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Sininu posted:OH! This reminds me, is there anything new about what the heck was going on with Dr. disrespect? Nope. Whatever it was stayed under wraps so likely it was just him being an rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 26, 2020 17:57
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Sininu posted:OH! This reminds me, is there anything new about what the heck was going on with Dr. disrespect? No. The people who claim to know and how huge it was or whatever never said anything and nothing's come out. https://twitter.com/drdisrespect/status/1331861583517999105 He is trying the 'mobile games aren't REAL games and I prove it by having an expensive computer' if that helps.
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Nov 26, 2020 17:58
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Apple is one of the few companies who gives a poo poo about colour reproduction so all their mobile devices come really well-calibrated, well above the standard of the average desktop gaming monitor, this "Dr Disrespect" seems like a bit of a clown!
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Nov 26, 2020 18:09
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Dawgstar posted:No. The people who claim to know and how huge it was or whatever never said anything and nothing's come out. 200k multi pc setup? What?
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Nov 26, 2020 18:12
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Sininu posted:200k multi pc setup? What? Dude probably has multiple high end PC's that he switches between, I guess? And he's got the most overpriced hardware and peripherals cause he's absolutely loaded.
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Nov 26, 2020 18:15
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NEWtalFoods! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT6QYlTFw0s
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Nov 26, 2020 19:57
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Archer666 posted:Dude probably has multiple high end PC's that he switches between, I guess? And he's got the most overpriced hardware and peripherals cause he's absolutely loaded. I wonder what the precise moment financially was he started to hit diminishing returns.
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Nov 26, 2020 20:38
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Arist posted:One of my big pet peeves is people wanting things meant for children to be more "adult," which generally manifests itself in extremely superficial ways like swearing, gore, lack of humor, etc. It's (ironically) an incredibly childish impulse, a refusal to accept the things one grew up with not growing up with them. There's nothing wrong with enjoying silly things, and going "well, children enjoy gratuitous sex and violence too!" could not possibly be missing the point any harder. I remember a stage magician a while ago saying "there's a teenage gap between kids and adults where they don't enjoy magic shows; as a kid they're amazed by the magic and as an adult they know it's fake but are entertained by the craft, but in the middle they just say 'this is fake and stupid' and walk away, and people just have to grow a bit to get there". I kinda feel like well-made children's entertainment (like superhero stuff) is like that; there are two entirely different levels you can watch and appreciate it, but you sorta have to bridge that gap first, and without that fresh set of eyes you're just gonna be stuck in the first level, demanding that kids shows get boobs and guns to make it "mature" instead of changing how you enjoy something and approach stories. Too much of fandom is "I want everything new to also be exactly the same" and there's no growth there.
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Nov 26, 2020 20:49
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On the other hand, 90% of magicians are smug bastards, so I'll not take their word on anything.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:03
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8one6 posted:The loving Toxic Avenger got a cartoon. Oh yeah, I forgot about the Toxic Crusader. Sydin posted:The thing with ratings is that a lot of people treat them as shorthand to decide if they should consume that media product or not. Partially because as a species we're pretty mentally lazy about that sort of thing and love shorthand, and partially because there's so much goddamn media available that critically pouring over everything to decide what is and is not worth your time isn't feasible. Like if you're a working parent with three kids you don't have time to tear into all the reviews for the summer releases, you open up the Now Showing page and see the thing rated G with a cute name and go "yeah okay I'll bring my kids to that." A problem that arises though is that ratings really only care about superficial elements like the level and type of violence, sex, and language. They don't really care about themes or target audiences. Which can result in oddities like 2001 Space Odyssey getting a G rating (imagine bringing your ~10 year old kids to that one lol) or Breakfast Club getting an R because it acknowledges that teens experiment with drugs and sex and alcohol, which gates the film off from what is arguably it's target audience. I think there's an issue with the opposite, where you can't really brand a movie with 'MS for Mature Storytelling' or 'JS for Juvenile Storytelling', because that sort of thing is subjective. I know I'm in the minority when I say this, but I (to an extent) do like 'edgy' stuff. We were talking about The Boys a while back, and someone said that the