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Vox Nihili posted:Apparently the SF apartment smoking ban saga is not over quite yet. This is good news. As I said in my previous post, separate from the primary issue, the standing ordinance has issues itself; they really need a separate law for people and companies; the idea that the daily fine has no grace period to prove your compliance and that people could bear the cost of appealing an administrative decision is nuts. Maybe DPH never charges anyone with this stuff (DPH never gave any stats) but the way it reads is pretty bad. After dealing with that maybe the core issue can be tackled; it's obvious this ordinance was originally designed to hold businesses accountable.
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https://twitter.com/michaelluo/status/1336877463868235776 Cool gerontocracy we got.
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Can't wait for her to once again make a run at being the leading Dem on the Judiciary Committee and when some aide whispers to her that she promised to step down get real mad and claim she never said that.
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this is a good article, thanks for sharing
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the market will never get you cheap housing. if housing was cheap, the margins on constructing it would drop, which would mean investment for them would dry up and go to other things. it's econ 101 poo poo and it's embarrassing when grown-rear end adults still haven't figured it out.
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sincx posted:Most of the cost of housing in SF/LA is in the land, not the construction.* Pretty sure the OP is including the cost of land in the cost of constructing housing.
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There are boarded up buildings, empty office towers, vacant hotels, and cordoned off homes all over San Francisco, the Bay Area, California, and the United States. The tweet is a lie and so is “the housing market.”
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Housing shouldn't be an investment. Full stop. It should be a crappy investment for anyone to look at that probably loses everyone involved money. The fact that it's intensely profitable creates massive pressure to entrench barriers to entry, limit supply, and attract speculators. The less profitable housing is the more will be built because the only way to exist in the industry will be via scale rather than scarcity AND the giant investment groups will stop treating it as a juicy place to part desperate money looking for returns. SFH zoning is part of that problem, but without rent caps and regulation that kneecaps the potential profitability of landlords it's all just more scarcity politics.
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single-family residential zoning is explicitly racist and should be ended on those grounds alone
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yeah, market economies (especially wrt to housing) are bullshit but lmfao if you don't realize that the vast majority of the bay area's housing problems are government inflicted. keep railing against those evil developers building the one thing that makes them money, tho. i'm sure they'll realize the error of their ways and voluntarily start hemorrhaging money into unprofitable "affordable" housing any day now.
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what if rent wasnt like so much money lol. can u imagine that. bro i would be rich lol
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also according to CARB, sprawl and housing affordability is now a climate change issue people arguing in favor of the status quo should absolutely be made to own both the racism and the climate-death aspects of this
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:also according to CARB, sprawl and housing affordability is now a climate change issue it's it vitally important that we maintain racially segregated neighborhoods and anyone who suggests otherwise is actually racist
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https://twitter.com/mayavada/status/1336966410673684480?s=21 click through the thread
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"Most of their buildings are rentals, and like this one. This is not where people want to live in Los Angeles." First of all to my knowledge that building doesn't loving exist and second that person has clearly not seen that part of LA lately.
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Oneiros posted:yeah, market economies (especially wrt to housing) are bullshit but lmfao if you don't realize that the vast majority of the bay area's housing problems are government inflicted. keep railing against those evil developers building the one thing that makes them money, tho. i'm sure they'll realize the error of their ways and voluntarily start hemorrhaging money into unprofitable "affordable" housing any day now. the solution is neither to entice nor to harangue private developers but toactually build housing. your government is the mechanism you have for doing that.
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How do you deal with arguments that there are too many people in the Bay Area and SF already? I get arguments about water scarcity and traffic from homeowners all the time, less so for concerns about crime or property values, although I do know a lot of angry people trying to sell now and are infuriated that millennials aren’t fighting over their lovely Menlo Park ranch homes the way they were before the pandemic. They might have to sell their homes for only four times what they bought it for.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do you deal with arguments that there are too many people in the Bay Area and SF already? I get arguments about water scarcity and traffic from homeowners all the time, less so for concerns about crime or property values, although I do know a lot of angry people trying to sell now and are infuriated that millennials aren’t fighting over their lovely Menlo Park ranch homes the way they were before the pandemic. They might have to sell their homes for only four times what they bought it for. My biggest frustration is with  progressives that unwittingly fight on the same side of reactionaries.
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El Mero Mero posted:Housing shouldn't be an investment. Full stop.  Join EBPREC today!
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CopperHound posted:I mean if they are actually selling and leaving the area... that's a net good? They’re selling, but they’ve gotten so used to expecting hilarious windfalls for completely lovely houses that I’m curious what will happen if there’s ever a substantial dip in the market. The sellers I’m talking about want to pay off their mortgages, be able to buy houses with cash in slightly cooler but nevertheless hot markets like Oregon and Colorado, and handle the taxes with the leftover money. They all say they won’t leave ever if they don’t get the money they want. ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 10, 2020 |
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ProperGanderPusher posted:How do you deal with arguments that there are too many people in the Bay Area and SF already? I get arguments about water scarcity and traffic from homeowners all the time, less so for concerns about crime or property values, although I do know a lot of angry people trying to sell now and are infuriated that millennials aren’t fighting over their lovely Menlo Park ranch homes the way they were before the pandemic. They might have to sell their homes for only four times what they bought it for. The traffic is caused by sprawl, which is a result of sfh zoning. The water scarcity issue is totally and completely unrelated to the number of people in the area as industry water usage accounts for 80% of the usage in california. Even if you look at just the residential usage single family homes with giant back yards in Hillsborough dominate and use 8-100x what a household in an apartment or condo would ever use. "There are too many people" is also a 21st century way of saying that we don't want outsiders or different (non-white ) residents in our neighborhood.
