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The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Good boss looking out for his people

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luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Gabriel S. posted:

Given that there is Teams, Slack, Cisco Whatever Chat, Zoom and Facebook for Work, etc. there's plenty of room in the world for more than just one messaging service.

I like how you left out Chime, a platform so horrible not even AWS people want to use it

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Thanks Ants posted:

Was the call booked over lunch? Because I can totally support this activity if people are going to schedule meetings at those sorts of times.

If by lunch you mean 12-1, no. It was at 2

But lol societal norms

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


If a random person on a call is eating their lunch that’s fine.

But don’t start filming a training video, then halfway through grab a handful of chips and keep talking while you’re munching.

Which was my hell yesterday.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

The Fool posted:

If a random person on a call is eating their lunch that’s fine.

But don’t start filming a training video, then halfway through grab a handful of chips and keep talking while you’re munching.

Which was my hell yesterday.

My boss used to do this in standup and it was agony


CRINKLE CRINKLE CRINKLE right in my loving ear

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen
My office nemesis was Chip Guy. He sat a number of desks, like a good 15-20m, away from me and was on a totally different team so I never interacted with him, but every day at noon he would rip open a bag of Doritos and open mouth crunch away, not a care in the world. WFH has meant I have not seen nor heard Chip Guy since March 13th. I wonder if he's still enjoying his chips.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Narrator: He is.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Unreleated. I've been using ShareX for too long. I need a screenshot app that I can install without admin access that will do a region select on custom keyboard command + markup.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

CLAM DOWN posted:

My office nemesis was Chip Guy. He sat a number of desks, like a good 15-20m, away from me and was on a totally different team so I never interacted with him, but every day at noon he would rip open a bag of Doritos and open mouth crunch away, not a care in the world. WFH has meant I have not seen nor heard Chip Guy since March 13th. I wonder if he's still enjoying his chips.

Sat next to a dude who would crunch on the ice from his supersize McDonalds Coke for a good hour after lunch


Then I asked him if he ever went to Checkers/Rally’s

“Why would I go there I go to McDonald’s”

Okay then buddy sorry for trying to start conversation also big bufords are better than a lovely bigmac

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


https://twitter.com/awscloud/status/1333631526999896066?s=20

I'm a little surprised that Apple wouldn't license or do whatever to let AWS run OS X on their own hardware but hey I guess it works? That must be super niche use case.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Gabriel S. posted:

https://twitter.com/awscloud/status/1333631526999896066?s=20

I'm a little surprised that Apple wouldn't license or do whatever to let AWS run OS X on their own hardware but hey I guess it works? That must be super niche use case.

Mobile app build servers are hardly niche

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

The Iron Rose posted:

My boss used to do this in standup and it was agony


CRINKLE CRINKLE CRINKLE right in my loving ear

During our weekly departmental conference call, my boss would do his dishes. We had to have a talk with him.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Gabriel S. posted:

https://twitter.com/awscloud/status/1333631526999896066?s=20

I'm a little surprised that Apple wouldn't license or do whatever to let AWS run OS X on their own hardware but hey I guess it works? That must be super niche use case.

Not really niche at all. Ephemeral Mac instances for dev work if you don’t want to buy a Mac is pretty good. Or adding them to your pipeline for testing/integration.

Of course the Mac hardware thread is laughing at the 9k per year, but that’s not really the intended use case for it to be always on.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


The Fool posted:

Mobile app build servers are hardly niche

Ah, good call. I wonder if the AWS Exec's even tried to persuade Cook to just let them run OS X on traditional hardware. Granted, Mac Mini's are pretty damned efficient anyhow.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Well, just had a meeting with my boss, she said she can't get me a raise but will try to get me permanent WFH and is going to shop my resume around to other departments because the Linux admin team mentioned needing another person to her.

I think she can tell that there's a risk of me leaving if things stay the way they are, and while I like her, she's not wrong.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Matt Zerella posted:

Not really niche at all. Ephemeral Mac instances for dev work if you don’t want to buy a Mac is pretty good. Or adding them to your pipeline for testing/integration.

Of course the Mac hardware thread is laughing at the 9k per year, but that’s not really the intended use case for it to be always on.

They’re unfortunately not too ephemeral since they use dedicated tenancy - you need to pay for at least 24hr.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

The Fool posted:

Unreleated. I've been using ShareX for too long. I need a screenshot app that I can install without admin access that will do a region select on custom keyboard command + markup.

I use screenpresso, not too sure if you can install without admin permissions tho

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





22 Eargesplitten posted:

Well, just had a meeting with my boss, she said she can't get me a raise but will try to get me permanent WFH and is going to shop my resume around to other departments because the Linux admin team mentioned needing another person to her.