comic (which I read through a little while before that) was overly-edgy and mean-spirited at times. I don't really disagree with that, but at the same time, I still enjoyed it, because it was (probably moreso now than when it was originally written) refreshing in a world where superhero media permeates everything. I'm not holding up edgy media as high art, but there is some catharsis to be found in it, if that's what you're looking for. On the other side of the coin, something that does bother me about a lot of media (outside of superheroes), is that a lot of media does seem dour, or cynical, or mean-spirited, and so on. This is probably going to be considered something of a boomer-esque take, but having watched a share of retro television in the last year or so, there's nothing that has that kind of light-hearted, wholesome, corny/cheesy sort of quality. Like, I watch a mystery show like Diagnosis Murder, or a comedy like M*A*S*H, or even something like the classic Star Trek, and I can't really point to something nowadays that has that same format or general tone. It's the same sort of thing with movies, too. I'm not saying that media today is bad because of that, and I get that some of it is a result of cultural changes. It's not a rose-tinted glasses sort of thing, because the majority of that stuff came out way before I was born. It's just I watch some of that stuff, and I think, "I can't think of anything nowadays that is like this." It's some sort of intangible quality that I can't really put my finger on.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:14
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Sininu posted:200k multi pc setup? What? he is a show-man, a profesional liar, op
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Nov 26, 2020 21:50
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Sininu posted:200k multi pc setup? What? Yeah that is BS,even the most over the top actually not "putting my money on fire" PC maxes out at like 15K. If you want a max workstation it's like 50K. And having 4 of those just means you hate money.
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Nov 26, 2020 21:58
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Zedd posted:Yeah that is BS,even the most over the top actually not "putting my money on fire" PC maxes out at like 15K. If you want a max workstation it's like 50K. And having 4 of those just means you hate money. I don't think Dr. Disrespect is exactly a thrifty, wise person. Just a hunch.
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Nov 26, 2020 22:14
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TBH with all the sponsors and so on I imagine he paid for precisely jack poo poo.
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Nov 26, 2020 22:14
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Zedd posted:Yeah that is BS,even the most over the top actually not "putting my money on fire" PC maxes out at like 15K. If you want a max workstation it's like 50K. And having 4 of those just means you hate money. From the few minutes of this guy I've seen his online persona seems to be "online self-aggrandizing internet tough guy without irony" so I'm sure if you ask him he has the president of Gaming on speed dial, if he hasn't declared himself that already. Or he's including his entire room/studio cost as his "gaming setup".
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Nov 26, 2020 22:32
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Max Wilco posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about the Toxic Crusader. I think I see what you mean. I really love a well-made Youtube Poop, and those things for the most part involves just adding ridiculous edgy jokes to kids cartoons. But there’s a craft to doing it well and the good ones end up being funny because of their sheer absurdity. Max Wilco posted:On the other side of the coin, something that does bother me about a lot of media (outside of superheroes), is that a lot of media does seem dour, or cynical, or mean-spirited, and so on. This is probably going to be considered something of a boomer-esque take, but having watched a share of retro television in the last year or so, there's nothing that has that kind of light-hearted, wholesome, corny/cheesy sort of quality. Like, I watch a mystery show like Diagnosis Murder, or a comedy like M*A*S*H, or even something like the classic Star Trek, and I can't really point to something nowadays that has that same format or general tone. It's the same sort of thing with movies, too. This is something I’ve noticed as well. It’s gotten to the point where when a show uses that more lighthearted tone (like The Librarians series from a few years ago) it kinda feels like it’s come out of a time capsule. As far as the TV side of things goes, some of the blame likely lies with the move towards serialization that began with shows like Lost and Battlestar Galactica. More involved, season-long storylines results in more complexity, which nudges the tone in a darker direction compared to when you could expect most problems to be resolved by the end of each episode. Bakeneko fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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Nov 26, 2020 22:33
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Zedd posted:Yeah that is BS,even the most over the top actually not "putting my money on fire" PC maxes out at like 15K. If you want a max workstation it's like 50K. And having 4 of those just means you hate money. The highest I've ever seen is $20k and that's from this fridge sized semi-professional rendering PC. Even then the guy included $1000 of high end audio equipment, and a $2000 laptop as part of the build to inflate the cost.
