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Beachcomber posted:One of the few times TNG terrified kid-me. I once had an exam that involved reading x-rays off a projector and to get better contrast the teacher kept the lights off and everyone was supposed to bring in a small flashlight so we could see what we were writing. The whole test period was a constant, irregular clicking as 100+ students intermittently switched flashlights on and off. "I've been in this room before"
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Random reflections on 2 things we watched this weekend: Generations and DS9 S5E11 "The Darkness and the Light" Generations does get worse every time I watch it. I'm usually prone to defend it based on some of its aesthetically pleasing aspects and my good memories of it as a kid. Maybe being deep into DS9 is part of why I'm colder to it now. (My wife already had the destruction of the Enterprise spoiled by "The Way of the Warrior". Now DS9 got the First Contact uniforms and I think they reference FC pretty soon, so I'm trying to get that in the tank ASAP.) It's so incredibly clear that they rushed this thing. They had vague ideas of things they wanted and barely figured out how to tie them together. You really could make something good out of its parts with a few more drafts. Actually, the emotional scenes (re: Picard's family) played a little stronger for me this time around. But they're so wasted. We all know the biggest plot hole in the movie: Picard being told he can go "anywhere, any time" and making the least helpful choice possible for no apparent reason. This could've either been addressed with one line of dialog, or a reworked plot (and why not, because the plot is so inconsequential anyway). You could just say, "You can only travel to a place/time that was in the path of the Nexus". Bam. That limits him to a few known possibilities. 1) Veridian III (barely makes sense, because it would have to be before the Nexus actually arrived, but you can handwave that with a tachyon pulse or something). 2) The Enterprise B. Kirk and Soran were both there (Guinan could've told him this). Kirk gets to die in his own time, surrounded by his old friends. You'd have to find a way to get Picard back to the future, but that can't be that hard... 3) Some other planet the Nexus passed a little while ago, before Picard's family died. This would be tougher because Soran would've had to miss it somehow. But you could probably make it work. Foreshadow it in the Stellar Cartography scene maybe. Anyway. DS9 "The Darkness and the Light". I was surprised by how much this episode didn't work. They're firing on all cylinders lately, but this one is really sloppy. It's like pieces from a bunch of better episodes spliced together because they needed a Kira episode. A bunch of old secret agents are being assassinated (but Kira's friends instead of Garak's), and there's a Cardassian who wasn't really directly involved in the occupation but was considered guilty by the Bajorans anyway -- so basically "Duet", but everyone kind of acts like that episode never happened. Kira's all like "you deserved to die just for being there" which is certainly easier to swallow due to this guy being a serial killer who's trying to give her a forced C-section, but still feels contradictory enough to "Duet" that it needs to be addressed somehow. Worst of all, the episode ends with some of the worst dialog in the show's history: "He wanted to protect the innocent and separate the darkness from the light. But he didn't realize the light only shines in the dark, and sometimes innocence is just an excuse for the guilty." What the hell does that even mean? Whose emo high school kid's journal did they pull that from? Apparently this was actually one of Bryan Fuller's first contributions to the franchise. That kind of explains it... Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 7, 2020 |
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The mention of First Contact on DS9 is literally one line in a random episode so you don’t really need to worry
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"Remember when picard got the Moby Dick quote wrong?" "How would you know what he said?"
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FlamingLiberal posted:The mention of First Contact on DS9 is literally one line in a random episode so you don’t really need to worry It's really just my excuse to get her to watch it, because she likes DS9 more than everything else now and doesn't want to watch anything except that Also I'm doing it via a 7-day trial of CBSAA, so there's no going back now
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Ngl, I kinda dig this fake BOBW Part 2 cold open https://twitter.com/mikeokuda/status/1336064661750337537?s=21
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Ngl, I kinda dig this fake BOBW Part 2 cold open I would've been incredulous if I was forced to wait to the second part of this episode.
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Gonz posted:I would've been incredulous if I was forced to wait to the second part of this episode. Patrick Stewart was driving around LA after the first part aired and some people drove up next to him and shouted that he had ruined their summer.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Ngl, I kinda dig this fake BOBW Part 2 cold open "Not the right time, Q! gently caress off!"
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Also from Trek Twitter https://twitter.com/gates_mcfadden/status/1335757878783668224 Between this and Robert Duncan McNeil publicly reclaiming Threshold, this has been a banger few weeks for Great Awful Trek 
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McFadden owns, she’s also very aware of the ridiculous “There must be something wrong with the universe” line. She and Nana Visitor are both Cool Twitter Grandmas now.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:McFadden owns, she’s also very aware of the ridiculous “There must be something wrong with the universe” line. She and Nana Visitor are both Cool Twitter Grandmas now. I also appreciate Marina Sirtis having zero time for and going ham on any Twitter shitheads that cross her path in her always hilarious fashion too.