I think she can tell that there's a risk of me leaving if things stay the way they are, and while I like her, she's not wrong.

Good for you and good on your boss.

bru
May 7, 2006

pampering lifes complexity

CLAM DOWN posted:

My office nemesis was Chip Guy. He sat a number of desks, like a good 15-20m, away from me and was on a totally different team so I never interacted with him, but every day at noon he would rip open a bag of Doritos and open mouth crunch away, not a care in the world. WFH has meant I have not seen nor heard Chip Guy since March 13th. I wonder if he's still enjoying his chips.

I used to work opposite a guy with a mechanical keyboard that typed like my dad. He used one finger on each hand to type with and each key stroke came down hard and fast from an unnecessary height. It drove me loving nuts.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Internet Explorer posted:

Good for you and good on your boss.

Better response than I expected from this forum tbh. I get along well with my boss and while I don't trust her quite as much as I trusted another boss that I didn't get along with as well (he was pathologically opposed to lying so if I asked him a question I knew he was being honest), she definitely seems to like me as far as the work I do and my willingness to be blunt but still usually tactful around other teams (the one exception being when I wrote in Teams that another team needed to get their poo poo together and their manager saw and got offended). poo poo, I'm sleeping on what used to be her unused guest mattress that she gave me in April when she moved back to her home state when COVID WFH started.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





There are certainly bosses who are better than others. I've been someone's boss for most of my career and I have always tried to be the best boss I can be. That's not always been easy to square with being a socialist, but as I have told other leftist friends who were growing in their career, would you rather work for a conservative or a communist? Because I know which my answer is, and I think until we manage to win a better world, we need more leftists running things.

If your boss is earnestly doing right by you and the other people that work for them, that's good. Hopefully you'll do the same when you reach that level.

And you'll encourage your coworkers to unionize.

Rooted Vegetable
Jun 1, 2002

The Iron Rose posted:

CRINKLE CRINKLE CRINKLE right in my loving ear

I've had a drink slurper who wouldn't mute on meetings. This went on for a bit, through the mental railway of "no biggie, let stuff go", to "well I'm sure I'm not perfect in a way I don't know about either", to "come on, we all get told not to eat on the phone and it applies here", then several rounds of how do I stop him....

The solution, after several online meetings, was to out of the blue ask him if he was enjoying it. He never did it again.

Honestly, he's a great colleague and thank god that worked.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


I think the reason your boss sounds cool is that she's not making these promises while staring at your written resignation. "I'll share your resume around" can mean anything or nothing, but the fact that she's getting it out there while you're still more or less happily employed, and doing so as a response to your good work, suggests she recognizes your value and is open to you progressing in your career. If she follows through and you get promoted, yay! If not, that's when we turn on her.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
I hope it goes well, but don’t forget that it never hurts to have an offer in your back pocket.

it’s all about leverage.


Also it is late and I have yet to sleep due to burning approximately 0 energy today thanks to lockdown and winter. This is a terrible week for me to be sleeping poorly and yet here I am shitposting at 3am rip


At least there’s a deployment freeze for the holiday in two weeks.

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Dec 2, 2020

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Internet Explorer posted:

There are certainly bosses who are better than others. I've been someone's boss for most of my career and I have always tried to be the best boss I can be. That's not always been easy to square with being a socialist, but as I have told other leftist friends who were growing in their career, would you rather work for a conservative or a communist? Because I know which my answer is, and I think until we manage to win a better world, we need more leftists running things.

If your boss is earnestly doing right by you and the other people that work for them, that's good. Hopefully you'll do the same when you reach that level.

And you'll encourage your coworkers to unionize.

Stop with the political nonsense.

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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

nesaM killed Masen

Methanar posted:

Stop with the political nonsense.

Tip your delivery drivers, fuckass.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


The Iron Rose posted:

I hope it goes well, but don’t forget that it never hurts to have an offer in your back pocket.

it’s all about leverage.

I don't know if that's literally true. Occasionally asking for a raise backed by an offer can be a good technique, but as a boss, I hope that if I get someone a decent counter, they're going to do me the courtesy of staying off the market for a while. If the same person brings up their salary again in six months and has another offer waiting, I'm not going to be nearly so well-disposed. You just took my counter, buddy. If it wasn't good enough to keep you off the market for at least a year, preferably too, then why did you say yes?

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Zorak of Michigan posted:

I don't know if that's literally true. Occasionally asking for a raise backed by an offer can be a good technique, but as a boss, I hope that if I get someone a decent counter, they're going to do me the courtesy of staying off the market for a while. If the same person brings up their salary again in six months and has another offer waiting, I'm not going to be nearly so well-disposed. You just took my counter, buddy. If it wasn't good enough to keep you off the market for at least a year, preferably too, then why did you say yes?