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Nov 26, 2020 22:52
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Nuns with Guns posted:I would accept trashy CW Constantine too. Heck, let's do both at the same time. Make them fight out in a cage match for who can get the best disaster garbage drama going.
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Nov 26, 2020 22:53
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Terrible Opinions posted:I was making a joke about the arrow-verse 2015 Constantine show. No idea how good or bad it was other than assumptions due to it being arrow-verse. It was an odd mix to be honest. They made some odd choices regarding Chas, and he has Zed along with him as well instead of being a lone dickhead, but one of the episodes is an adaptation of the first comic arc (the Gary Lester one) and is surprisingly faithful to it, and I was really expecting them to cop out on the ending. Matt Ryan was good as well. If it had been on a cable network instead of NBC it might still be going.
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Nov 26, 2020 23:14
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Fil5000 posted:It was an odd mix to be honest. They made some odd choices regarding Chas, and he has Zed along with him as well instead of being a lone dickhead, but one of the episodes is an adaptation of the first comic arc (the Gary Lester one) and is surprisingly faithful to it, and I was really expecting them to cop out on the ending. Matt Ryan was good as well. If it had been on a cable network instead of NBC it might still be going. Meanwhile, Legends of Tomorrow fished Constantine out of the TV abyss and made him a main character years ago and it's been great. Matt Ryan really kills it as Jonny C. It also wrapped up all of NBC Constantine's leftover plot threads from when it was canceled.
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Nov 26, 2020 23:31
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nine-gear crow posted:Meanwhile, Legends of Tomorrow fished Constantine out of the TV abyss and made him a main character years ago and it's been great. Matt Ryan really kills it as Jonny C. It also wrapped up all of NBC Constantine's leftover plot threads from when it was canceled. I should really get around to that. I have heard nothing but good things.
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Nov 26, 2020 23:48
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Fil5000 posted:I should really get around to that. I have heard nothing but good things. In my experience catching episodes while my family watches all of the Arrowverse, Legends is consistently the most fun in the set.
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Nov 27, 2020 00:00
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Fil5000 posted:I should really get around to that. I have heard nothing but good things. Shockingly it doesn't shy around the fact that John is bi. He's had both male and female love interests.
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Nov 27, 2020 00:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9183p7iJ5E0
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Nov 27, 2020 09:53
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Dawgstar posted:No. The people who claim to know and how huge it was or whatever never said anything and nothing's come out. That could just mean everyone's being legally advised to shut the gently caress up until it goes to trial.
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Nov 27, 2020 10:17
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Neddy Seagoon posted:That could just mean everyone's being legally advised to shut the gently caress up until it goes to trial. Or that it was nothing.
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Nov 27, 2020 11:18
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Fil5000 posted:I should really get around to that. I have heard nothing but good things. It is an extremely nonsensical show, but it is still more fun than the current Flash N I C E H I S S
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Nov 27, 2020 12:45
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I'm not a gore guy but I think enforcing lower age ratings on superheroes can get a bit silly. You give them all these fantastic powers and weapons with enormous destructive potential, then the universe twists itself into knots to make sure that not a single drop of red blood is ever seen on screen. It's fine to have the heroes be trying to avoid damaging civilians and property, and it's fine to have them be very good at that, but at least let the villains do some real damage. The DCCU took it too far in the other direction imo, but that's good ol' Zack "if an entire city isn't being destroyed why are you even making a movie" Snyder in action.
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Nov 27, 2020 14:16
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Dabir posted:I'm not a gore guy but I think enforcing lower age ratings on superheroes can get a bit silly. You give them all these fantastic powers and weapons with enormous destructive potential, then the universe twists itself into knots to make sure that not a single drop of red blood is ever seen on screen. It's fine to have the heroes be trying to avoid damaging civilians and property, and it's fine to have them be very good at that, but at least let the villains do some real damage. The DCCU took it too far in the other direction imo, but that's good ol' Zack "if an entire city isn't being destroyed why are you even making a movie" Snyder in action. I don't know I think stakes can be very effectively separated from gore and you can do a lot to communicate urgency without ever needing to explicitly depict ultra-violence instead of suggesting it with visual and narrative tools and let the limits of the audience's imagination do the work
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Nov 27, 2020 14:24
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fatherboxx posted:It is an extremely nonsensical show, but it is still more fun than the current Flash Which sucks, because The Flash started out as “The Fun Show” to Arrow’s dour grimdarkness and slowly lost itself in misery porn as well.
