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oh yeah i just googled and it's too complicated for me to repeat but yes. you can still spread it via blood hence you get treated like a dirty leper
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the vcjd test requires a biopsy sample from the patient's tonsil and AFAIK there's only one lab that does it in the country.
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hambeet posted:yeah why is mad cow still a thing. can you be a carrier of it or something? You got something to tell us hambeet?
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Tommunist posted:You got something to tell us hambeet?  I did this last night, but was going to replace the pistol with a bolt pistol for the 30K thread
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Knobb Manwich posted:
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Sulla Faex posted:freebooter i apologise but i think i gotta bail on this discussion, i think if we were to keep at it we'd eventually find a happy middle ground, but i cant muster the energy for long posts at the moment. Yeah fair enough. I do think that being in Europe or being in Australia creates a different outlook not just from the actual situation on the ground, but from attitudes; Australia's had an attitude very early on that maybe we can pull the drawbridge up and keep COVID out (even if the government is allergic to the actual word "elimination".) So there is also a mentality and a public expectation (at least that I've seen) that we can go back to normal before a virus; no masks, no social distancing, etc. Some government and health authorities have stressed that we can't actually do that because there's always a risk of future outbreaks. I think New South Wales at least has demonstrated that it's quite possible to keep on top of a miniscule number of cases, and eventually eliminate, without a mask mandate. In Victoria it looks like masks are here to stay for a while, we have zero active cases now and the rules have been relaxed for outdoors but not for anything else.
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Pre-pandemic I would use every single day of my sick leave. Now I have nearly all of it left. There's a huge difference in proposition between working from home while ill (i.e. lurching the few metres from my bed to my desk), and commuting in for an hour while infectious, then being physically at work while infectious). I'm honestly looking at going into work one day a week maximum, with a preference to only come in for necessary meetings or team-building stuff. It'll be a long time before my sector is physically back in the office anyway. And the business proposition is also obvious: why rent CBD office space when you can externalise that cost to your employees?
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The Before Times posted:Pre-pandemic I would use every single day of my sick leave. Now I have nearly all of it left. There's a huge difference in proposition between working from home while ill (i.e. lurching the few metres from my bed to my desk), and commuting in for an hour while infectious, then being physically at work while infectious). On the downside this has really thrown a spanner in the works of chucking fake sickies
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God bless the one term marginal seat MP who has taken over the WA libs, valiantly sacrificing himself in the unwinnable state election.
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Senor Tron posted:God bless the one term marginal seat MP who has taken over the WA libs, valiantly sacrificing himself in the unwinnable state election. The only way an intelligent person would have accepted that job was if they had an agreement that they would not be ousted after this election. So, yeah, byebye Zak.
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freebooter posted:On the downside this has really thrown a spanner in the works of chucking fake sickies Covid test results are less than 24hrs so not really.
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Senor Tron posted:God bless the one term marginal seat MP who has taken over the WA libs, valiantly sacrificing himself in the unwinnable state election. It's a pretty good tactic (for them) to be honest, all but guaranteeing a bunch of free media time if resources are pulled to sandbag other seats.
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Senor Tron posted:God bless the one term marginal seat MP who has taken over the WA libs, valiantly sacrificing himself in the unwinnable state election. I doorknocked a die-hard Lib supporter on the weekend who was 100% resigned to Labor sweeping in and winning every seat.
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Laserface posted:Covid test results are less than 24hrs so not really. I mean working from home has chucked a spanner in it. Hard to pretend I'm too sick to do my cushy white collar job when all I have to do is open my laptop
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at work we've noted that sick leave is down a lot this year. from digging deeper we found that genuinely fewer people were unwell this year (as they're less likely to get a cold / flu due to melb lockdown), but we also found that staff were more than likely to work when unwell at home and for a variety of reasons. i've actually gone out of my way to remind staff to take the day off if they're unwell and that there is no expectation for them to do more from home than they would have done when they were in the office. some have listened, some haven't. hambeet fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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hambeet posted:at work we've noted that sick leave is down a lot this year. from digging deeper we found that genuinely fewer people were unwell this year (as they're less likely to get a cold / flu due to melb lockdown), but we also found that staff were more than likely to work when unwell at home and for a variety of reasons. My partner literally took today off because she is sick, but i just walked back from the bedroom where I found her doing work on her laptop.
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I'm lucky enough to have a punch-in-punch-out wage-paid white collar job, where once a time-allotted task is over there's literally nothing for me to do, but my girlfriend often now works until 8 or 9pm or logs in to finish stuff on weekends, which I reckon will be a widespread issue in the coming years as heaps of companies shift entirely to WFH. edit - like I was sort of joking when I said it's harder to call in sick, the actual reason I haven't done it this year is because in Melbourne there was nothing to skive out and go do, but even though I know my managers legally cannot ask me why I'm sick I still feel like it would be way more suss if I chucked a fake sickie now because I'd have to be truly bedridden not to do my job while WFH. freebooter fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 24, 2020 |
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i chucked a fake sickie the other day. i just really cbf'd. people are fatigued too as they're not taking annual leave. our leave liability at work has shot up massively. we've been able to cut into it by offering a bonus day of leave. if you take one annual leave day, you'll get another day off FREE. it's the only thing that worked as we've been reminding people all year.
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https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covi...NtunXOfw0CIsGfs COVIDSafe data 'incidentally' collected by intelligence agencies in first six months
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TheMostFrench posted:https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covi...NtunXOfw0CIsGfs For gently caress sake.
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realbez posted:Lmao oh my stars who could have predicted this??
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TheMostFrench posted:https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covi...NtunXOfw0CIsGfs 
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realbez posted:Lmao oh my stars who could have predicted this??
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GoldStandardConure posted:i'm sure covidsafe will be fine. because i'm a bird.
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GoldStandardConure posted:someone go back and find all the posts of people defending covid safe I'll find these posts in about 3 weeks (I'm Victorian my contact tracing sucks)
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TheMostFrench posted:https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covi...NtunXOfw0CIsGfs Well to be fair they didn’t specifically collect COVIDSafe data, it was just hard not to collect it whilst vacuuming up the whole internet en masse.
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People stopped talking about covidsafe so quickly I pretty much forgot about it. If the state health department told me to install it because it would help I probably would have
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The government bragged about how many people immediately signed up for it and then eventually refused to tell the media how effective it was because literally it would make them look bad.
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GoldStandardConure posted:someone go back and find all the posts of people defending covid safe it's me, I'm the idiot who thought covid-safe was nothing to worry about security-wise
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TheMostFrench posted:https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covi...NtunXOfw0CIsGfs
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"Sir, we have decrypted the COVIDsafe app data!" "Finally! Quickly open the files. What's in it?" "Location data for the seven people that installed it mostly walking around their flats for 3 months." "Excellent"
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:The government bragged about how many people immediately signed up for it and then eventually refused to tell the media how effective it was because literally it would make them look bad. Remember the article about a successful covidsafe trace, well after the app was out in the wild?
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