Because a raise is better than no raise. If that raise still means you're underpaid by all means search for a better opportunity.

Over the years there's hardly any loyalty left from companies to employees. The moment it's more profitable to give you your pink slip than it is to keep you on board, you're out. Employers pay for skills and employees do their best the least amount they can get away with to deliver what's being asked. If someone else is willing to pay more for that and the job/commute/tech stack/whatever interests me more employees should seek employment somewhere else.

It's a 2 way street and the fact that you can get fired at will means no company should expect any loyalty either. FAANG companies know this and this is why they're paying boat money to keep people on board.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Internet Explorer posted:

There are certainly bosses who are better than others. I've been someone's boss for most of my career and I have always tried to be the best boss I can be. That's not always been easy to square with being a socialist, but as I have told other leftist friends who were growing in their career, would you rather work for a conservative or a communist? Because I know which my answer is, and I think until we manage to win a better world, we need more leftists running things.

If your boss is earnestly doing right by you and the other people that work for them, that's good. Hopefully you'll do the same when you reach that level.

And you'll encourage your coworkers to unionize.

You don't need to bring politics into being a decent human being and boss at your workplace.

LochNessMonster posted:

Because a raise is better than no raise. If that raise still means you're underpaid by all means search for a better opportunity.

Over the years there's hardly any loyalty left from companies to employees. The moment it's more profitable to give you your pink slip than it is to keep you on board, you're out. Employers pay for skills and employees do their best the least amount they can get away with to deliver what's being asked. If someone else is willing to pay more for that and the job/commute/tech stack/whatever interests me more employees should seek employment somewhere else.

It's a 2 way street and the fact that you can get fired at will means no company should expect any loyalty either. FAANG companies know this and this is why they're paying boat money to keep people on board.

This is so loving broken. Add in that healthcare is tied into employment and it gets dystopian-level bad in a hurry.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Methanar posted:

Stop with the political nonsense.

Boss makes a dollar
I make a dime
That's why I organize
On company time

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"

Zorak of Michigan posted:

I don't know if that's literally true. Occasionally asking for a raise backed by an offer can be a good technique, but as a boss, I hope that if I get someone a decent counter, they're going to do me the courtesy of staying off the market for a while. If the same person brings up their salary again in six months and has another offer waiting, I'm not going to be nearly so well-disposed. You just took my counter, buddy. If it wasn't good enough to keep you off the market for at least a year, preferably too, then why did you say yes?

I always find the "never take a counter" conversations interesting as someone who has both offered them and taken them and have seen someone in another field where interviewing and negotiating a new salary or leaving is a yearly occurrence because the labor is so short (contract research organization). I've been at the same place for a while, and when I started I was making 70k. I got a merit halfway through my first year to 75. Then I was promoted to a leadership position at the end of the first year and got bumped to 97k. The following year I ran our biggest/most profitable project ever and demanded I be compensated like one of the best in our company, with the understanding that if they didn't I was going to start looking. They sort of acquiesced and bumped me to 110k. Got another merit to 113k at some point. Our org was kind of falling apart at the seams at one point, so I started looking despite my job not being in jeopardy. Got an offer for an IC role at 135k and a 5k bonus. At that point I straight up turned in my two weeks assuming my company wouldn't even bother at that point. My company sent me an offer for 130k and five extra PTO days anyways so I stayed for the role. Got a 10k bonus that year. Got another merit to 135k anyways this spring.

So back of the napkin I've had 17k worth of merit raises, 22k for promotion, and 30k for using my leverage when I have it. I'm happily employed there and they are happy to employ me. Over the past ~3 years I've bonused out or given raises to four people. Not all of them are with the company still, but no one was fired for playing the game. I highly recommend it if you work for a place that isn't a hellhole, it's part of the game imo.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


i am a moron posted:

I always find the "never take a counter" conversations interesting as someone who has both offered them and taken them and have seen someone in another field where interviewing and negotiating a new salary or leaving is a yearly occurrence because the labor is so short (contract research organization). I've been at the same place for a while, and when I started I was making 70k. I got a merit halfway through my first year to 75. Then I was promoted to a leadership position at the end of the first year and got bumped to 97k. The following year I ran our biggest/most profitable project ever and demanded I be compensated like one of the best in our company, with the understanding that if they didn't I was going to start looking. They sort of acquiesced and bumped me to 110k. Got another merit to 113k at some point. Our org was kind of falling apart at the seams at one point, so I started looking despite my job not being in jeopardy. Got an offer for an IC role at 135k and a 5k bonus. At that point I straight up turned in my two weeks assuming my company wouldn't even bother at that point. My company sent me an offer for 130k and five extra PTO days anyways so I stayed for the role. Got a 10k bonus that year. Got another merit to 135k anyways this spring.

