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He retired extremely young and built a ridiculously nice house deep into the countryside to get away from people and look after a bunch of animals with my aunt and I plan to move there if an apocalypse happens. Yes he has properly secured guns It's on Airbnb though so lol
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Soricidus posted:So, hands up who’s excited for a nice normal family Christmas? Can’t wait to give granny the ultimate gift I mean my nice normal family Christmas is at home with my wife and cat so nothing new there then this year.
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My mum is being very insistent that I come home for Christmas. It'd just be mum, dad and myself and last time I visited (back in October) I don't think my folks saw my lower jaw during that entire time. Part of me really doesn't want to go back. I don't want to risk infecting either of them.
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Josef bugman posted:My mum is being very insistent that I come home for Christmas. Don't go then. If they complain, it's better than them dying. If they're unrelenting, don't answer their phone calls, or agree to go then fall mysteriously ill on the day. This is a good impulse, don't ignore it. Not going is the right thing under the circumstances.
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thespaceinvader posted:Don't go then. My mums had mental health stuff all of this year and is just about getting back on her feet and I... I don't really know how to say "no" to folks. That and I can't even fall back on the "government guidelines" stuff. At least then they'd listen to me. I wish I could make them understand that I'm trying to keep them safe.
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thespaceinvader posted:Not going is the right thing under the circumstances. drat right. Josef bugman posted:My mums had mental health stuff all of this year and is just about getting back on her feet and I... I don't really know how to say "no" to folks. Give her a link to an account of what happens to you in hospital, the diarrhea bags, the 12 hour turnings so you don't suffocate or drown in your own lungs, the facial scarring from the nose tube strapped to for so long. Then say that you don't want to risk it, who knows who last touched that petrol pump at the petrol station on the way to see them, or door to the shop you touched 1 week ago. Totally worth it for a few hours of mince pies and watching Shrek 2 on the TV together. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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Worse than that, I'd be going up by train! But she won't though, I don't really want to put pressure on someone who is already petrified of death (that was the MH problem to vastly oversimplify things). I know you folks are right its just getting them to listen. I think dad will understand but sometimes mum doesn't cope well with stuff.
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I've brewed four different beers, a cider and a wine in time for Christmas and plan to spend it in blissful, boozy quiet with my partner and the dog. We told our families in September that flying internationally just didn't look like a thing that would be happening this year, we'll do a video chat and see you once travel carries less of a risk of plague with it.
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happyhippy posted:No loving way! There's not a huge amount to tell - me and a couple of my mates were at the market and this film crew came past filming this made Scottish bloke. He actually shouted at my mate calling him a naughty naughty boy and wagging his finger - I was sure it made it into the final cut of the video but it's never been in any version I've seen on Youtube, I dunno if there was a longer version or something? Coincidentally the pair of us were huge Sadowitz fans having heard Gobshite, his only album, but didn't twig that was him until his video came out a little bit later. The funny thing is me and the mate who got shouted at have completely different memories of where it actually was - I'm certain it's Cheshire Street, which is part of Brick Lane Market, he's convinced it's Roman Road Market (we tended to go to both, Roman Road is a Saturday market, Brick Lane's on Sunday) and there's not even a tiebreaker in the video itself because the other scenes are split between Brick Lane and Bow.
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There's no way my parents are letting me get away with not visiting, especially since mine and my dad's birthdays are a few days after Christmas, but they said they would probably come and get me - it's not a short journey, but not too long either. In which case I'd get enough food in and isolate for two weeks beforehand.
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Just email everyone a link to jinglecats on youtube and spend christmas day with your phone off drinking 2 boxes of asda rose wine and eating a whole bag of mccain potato smiles imo
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My parents will be visiting us in a new house we’ll have moved into on the 11th (assuming they’re allowed to anyway). We’ve never hosted Christmas before and this plan was made when we expected to be moving in October. I see no way this ends horribly for all concerned.
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I've just been filling out the EU settlement application (yes I know it's late but I've been out of the country for a bit) and amusingly enough it's still in "BETA" as it says in big letters and disclaimers, while, uhh, less than 40 days from the actual Brexit. I'm wondering if they'll have a 'golden master' version ready for Brexit Day.
