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Earlier this week Police Scotland refused to confirm or deny whether it would provide escorts for vaccine transports, but said it was offered health boards advice.

“The storage and control of medication is a matter for individual health authorities, however we will work with all partners to offer advice and support where required,” a spokeswoman said.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I'm sure Boris will do the right thing by next Friday.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I'm sure Boris will do the right thing by next Friday.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

"Why contain it? s'cool."

Dravs posted:

I've been playing a lot of rear end Creed and I am pretty sure the country would be better off at the moment if it devolved back into Wessex, Murcia, East Anglia and Northumberland.

Brexit gonna put living standards back to the Iron Age anyway.

multijoe posted:

I still don't know how to process that this was the actual position of the UK government in March 2020 and the architect of the policy thought he was a analytical genius for coming up with it

gonadic io posted:

You mean in December 2020?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/05/sadiq-khan-heads-to-oxford-street-to-urge-public-to-go-shopping

Wow that's a lot of individually irresponsible people that is in no way the fault of any kind of system or preventable by such.

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Hospitality businesses in tier 2 areas welcomed the news: under the government’s new Covid-19 restrictions, which are enforced by local authorities, a “substantial meal” must accompany all alcoholic drinks that they serve – meaning many pubs and bars without kitchens would have struggled to reopen after the national lockdown ended in England on Tuesday.

Now, publicans are hoping they need only supply customers yearning for a freshly drawn pint with a cold scotch egg alongside their tipple of choice, to stay on the right side of a quintessentially British law.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

gonadic io posted:

You mean in December 2020?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/05/sadiq-khan-heads-to-oxford-street-to-urge-public-to-go-shopping

Wow that's a lot of individually irresponsible people that is in no way the fault of any kind of system or preventable by such.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

Samovar posted:

Thanks for the apology.

Barry Foster posted:

Thanks, genuinely.

multijoe posted:

bedpan posted:

I have liked reading your posts in the UK threads. It is a rare individual who's points of view and opinions actually change and evolve when presented with new information.

Jose posted:

its just a shame there are so many people who refuse to do what you've done

Jose posted:

Possibly the most annoying thing is the ehrc report backs up a lot of the labour report and people refuse to read that either

I can at least understand someone refusing to read the labour produced report

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

Desiderata posted:

they have ensured public know the ERHC report findings have TWO major breaches, but the press have gone out of their way to avoid mentioning what they actually are.

therattle posted:

Thanks all. You are very gracious. I was expecting a bit of poo poo, given that I'd been an rear end in a top hat, and had resolved not to respond as it would have been justified.

Admitting one is wrong about something is hard. One's ego is involved, and one gets committed to an argument and almost loses sight of what it is one is arguing about, if that makes sense. Changing one's mind is even harder, especially when it is around something like political beliefs. They are an integral part of one's identity, so if one is wrong about something so fundamental, then what else could one be wrong about?

I'm still not as left as most of the people here and on D&D, but I am still moving (as I think I have been my whole life), and while I am still not a huge fan of Corbyn (especially as a leader), I definitely judge him a lot less harshly than I did, and have recognised the extent to which he was subject to the most appalling media coverage - not just from the expected quarters like the DM, but also from the Guardian etc.

therattle posted:

Yeah, I read most of that one too and there’s very little contradiction between them, and some mutual reinforcement.

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

therattle posted:

Thanks all. You are very gracious. I was expecting a bit of poo poo, given that I'd been an rear end in a top hat, and had resolved not to respond as it would have been justified.

Admitting one is wrong about something is hard. One's ego is involved, and one gets committed to an argument and almost loses sight of what it is one is arguing about, if that makes sense. Changing one's mind is even harder, especially when it is around something like political beliefs. They are an integral part of one's identity, so if one is wrong about something so fundamental, then what else could one be wrong about?

I'm still not as left as most of the people here and on D&D, but I am still moving (as I think I have been my whole life), and while I am still not a huge fan of Corbyn (especially as a leader), I definitely judge him a lot less harshly than I did, and have recognised the extent to which he was subject to the most appalling media coverage - not just from the expected quarters like the DM, but also from the Guardian etc.

Judakel posted:

biden won't save you, he loves the irish more

gonadic io posted:

An insane mind posted:

This always baffled me, I mean yeah the U.S. is huge and probably a lucrative trading partner...but wouldn't having a trading block that you are geographically a lot closer to be far more preferable?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35871960 posted:

Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, says that the EU can take the credit for cleaner beaches, water and air.

"Membership of the EU has cleaned up our beaches, improved our water supplies and without the EU we would not even be debating the silent killer that is air pollution."

It's true that these issues are covered by EU laws, which have pushed for higher standards over time and that European rules are among the toughest in the world.

For example, the quality of water at beaches is governed by the revised Bathing Water Directive.

But outside the EU ,Britain might have implemented its own laws on environmental issues, as some other countries have done.

And it's surely going too far to say we wouldn't even be discussing air pollution without the EU.

The Clean Air Act, for example, was passed in the UK in 1956, long before we joined the European Community.

Reality check verdict: Over the top.

An insane mind posted:

This always baffled me, I mean yeah the U.S. is huge and probably a lucrative trading partner...but wouldn't having a trading block that you are geographically a lot closer to be far more preferable?

gonadic io posted:

e.g.