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I got that, it was considered and included.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 03:56 |
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Dueling was practiced by all manners of people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gouging_(fighting_style)
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 04:40 |
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doverhog posted:Social change isn't just hard, often it's impossible to the people living in that time. That applies to our time too. It would be easy to prevent Bezos from owning the whole of US, if you just had normal people. All you really need is enough people pissed off to apply mob violence to happen, sure that often backfires in it's own way but it's a valid path
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 05:35 |
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System Metternich posted:It's important to note that while it was probably most "ritualised" in Germany, duels were the standard all over Europe and its colonies during the early modern era and the 19th/early 20th century. This is due to an understanding of honour that is wholly removed from ours and is honestly hard to fuly grasp even when you've spent a lot of time researching it. Basically honour was a limited resource, and dishonour wasn't just the absence of honour but an attribute all of its own that was to be avoided at all costs. Dishonour was also contagious; you could catch it just by standing next to a dishonourabe person if you were not careful. Honour was strongly tied to behaviour proper to your social class: A nobleman not living up to the social expectations of nobility risked losing honour and catching dishonour instead, while e.g. a commoner dressing like a nobleman did the same. It's a hard to find book but most libraries should have access https://www.amazon.com/DUELING-DUEL...&s=books&sr=1-2 The dueling culture in Germany around the late 1800s was loving insane. The book recounts how the culture slowly built up from the whole matter of honor to where when men joined University part of the ritual was having "duals" where the only intended goal was to get a facial wound to show off as a matter of masculinity. The book recounts a story where a military officer at a casual party accosted a baker (huge dude) and when pushed the baker just leaned in and grabbed the officer's hand with was resting on his sword, preventing him from pulling his sword and whisper-told the officer to chill the gently caress out and go home. The military officer was so terrified his peers would found out a common laborer "humiliated" him he tried to find and murder the baker, and when he couldn't he then killed himself terrified the baker would tell everyone how he punked the officer.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 11:55 |
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Mainstream ideas of masculinity is just "honour" repackaged. Think about it, it's inherently loving fragile, no-one knows exactly what it is and what actions you can take to maintain it and gently caress me if there aren't a lot of people who claim they know how you "lose" it.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 12:31 |
Josef bugman posted:Mainstream ideas of masculinity is just "honour" repackaged.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 12:40 |
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It's all attempts to replace the belief that everything is fake, we all know it's fake but everyone seems to think that means they are the only one that knows it.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 12:44 |
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Since learning about it in this thread yesterday, I mentioned Mensur to a friend who had just returned from a stint as a visiting fellow at a prestigious German university. He told me that someone had tried to recruit a friend of theirs, a fellow Finn, to a 'fencing' club. The friend was, surprise surprise, a tall and blonde man. Being of a leftist political persuasion, he feigned innocence and asked if anyone else than a tall blonde, say, for example, a person with darker hair or skin, were allowed in. The answer was something along the lines of "*wink* *wink* Probably not! *wink* *wink*" He passed on joining as he wasn't exactly thrilled about the idea of being recruited into a completely apolitical little blood-letting club. Jesus!
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 13:15 |
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I have seen modern people use the word "respect" in a similar way to old concepts of honor
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 17:19 |
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Arban posted:I have seen modern people use the word "respect" in a similar way to old concepts of honor In that it is usually restricted to certain ingroups, yeah I can see that.
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barbecue at the folks posted:Since learning about it in this thread yesterday, I mentioned Mensur to a friend who had just returned from a stint as a visiting fellow at a prestigious German university. He told me that someone had tried to recruit a friend of theirs, a fellow Finn, to a 'fencing' club. The friend was, surprise surprise, a tall and blonde man. Being of a leftist political persuasion, he feigned innocence and asked if anyone else than a tall blonde, say, for example, a person with darker hair or skin, were allowed in. The answer was something along the lines of "*wink* *wink* Probably not! *wink* *wink*" He passed on joining as he wasn't exactly thrilled about the idea of being recruited into a completely apolitical little blood-letting club. Jesus! I find this hilarious, because my brother’s fencing coach was black. Multiple fencers that were his students made it to the olympics. He was a really nice guy, too. Nazis are such shitheads.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 19:29 |
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In the Commonwealth of Iceland (930-1262) honour played a huge part in carrying out the law. Basically there was a court system but not any sort of police to carry out the law. So if someone killed your lovely nephew and was sentenced for it it was your job to carry it out and kill him. If you didn't you were without honor which would encourage people to gently caress with you knowing that you weren't going to retaliate. But of course you usually only had three years at the most, if they were sentenced to fjörbaugsgarður, during which the condemned could just split to Scotland or Denmark or something and if they waited out the sentence you couldn't do poo poo any longer. Unless they were sentenced to skóggangur in which case they were effectively expunged from society for life and had to leave the country or hide out in the wilderness for life or else anyone who met them was required by law and honor to kill them. It wasn't until the early modern period when the state itself began to execute people and since it was the Lutheran reformation it was often for stuff like having children out of wedlock while poor or for being a Catholic.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 19:32 |
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Domus posted:I find this hilarious, because my brother’s fencing coach was black. Multiple fencers that were his students made it to the olympics. He was a really nice guy, too. Nazis are such shitheads. Stupid too FreudianSlippers posted:It wasn't until the early modern period when the state itself began to execute people and since it was the Lutheran reformation it was often for stuff like having children out of wedlock while poor or for being a Catholic. What about being basque
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 19:55 |
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That falls under Catholic.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 20:03 |
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We should go back to the "outlaw" style of justice. Every night on the news they announce all the people you're duty bound to kill and nothing really changes in anyone's day to day besides once in awhile having to kill someone. Just imagine all the money the state could save on expensive executions!