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Everyone stand respectfully to watch the royal majesty highness queen of all the merry Engerland give her queen speech to the nation  on the tullavision set
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Our best friends and neighbours just had a baby and they're stupidly lonely so we agreed to do Christmas with them. They've been isolating since Feb like us and are really strict about it. They finally said "gently caress it, we miss you guys" as we haven't had them over to sit in our garden since summer. Kinda terrified as well...As much as I know them well, They're not us, And you can never be 100 percent sure. We did a trial run yesterday as our oven is broken and they doubted I could cook roast potatoes and Yorkshire puddings on our bbq.  Success! Red light was me using the grill (which works despite the oven just blowing warm air) to melt duck fat onto a baking tray til smoking hot then tossing the roasties in. ASDA substituted the turkey crown for turkey medallions so I made schnitzel. Got some funny looks taking a full roast dinner for two on a tray through the neighbourhood but it was well appreciated by the poor knackered couple.
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Mebh posted:Our best friends and neighbours just had a baby and they're stupidly lonely so we agreed to do Christmas with them. They've been isolating since Feb like us and are really strict about it. They finally said "gently caress it, we miss you guys" as we haven't had them over to sit in our garden since summer. well done, those look superb
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:i am staying in london for christmas rather than going home to see family. they have largely taken it with equimanity and we hope to do something over summer instead Your family must be loving licking their lips at their good fortune. loving lol. I enjoyed leaving that here but no pal I'm kidding. I hope you have a nice xmas with or without your family. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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mrpwase posted:I don't know if it applies in this case, but doesn't the GDPR entitle people to know if an automatic decision has been made, and to ask it be reconsidered manually? I don't hold out much hope for that being enforced meaningfully, but I seem to remember something about that in data security training. You can, and in this case they’ll run you through the algorithm manually. It’s unlikely to make a change though - it’s there to catch the machine making errors, rather than challenge the actual scoring mechanism used. But there’s no right to know specifically why you failed it.
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Red Oktober posted:You can, and in this case they’ll run you through the algorithm manually. It’s unlikely to make a change though - it’s there to catch the machine making errors, rather than challenge the actual scoring mechanism used. But there’s no right to know specifically why you failed it. I've said it before but I have bad enough credit score not to qualify for any credit cards or even overdraft, despite having some amount of savings and no missed payments ever of any kind. Must be karma or something. Though I'm sure being a foreigner doesn't help. Which honestly probably makes sense from a risk perspective, I could see foreign nationals being far more likely to run away from a bad debt.
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Private Speech posted:I've said it before but I have bad enough credit score not to qualify for any credit cards or even overdraft, despite having some amount of savings and no missed payments ever of any kind. It does make theoretical sense, but it’s not a factor I’ve ever seen used. Are you registered on the electoral roll? If not then that’s a major ding - but you can help by speaking to the three agencies (in the MSE link below) and sending them some proof of where you live like a utility bill. The order of scoring is almost always: Payment history - you’re good here. Generally around 35% of your score. Credit utilisation - are you at the limits of your lending? That’s bad if so. But you don’t want too much available either, 35% utilisation is good. Credit history length - how long have you had credit for. What types do you have - they like to see a mix of different types. And lastly, any recent ‘hard’ enquiries. This is only when you actually apply for a line of credit - not when you just check if you are eligible. Next time you get a rejection ask foe the agency used - they have to give you this - and check with the agency what information they have on you. I would grab a free copy for each of the three agencies, moneysavingexpert has a guide. If I had to guess then I’d say you either have incomplete address information, or a link to someone with bad history. One last thing people often forget to do is make sure their postal address is correct for all of your billed products. For instance if you have a phone contract but get all your bills online you might not bother to tell them if you move (because they don’t post bills to you). But this will show up as inconsistent addresses when checked.