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Dec 8, 2020 04:45
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nine-gear crow posted:I also appreciate Marina Sirtis having zero time for and going ham on any Twitter shitheads that cross her path in her always hilarious fashion too. Sirtis feels neither pity nor mercy and it's great.
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Dec 8, 2020 06:07
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I was lucky to see the TNG cast reunion at a nerd con in 2014, and Sirtis was easily the highlight. She’s loving hilarious, and just about every story with her involved her being drunk on set.
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If I was an empath who was forced to be around rick berman I'd drink all the time too.
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I’m 100% certain Beckett Mariner was named in Sirtis’ honour.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I’m 100% certain Beckett Mariner was named in Sirtis’ honour. Named after Mike McMahan's sister, Beckett Mariner McMahan.
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Sir Lemming posted:
I find it hilarious because they spent months on the script of Generations and spent I think two weeks hammering out All Good Things....
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MikeJF posted:Named after Mike McMahan's sister, Beckett Mariner McMahan. V-Men posted:I find it hilarious because they spent months on the script of Generations and spent I think two weeks hammering out All Good Things.... I think I read somewhere that RDM said he almost wished they hadn't done Yesterday's Enterprise, because that plotline would have been perfect for Generations/saying goodbye to Kirk.
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Another sloppy moment in Generations: at the end, Troi asks Data why he's chosen not to remove the emotion chip. Even though earlier it's a big plot point that he can't remove it because it fused into his neural net or whatever.
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Eh, that just get sloppier in the later movies. He can turn it off at will in First Contact and "he didn't take it with him" (WTF) in Insurrection.
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After Generations it becomes about as important as the excuses they use to explain why Worf is there
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Sir Lemming posted:Another sloppy moment in Generations: at the end, Troi asks Data why he's chosen not to remove the emotion chip. Even though earlier it's a big plot point that he can't remove it because it fused into his neural net or whatever. She doesn't ask that. She asks if he's feeling okay.
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I know everyone makes fun of the Voyager episode with the scary clown but it was actually...pretty good? The second half felt a bit off, where the villain used death as a cudgel rather than keeping the horror movie vibe of the first half but on the other hand if they went too intense it would probably be too much for a show whose viewers weren't expecting horror going in
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cheetah7071 posted:I know everyone makes fun of the Voyager episode with the scary clown but it was actually...pretty good? The second half felt a bit off, where the villain used death as a cudgel rather than keeping the horror movie vibe of the first half but on the other hand if they went too intense it would probably be too much for a show whose viewers weren't expecting horror going in I don't think I've really seen anyone make fun of The Thaw all that much. It actually really good and also has one of the best Thou Shalt Not gently caress With Kathryn Janeway moments of all time at the end.
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bull3964 posted:Eh, that just get sloppier in the later movies. He can turn it off at will in First Contact and "he didn't take it with him" (WTF) in Insurrection. Eh, I assumed that after the events of Generations and everyone actually has a moment to breath that he and Geordi get it 'un-fused' or whatever.
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cheetah7071 posted:oh maybe I got the wrong impression from people posting the extremely ridiculous out-of-context images Yeah, it looks incredibly rizzable out of context, but it's probably one of the better episodes of Voyager in general and Joe Menosky's career as a writer in particular. Nobody really gets that because lol who the gently caress would watch Season 2 Voyager?
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, it looks incredibly rizzable out of context, but it's probably one of the better episodes of Voyager in general and Joe Menosky's career as a writer in particular. Nobody really gets that because lol who the gently caress would watch Season 2 Voyager? 
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, it looks incredibly rizzable out of context, but it's probably one of the better episodes of Voyager in general and Joe Menosky's career as a writer in particular. Nobody really gets that because lol who the gently caress would watch Season 2 Voyager? Brad Dourif fans?
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Timby posted:She doesn't ask that. She asks if he's feeling okay. Not unless this transcript is inaccurate -- which is possible given how much the script was revised, but it seems to match up with my memory... http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie7.html quote:DATA: It has been extremely difficult, Counselor. Speaking of Generations, I did appreciate how the changeling disguised as Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Dec 9, 2020 |
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"The Thaw" is the best episode of "Star Trek: The Original Series"
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The Thaw is great because it stars one half of the amazing Lenny and Squiggy team. RIP Squiggy, aka David Lander.. who starred in Peak Performance, TNG season 2, as the Ferengi tactician.. passed away recently due to multiple sclerosis..
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Wheeee posted:can't talk poo poo about an episode guest starring Chuck McGilll
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egon_beeblebrox posted:"The Thaw" is the best episode of "Star Trek: The Original Series" Holy poo poo I wanna see the end of the episode delivered by peak 60s Shatner now
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McSpanky posted:Holy poo poo I wanna see the end of the episode delivered by peak 60s Shatner now 🤡: ...I'm afraid.  : I... know.
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Janeway deserved a better show. Archer frankly didn't deserve the scraps he was given.
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