So back of the napkin I've had 17k worth of merit raises, 22k for promotion, and 30k for using my leverage when I have it. I'm happily employed there and they are happy to employ me. Over the past ~3 years I've bonused out or given raises to four people. Not all of them are with the company still, but no one was fired for playing the game. I highly recommend it if you work for a place that isn't a hellhole, it's part of the game imo.

The main take away is that most companies are actually hell holes and aim to keep salary costs as low as possible. For me, the amount of bullshit I had to deal with when it came to getting a raise was just not worth the hassle. Even after a few consecutive years as top performer there was little to no room for anything more than an inflation correction. Some just flat out didn't give a raise even though you had a great evaluation. It's been way easier to just interview at a few different places and pick the best company/role/offer for me. One of my previous employers never gave raises unless you showed them a better offer. I did that twice and then figured I couldn't be bothered to do this every year. Why not jump ship if I'm already interviewing and getting offers anyway. Besides that, the downside of taking the counter offer is that it might flag you as a flight risk and they'll start to look for your replacement and kick you out when they (or worse, you) have trained him/her.

That doesn't mean it's not possible to get proper raises. A lot of the time it's just easier to jump ship and since you can negotiate for new roles, it's usually a bit larger than whatever your current employer decides to give you.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

i am a moron posted:

I always find the "never take a counter" conversations interesting as someone who has both offered them and taken them and have seen someone in another field where interviewing and negotiating a new salary or leaving is a yearly occurrence because the labor is so short (contract research organization). I've been at the same place for a while, and when I started I was making 70k. I got a merit halfway through my first year to 75. Then I was promoted to a leadership position at the end of the first year and got bumped to 97k. The following year I ran our biggest/most profitable project ever and demanded I be compensated like one of the best in our company, with the understanding that if they didn't I was going to start looking. They sort of acquiesced and bumped me to 110k. Got another merit to 113k at some point. Our org was kind of falling apart at the seams at one point, so I started looking despite my job not being in jeopardy. Got an offer for an IC role at 135k and a 5k bonus. At that point I straight up turned in my two weeks assuming my company wouldn't even bother at that point. My company sent me an offer for 130k and five extra PTO days anyways so I stayed for the role. Got a 10k bonus that year. Got another merit to 135k anyways this spring.

So back of the napkin I've had 17k worth of merit raises, 22k for promotion, and 30k for using my leverage when I have it. I'm happily employed there and they are happy to employ me. Over the past ~3 years I've bonused out or given raises to four people. Not all of them are with the company still, but no one was fired for playing the game. I highly recommend it if you work for a place that isn't a hellhole, it's part of the game imo.

Usually the 'never take the counter offer' is the advice given in the context of someone who's fed up with their company's utter lack of interest in anything even approaching fair compensation. If the decision makers at a company have a history of actually attempting to keep people around, instead of a history of trying to gently caress people at every opportunity, I'm less likely to think, "if I take this counter offer, this is how they're going to gently caress me."

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"
I think you also get into what kind of work you do and what kind of company you work for. I work with internal IT departments for years at a time sometimes, but I'm not employed by them. Being a cost center is no fun. My experience being "in IT" at large public companies would lead me to accept I either leave or get a large promotion on another team. Private companies are cool and mine has 0 chance of ever being public.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Zorak of Michigan posted:

I don't know if that's literally true. Occasionally asking for a raise backed by an offer can be a good technique, but as a boss, I hope that if I get someone a decent counter, they're going to do me the courtesy of staying off the market for a while. If the same person brings up their salary again in six months and has another offer waiting, I'm not going to be nearly so well-disposed. You just took my counter, buddy. If it wasn't good enough to keep you off the market for at least a year, preferably too, then why did you say yes?

I’d agree with this. You can only play the counter offer card once or twice. Another reason to job hop every few years!

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Che Delilas posted:

Usually the 'never take the counter offer' is the advice given in the context of someone who's fed up with their company's utter lack of interest in anything even approaching fair compensation.

I find that it's because you want to quit because you hate the loving job and $20k won't magically make you happier

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Anybody had experience with Actifio?

https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/storage-data-transfer/google-enters-agreement-to-acquire-actifio

Maybe we can get something like Azure Backup that isn't poo poo and still billed on consumption

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
What the gently caress, service desk. You know better than to escalate poo poo like this without gathering any real actual information.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

devmd01 posted:

What the gently caress, service desk. You know better than to escalate poo poo like this without gathering any real actual information.



:downs:

What more info do you need? He asked for access to THE SQL server.

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angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010
My old boss was bored where I used to work and I knew he was looking to leave. In the end he took the counter, waited things out and got promoted. I always take it with a pinch of salt that when I see pages of 'don't take the counter on here' - probably right in the majority but not exclusively the right answer all the time.

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