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The Today programme is really doing a full court press on the "amazing news" - direct quote - that the AstraZeneca vaccine gives 70% protection. Presumably our impartial state broadcaster have been told to give the one vaccine least likely to affected by hosed up post-Brexit logistics the big 'un.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Today programme is really doing a full court press on the "amazing news" - direct quote - that the AstraZeneca vaccine gives 70% protection. Presumably our impartial state broadcaster have been told to give the one vaccine least likely to affected by hosed up post-Brexit logistics the big 'un. That is amazing news though, we've ordered 100M doses of the vaccine so this should effectively mean the entire adult population should now have access to an working vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna kinda spoilt us with their 95% efficacies though, 70%? Pffft E: reading the article, two doses reach 90% efficacy so I'll let them off No Dignity fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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multijoe posted:That is amazing news though, we've ordered 100M doses of the vaccine so this should effectively mean the entire adult population should now have access to an working vaccine. at 70% effectiveness I believe we'll need 80% of the population will need to get to proper herd immunity though, and good luck with that unless it's made mandatory, or at least "voluntary" to an extent that makes it effectively mandatory (i.e. basically no access to the NHS or any other government services without it), something the swivel-eyed wing of the Tories will never let happen. e: to reply to your e: - the two-dose trial is "up to" 90% because it has a much smaller sample size
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multijoe posted:That is amazing news though, we've ordered 100M doses of the vaccine so this should effectively mean the entire adult population should now have access to an working vaccine. Yeah, it’s a bit more nuanced. Two doses gives higher effectiveness, and even at 70% those who did get infected did not get serious symptoms, which is significant.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:at 70% effectiveness I believe we'll need 80% of the population will need to get to proper herd immunity though, and good luck with that unless it's made mandatory, or at least "voluntary" to an extent that makes it effectively mandatory (i.e. basically no access to the NHS or any other government services without it), something the swivel-eyed wing of the Tories will never let happen. I mean we're not that far from it already are we? I thought current potential uptake figures we around 75%, its not hard to think it could be pushed a bit higher with a strong public awareness campaign and the evidence of vaccine working. In any case this is a good news day and I'm not going to fault the press for covering it as such
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I ran into an old neighbour of mine the other day, who was saying that she's never really believed in vaccines & will not be getting it. I pointed out that people will continue to die until everyone is vaccinated, and it is the only way out. She did not argue the toss. The antivax thing is a disturbingly common belief (like the 5G thing), but imo when push comes to shove most people don't really believe it that much
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Borrovan posted:I ran into an old neighbour of mine the other day, who was saying that she's never really believed in vaccines & will not be getting it. I pointed out that people will continue to die until everyone is vaccinated, and it is the only way out. She did not argue the toss. Speaking of 5G  Yes I'm aware it's from 2019 CyberPingu fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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Yeah I think the US has it far worse in that regard - a huge number of people seriously think a vaccine will be detrimental and will refuse it. Here I think it's mostly people who've seen a few anti-vax memes on Facebook and internalised them but don't really take it seriously.
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Borrovan posted:I ran into an old neighbour of mine the other day, who was saying that she's never really believed in vaccines & will not be getting it. I pointed out that people will continue to die until everyone is vaccinated, and it is the only way out. She did not argue the toss. Vigil for Virgil posted:Speaking of 5G
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Borrovan posted:I ran into an old neighbour of mine the other day, who was saying that she's never really believed in vaccines & will not be getting it. I pointed out that people will continue to die until everyone is vaccinated, and it is the only way out. She did not argue the toss. Did you ask her how smallpox and polio were basically eradicated?
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therattle posted:Did you ask her how smallpox and polio were basically eradicated? There's zero point trying to engage a conspiracy theorist in an earnest debate about the merits of their pet theory, because it reinforces that the theory is worth debating, they've got (nonsense) rebuttals for these points anyway, and evidence to the contrary just entrenches their belief. Immediately reframing it so that they have the choice whether or not to say "but my half-baked opinions might not kill a whole loving shittonne of people" will shut down all but the most frothing nutters.
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multijoe posted:E: reading the article, two doses reach 90% efficacy so I'll let them off It's actually weirder than that. Two full doses >1 month apart was 62% effective. A half dose followed by a full dose >1 month later was 90% effective. 70% is the average when combining all the people from both samples. I'm guessing that's not what they expected since they enrolled a lot more people in the full two dose regimen.
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A big takeaway from 2020 for me is how, in a time of unprecedented access to information, people are apparently getting worse at making decisions. It's as if when faced with complicated subjects people read one article, and rather than thinking "gently caress I don't know where to start with this" they instead think "I am now an expert, listen to my half-arsed opinions". It seems to be more severe in the US and I imagine the constant push for self-reliance and rugged individualism is a big factor. --- The half then full dose being better doesn't make a whole lot of sense and tbh I suspect it will turn out to be an artefact. Having said that the adenovirus is itself immunogenic and it's possible a full first dose generates more anti drug antibodies and fails to get the full effect from the booster dose. I know that in previous work the Oxford lab used different viruses for the 2 doses. knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Nov 23, 2020 |
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