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Nov 27, 2020 15:35
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nine-gear crow posted:Which sucks, because The Flash started out as “The Fun Show” to Arrow’s dour grimdarkness and slowly lost itself in misery porn as well. While ironically Legends followed the opposite path, starting out with lots of drama involving unlikable characters before livening up in season two.
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Nov 27, 2020 15:58
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I went and watched the Patrick H Willems video yesterday and I realized he kind of says a lot of the same things I mentioned in my prior post. I'm not sure I agree that, say, Batman should be solely reserved for all-ages or kid appropriate shows. I think he's right that chasing R-rated superhero films and the kind of content that's added to them is the result of myopic Hollywood assessments of what made Deadpool successful and what people expect in R-rated content. It's funny because it's the same shallow assessment of what made Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns successful in 1986 that lead to the "darker" comics of the late 80s and 90s. Patrick's point reminds me a lot of an old Shortpacked comic from back when DC rushed out the nu52 reboot and did another universe reset of most of their characters:  Which is fair, yeah, Comic-Starfire was always written more as a sex prop (her alien culture sees no problem with casual nudity you prude!!!) but the reason the TV show was so successful is that it took the best elements of the old New Teen Titans comics, cut out all the scuzz of 30-year-old-boyfriends and Terra having a sexual relationship with Deathstroke, and was overall just better at writing the characters without resorting to constant shallow drama like "oh Cyborg is having a crisis about his humanity again!" or "oh Raven's losing control of her emotions and going evil again!" The whole institution around Marvel and DC superheroes is sustained on brand loyalty and taking advantage of people who have been lifelong fans of these comics to hand over new story and character ideas for these decades-old IPs. Plus, the general capitalist "infinite growth" demand means they need to reach a continually larger audience, so on a cynical level trying to make R-rated superhero comics is dumb. However, on a less corporate-dronethink level, this is less about gating Batman away from kids and more of a bubble where corporations are taking advantage of nerd anxieties around looking immature and artless. The entities that are fine producing shallow splatterfests where caped characters say "gently caress" and "doo-doo" will still recalibrate back to PG-13 or lower things after they've given adult fans what they want. Because most those adult fans don't actually want a mature or realistic execution of superheroes, and corporations don't want to produce that because like Patrick implied when he brought up Miracleman, the ultimate realistic end-state is that superheroes take on the Übermensch-ian role and drastically, rapidly change society, either pushing it into fascism or a utopia. And then you have to get super-duper political about what fascism or a utopia look like in these scenarios and that makes everyone squirm and oops now the world doesn't resemble our own at all and how is this all realistic?
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Nov 27, 2020 19:16
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CYBEReris posted:I don't know I think stakes can be very effectively separated from gore and you can do a lot to communicate urgency without ever needing to explicitly depict ultra-violence instead of suggesting it with visual and narrative tools and let the limits of the audience's imagination do the work This is true, you can get a lot of very good stories out of superheroes with a minimum of gore, but if you're using Lobo, the man with big guns who kills everyone, or Wolverine, who can regenerate from horrendous injuries and has claws for hands, to tell those stories, one feels you're misusing your tools a bit.