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 20:04 |
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Would goons be honour bound to slay Lowtax on sight?
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 20:05 |
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Call the lynch mob on Granos.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 20:07 |
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Unironically white collar crime should be punished by seizure of assets and a minimum of three years of being outlawed and anyone being not only allowed but required to kill you.
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 20:35 |
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Milo and POTUS posted:What about being basque
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 21:13 |
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Basques have been whaling around Iceland/Greenland for at least 1000 years. There are some theories they knew about the Americas centuries before the Spanish but didn't tell anyone as not to endanger their hunting grounds. However one time in the 1600s a group of them were shipwrecked in Iceland and the Icelanders murdered them, stripped and looted the corpses and threw them into the sea. One man, notorious Wizard Jón the Learned who was a friend of the Basques protested and wrote about the massacre but was in turn exiled to a tiny uninhabitable island. FreudianSlippers has a new favorite as of 21:18 on Nov 29, 2020 |
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pentyne posted:
this rules
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 21:15 |
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Facebook Aunt posted:Call the lynch mob on Granos. lmao
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 23:25 |
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i was thinking this dueling poo poo was weird until i remembered all the "septic masculinity" stories you see from r/relationships and other places from the girlfriends of dudes who are so couched in fragile masculinity they dont wipe or clean their own rear end because "wtf bro touching your rear end in a top hat is gay"
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# ? Nov 29, 2020 23:37 |
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I don't believe those guys ever actually existed.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:12 |
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Arban posted:I have seen modern people use the word "respect" in a similar way to old concepts of honor In My 600-lb Life if the patient starts talking about being disrespected by Dr. Nowzaradan, it means they'll fail the programme and die fat
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:17 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I don't believe those guys ever actually existed. lol Facebook Aunt posted:Call the lynch mob on Granos. They're the same picture
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:20 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I don't believe those guys ever actually existed.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:25 |
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Oh, they exist alright. I punched one in the face!
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:28 |
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rude and highly inaccurate
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 02:46 |
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pentyne posted:The book recounts a story where a military officer at a casual party accosted a baker (huge dude) and when pushed the baker just leaned in and grabbed the officer's hand with was resting on his sword, preventing him from pulling his sword and whisper-told the officer to chill the gently caress out and go home. The military officer was so terrified his peers would found out a common laborer "humiliated" him he tried to find and murder the baker, and when he couldn't he then killed himself terrified the baker would tell everyone how he punked the officer. Poor Freckles. Thought of dishonor and died.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 06:34 |
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Are there many Basques in Iceland? Even Icelanders want to dress sexy sometimes.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 07:31 |
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The military has a shitload of stories of privates who are unfamiliar with basic hygiene.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 09:29 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The military has a shitload of stories of privates who are unfamiliar with basic hygiene. "More Axe body spray" instead of doing laundry or ever taking one voluntary shower during the entire first half of the NCO training. You could smell the dude from across the hall at the barracks. He was kicked out for failing a medical check and using that as an excuse to go AWOL for a week or so.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 09:51 |
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I had a science teacher in secondary school who thought that showering more than once every two weeks was bad for your immune system. He also refused to launder his clothes. His words were along the lines of "Just remove any stains. Then give your clothes an airbath. Letting your clothes hang outside overnight refreshes them! Humans were never meant to smell like flowers!" He also had THE worst haircut I have ever seen.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 12:32 |
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BattyKiara posted:I had a science teacher in secondary school who thought that showering more than once every two weeks was bad for your immune system. He also refused to launder his clothes. His words were along the lines of "Just remove any stains. Then give your clothes an airbath. Letting your clothes hang outside overnight refreshes them! Humans were never meant to smell like flowers!" Oh no, we've wandered perilously close to the "jeans should never be washed" discussion.
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 23:27 |
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I believe it's called seasoning the jeans
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# ? Nov 30, 2020 23:45 |
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Its simple, you wake up. Bath in the smoke of a fire and then grab your raw jeans from the stack in the freezer.
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 09:57 |
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denim should be boiled
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# ? Dec 3, 2020 10:24 |
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Josef bugman posted:Mainstream ideas of masculinity is just "honour" repackaged. I have always equated your olde-tyme ideas of 'honour' as being more closely analagous to ideas of 'face'. And as has already been mentioned ideas of tiered formal levels of social class. But you do make a good point in adding ideas of performative fragile masculinity into the mix.
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Re: honor talk, is it true that bushido code rose in importance during an a long era of peace in Japan as a response of samurai being like "well there are no endless wars to fight, how do we maintain our status"?
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