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This is dope. I really like the sustainable economies law center er and hadn't seen that they'd launched this. Thanks. Doc Hawkins posted:the solution is neither to entice nor to harangue private developers but toactually build housing. your government is the mechanism you have for doing that. Totally agree
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https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1336877322784419842 Wouldn't it be nice if this were the scandal that stuck?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:single-family residential zoning is explicitly racist and should be ended on those grounds alone yeah well so is capitalism but that doesn't stop this forum from advocating for austere, practical, common sense solutions that reach across the aisle and help us come together, heal our divisions, and rekindle the promise of this great land thank you and god bless
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'Too many people' is often a dogwhistle for 'Too many immigrants'. I never hear these types of people wring their hands about too many white people moving into an area.
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A goon who does construction management (planning? I don't remember) once explained all the ways that construction is more expensive in San Francisco. One of them is that concrete mixers have to drive up from the Peninsula or across one of the bridges, and in either case there's a severe risk that the concrete will have waited too long to be poured. Another is the higher cost of transport in general, because delivery costs reflect the time it takes to make them. There were others.
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Panfilo posted:'Too many people' is often a dogwhistle for 'Too many immigrants'. I never hear these types of people wring their hands about too many white people moving into an area. gonna publish a medium article titled One Billion San Franciscans
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Arsenic Lupin posted:https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1336877322784419842 They should set up a retirement community for legislators where they can pretend they are still in congress, like that village full of dementia patients in Denmark.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:A goon who does construction management (planning? I don't remember) once explained all the ways that construction is more expensive in San Francisco. One of them is that concrete mixers have to drive up from the Peninsula or across one of the bridges, and in either case there's a severe risk that the concrete will have waited too long to be poured. Another is the higher cost of transport in general, because delivery costs reflect the time it takes to make them. There were others. That's true. When my company buys concrete for projects in SF it always comes from Oakland, Martinez, or San Rafael. Disposing of construction debris in SF is also vastly more expensive. We usually have to take it to Marin Resource Recovery because SF won't accept dump receipts from other recycling centers and Marin charges a fortune. SF also charges us per employee who doesn't have employer provided healthcare from us. It doesn't matter if they get it through their spouse's employer, we have to pay a fee to the city. Getting permits costs a ton in terms of labor costs because we have to send someone to DPH for an entire day because you just have to sit there and wait forever. That is, unless you pay a permit expediter. Parking for workers is also ridiculous. Did you know that you can't park workers in the spaces you reserve with a street space permit and that even if you're working on a large building, sometimes you can literally only get one spot for the vast number of trades and all their workers working on a project? Because of this, we sometimes have to charge a full day for 6 hours of effective work because people have to park in 2 hour parking and move their cars all day long. SF makes construction incredibly difficult. I'm not in housing development, so I don't know what other things increase costs, but I'm sure they're there.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:A goon who does construction management (planning? I don't remember) once explained all the ways that construction is more expensive in San Francisco. One of them is that concrete mixers have to drive up from the Peninsula or across one of the bridges, and in either case there's a severe risk that the concrete will have waited too long to be poured. Another is the higher cost of transport in general, because delivery costs reflect the time it takes to make them. There were others. Xaris posted:Labor is expensive because there aren't enough and also lots of them live far away because they can't afford it. It's not glamorous and not a lot of people going into it even though prevailing wage pays very well, like $35/hr minimum and $53/hr after 8 ontop of some minimum required other benefits that comes out to be $56/hr and $75/hr in OT. PW is extremely cool and good but it's something most other states don't have to pay. Xaris posted:yeah there's just lots of issues. if i had to wishlist from easiest to hardest:
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Xenix posted:Because of this, we sometimes have to charge a full day for 6 hours of effective work because people have to park in 2 hour parking and move their cars all day long. SF makes construction incredibly difficult.
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CA Notify is live: https://canotify.uchealth.edu/ Please use this on your phones.
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El Mero Mero posted:Housing shouldn't be an investment. This guy had the answer. There isn't anything explicitly racist about the existence of a suburb. There has been, and still is, structural issues that persistently have kept them segregated. Example: The sprawling suburbs of Vegas are because the vast majority of the city was constructed post-Reagan and so wasn't subjected to redlining, loan manipulation, etc that the old east coast cities are. That isn't to ignore that there is a historically Black region in town that has always been afflicted with poverty, because in Sinatra's heyday this place was as racist as most Confederate states ("Mississippi of the west" and all that), but outsiders moving into the city's newer suburbs are more of a cultural mix than you might expect because new properties aren't snapped up and then land-hoarded for a lifetime under the racist policies of the past. We did get hit very hard by the 2008 recession and nearly turn into another Detroit for it, but you'll notice through Obama's first term the right-wing response was that the recession was *really* caused by progressive policies trying to force loan handouts to
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:CA Notify is live: That is a good link but this one is marginally better since the url is shorter: https://canotify.ca.gov/ I'm pretty sure the content of the websites are exactly the same.
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starbucks hermit posted:That is a good link but this one is marginally better since the url is shorter: Thanks. I was looking for that one, but google kept giving me the UC one.
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