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Nov 27, 2020 20:07
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Nuns with Guns posted:I went and watched the Patrick H Willems video yesterday and I realized he kind of says a lot of the same things I mentioned in my prior post. I'm not sure I agree that, say, Batman should be solely reserved for all-ages or kid appropriate shows. I think he's right that chasing R-rated superhero films and the kind of content that's added to them is the result of myopic Hollywood assessments of what made Deadpool successful and what people expect in R-rated content. It's funny because it's the same shallow assessment of what made Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns successful in 1986 that lead to the "darker" comics of the late 80s and 90s. He doesn't even say that The Dark Knight Returns is a bad comic, or that we shouldn't make comics like it, but that it works because it's an elseworlds and that there's something wrong if the dominant version of this colorful children's cartoon is a gritty story about celebrating sadistic violence. I personally think TDKR is a mediocre take on the hyper-violent superhero tho, even before getting into the implications of it being the dominant form. The two ways I see of doing it are to either to depict the uncomfortable consequences of violence (e.g. Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's Watchmen) or to lean into the goofy, unrealistic spectacle of it (e.g. Blade) Dabir posted:This is true, you can get a lot of very good stories out of superheroes with a minimum of gore, but if you're using Lobo, the man with big guns who kills everyone, or Wolverine, who can regenerate from horrendous injuries and has claws for hands, to tell those stories, one feels you're misusing your tools a bit. Most of the X-Men stories we grew up with were told under the restrictions of the CCA, meaning despite the fact that what Wolverine does best isn't very nice, it also isn't very graphic. That's not to defend the code, but even even in post-code stories like Grant Morrison's New X-Men the violence never gets that graphic. Most colorful sci-fi adventures don't realistically (or hyper-realistically) depict wounds from bladed weapons, and I think that's usually a good decision. I'm not saying it couldn't be fun, just that it isn't integral to the character.
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Nov 27, 2020 22:37
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CYBEReris posted:I don't know I think stakes can be very effectively separated from gore and you can do a lot to communicate urgency without ever needing to explicitly depict ultra-violence instead of suggesting it with visual and narrative tools and let the limits of the audience's imagination do the work Man of Steel is PG13 and communicates clearly that people are dying by the truckload without showing a drop of gore ( only gore in that movie is shown on a blink of an eye moment during smallville when a kryptonian makes an Air Force pilots head explode). The entire massacre is communicated through sound design. The screams are everywhere and in the cinema they were extremely clear and the percussion heavy soundtrack would stop so they could be heard. The dark knight does something similar, cutaway before anything can be shown but establishing it’s going to be bad.That movie has people ripped apart by dogs and burned alive. There’s a lot to be said about tone and how it influences what people perceive.BvS was a pg13 movie before it got some dashes of blood here and there, winter soldier 911’s three helicarriers into a building and shows a close up of a mangled face.One is unnecessary the other get the audience right. Guardians of galaxy has villains bathe in peoples blood that are defeated in a dance off before getting sandblasted away. My thinking hasn’t changed that much about his video tho. I think he’s nebulously right for the wrong reasons.I just think it’s much worse that you can show world shattering violence without world shattering consequences. I dislike the happy medium of city invasions but everybody is having the time of their lives hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 27, 2020 |
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Nov 27, 2020 23:36
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Bakeneko posted:While ironically Legends followed the opposite path, starting out with lots of drama involving unlikable characters before livening up in season two. It makes me wish we could see what Season 1 would have looked like with the Season 2-onward mindset of the show. We got tantalizing glimpses of what Fun Vandal Savage looks like, imagine a whole season of that guy as a big bad instead of the miserable rapey tinpot sorcerer we got. The Hawk people are unsalvagabe though.
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Nov 27, 2020 23:42
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The rating systems also focus a lot on repeatability. They don't want kids replicating actually dangerous fight moves on their siblings, which is why the most gruesome contemporary film series at the PG-13 level is Jurassic Park. You get severed arms, people being torn in half and to pieces on screen, waterfalls of blood, one poor dude getting crushed flat and getting stuck to the bottom of a Tyrannosaur's foot and getting repeatedly crushed into pulp. But no kid is gonna eat another kid* so it sneaks through. *In theory.
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Nov 28, 2020 00:08
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Maybe parents should teach their kids not to murder and hurt others. Or get them the help they need if their brains keep driving them to violence. Let’s not make art around those people.
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Nov 28, 2020 00:13
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I mean the Hays Code (the predecessor to the modern MPAA rating system), ESRB, and TV Parental Guidelines all arose from moral panic pearl clutching. Scapegoating media as causing violence by imitation is as old as dirt in this country.
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Nov 28, 2020 00:27
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CelticPredator posted:Maybe parents should teach their kids not to murder and hurt others. Or get them the help they need if their brains keep driving them to violence.
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Nov 28, 2020 00:36
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