by TV. It's also clearly padding for time due to low budget so there's a lot of held shots and scenes that go on for much too long. The only reason I've been able to watch it is because I do it as background noise while doing other things. Household chores, the extremely repetitive extra hours that work is giving me right now (I am manually putting a half sheet of paper into a flat sheet envelope. for 8 hours straight). It's fun and campy, but god is it hard to sit down and watch.
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skasion posted:Star Trek is the best Star Trek show
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Honestly after recently rewatching TOS you can pretty much just watch the 15-20 good episodes and skip the rest There is almost no continuity between episodes for the most part so you aren't missing anything when you skip something like 'Miri' My personal list would be- Where No Man Has Gone Before The Corbomite Maneuver Balance of Terror The Galileo Seven Arena Space Seed The Devil in the Dark Errand of Mercy The City on the Edge of Forever Amok Time Mirror, Mirror The Doomsday Machine Journey to Babel The Trouble With Tribbles The Immunity Syndrome The Ultimate Computer The Enterprise Incident The Tholian Web Day of the Dove That's 19 total. Only 3 from Season 3. One other big problem with TOS is that they love to recycle the same concepts a lot. You have like 5 of the 'Kirk and/or Spock are forced to fight to the death' episodes, and also a bunch of 'X person/group tries to take over the Enterprise' FlamingLiberal fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Nov 22, 2020 |
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curiousTerminal posted:My issues with TOS are the same issues I have with a lot of 60s sci fi (and non-comedy TV) in general: It's slow as hell and is written from the perspective of a society that doesn't exist anymore, so a lot of the plots and characters are vaguely alienating.
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I like the relative slowness for atmosphere.
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I like TOS' slowness too. Media tends to be so ADHD these days that it's nice to watch something that takes its time to build up.
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The dearth of lengthy commercial breaks in an old show is refreshing. Characters can have meaningful, in-depth conversations. Actors can chew scenery. Even though TNG only started 20 years later, you can already see how the increase in commercials affects what the writers can do. Things gotta be wrapped up quick so Pizza Hut and Pepsi can get into your brain.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I like TOS' slowness too. Media tends to be so ADHD these days that it's nice to watch something that takes its time to build up. And there’s no excuse when your show doesn’t have to fit in a regular TV time slot because you are on streaming
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FlamingLiberal posted:Honestly after recently rewatching TOS you can pretty much just watch the 15-20 good episodes and skip the rest My list is a lot longer. Like, a lot a lot.
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That's definitely a solid "greatest hits" list but I do remember some of the less-celebrated ones being decent. Like "Metamorphosis," or that one with the salt vampire.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's 19 total. Only 3 from Season 3. I'd add A Taste of Armageddon to the list to round it out to 20. It moves pretty quickly, it's got Scotty in charge, and it feels vaguely like modern Trek outside of the implication that, uh, Starfleet has a general order for "just loving destroy this whole planet from orbit"
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There are others in a second tier but I consider those ‘essential’
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The Enemy Within, All Our Yesterdays and Spectre of the Gun are, in my opinion, three solid episodes. Fans sometimes get hung up on the cheesy acting in Enemy Within, but I like the philosophy of that episode even if Shatner's acting is dialed up to eleven. But I pretty much agree with the list.
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It’s worth watching all of the show imo. There is a diversity of episodes and different ones will appeal to different people, even if there is a generally agreed-on core of classics. One of its biggest advantages over the other shows is its weirdness and experimental quality. Sometimes this works out, other times you get The Alternative Factor or Children Shall Lead.
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The ideal way to watch TOS seems to more or less be the way it was originally assumed people would watch it: to catch roughly 50% of the episodes, hopefully the best ones, and then eventually find the rest in reruns.
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Sir Lemming posted:The ideal way to watch TOS seems to more or less be the way it was originally assumed people would watch it: to catch roughly 50% of the episodes, hopefully the best ones, and then eventually find the rest in reruns. The show's appeal made a lot more sense to me when I started walking in partway through un-remastered episodes at 3am on Nick at Nite.
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the proper way to experience star trek is indeed at 3am in a darkened room or preferably wood panelled basement on a flickering CRT television, either during summer break from school or after a long and arduous night shift at work
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My first exposure to Trek was when it was in syndication and it was competing with first run Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica, and even to my very young eyes Trek was more compelling, although not more visually exciting.
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TOS has plenty of faults, but I'm kind of surprised to hear that people consider it "slow" or dull. (Certain episodes excepted.) Even when nothing much is happening, it's full of bombastic scoring, bright colors, snappy dialogue, and strongly defined characters. And plenty of redshirt deaths. But shows definitely have evolved in pacing; one of my favorite series that I watched first-run in the '80s was St. Elsewhere. I bought the 1st season DVDs a while back and tried to rewatch and just could not get through it. Maybe i should go back and finish because Covid has depleted most of my "watch this sometime" backlog.
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