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I think those were count as political refugee by the UN standard. Has PRC joined UN at that time?
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Dec 14, 2020 03:39
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stephenthinkpad posted:I think those were count as political refugee by the UN standard. Has PRC joined UN at that time? they joined in the early 70s iirc (well, replaced taiwan, anyway) so it was before that
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Dec 14, 2020 03:44
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Antonymous posted:If you're descended from Chinese citizens yeah, you have to renounce all other nationalities tho Thanks. I was looking for ammo against left-leaning folks criticizing the US's immigration policy.
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Dec 14, 2020 03:52
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human garbage bag posted:Thanks. I was looking for ammo against left-leaning folks criticizing the US's immigration policy. getting permanent residency is doable through a few different ways but citizenship is incredibly difficult and you have to be stateless i think
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Dec 14, 2020 04:08
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you can get permanent residency pretty quickly if you’re rich, or by working in a high paying job (as in a p deece 6.5 figgies equivalent) and paying a lot of taxes for >3 years, or by being married to a chinese citizen and living in china for 5 years
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Dec 14, 2020 04:11
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human garbage bag posted:Thanks. I was looking for ammo against left-leaning folks criticizing the US's immigration policy. The question and my answer are not really meaningful in that context. Most "immigrants" to the US and other western countries didn't immigrate because they love voting for old white rapists or guns or hate black people just like real Americans do. They went because the US is a rich country with better economic opportunities. It's just that for many, the easiest way to get a piece of that is to become an American citizen. If the US had some kind of guest worker program, like they did for Latin American and Filipino agricultural workers in the first half of the 20th century, or gave out long term work visas, most "immigrants" would be fine with that. But there's no political reason today for that to happen so the only way to do so is to immigrate. If you, a foreigner, have a good economic opportunity in China today, you can already avail yourself of it easily, see all the child rapists in the GBS thread who teach English there. It's trivially easy as a foreigner to get some kind of work visa EDIT: and even permanent residency as the poster above says. No one is going to give you an H1B visa to teach Chinese in America. There's no real comparability because American "immigration" is just a fig leaf for liberals over America's exploitative labor regime. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dec 14, 2020 04:14
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if you really want to live in china, it’s not really that hard. i know an american here in shenzhen that came over on a tourist visa, dropped about $3000 into legal fees and filing to register a filmography business in his name, and issued himself a work permit and work visa
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Dec 14, 2020 04:21
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China is a developing country that has only just pulled the last of it's citizenry out of extreme poverty this year. America is the wealthiest nation in the history of the planet that has exploited the entire third world. Most of the people immigrating to the US are from countries that Americans have destroyed in their pursuit of endless extraction. Do you maybe see why there are different standards when it comes to either's immigration policy?
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Dec 14, 2020 04:27
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fart simpson posted:getting permanent residency is doable through a few different ways but citizenship is incredibly difficult and you have to be stateless i think Met a guy who had it. Said that he has to go through the same 90 minute "what is this? no I need your shenfenzheng or visa" routine pretty much every time he would need to show his passport.
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Dec 14, 2020 05:01
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VideoTapir posted:Met a guy who had it. Said that he has to go through the same 90 minute "what is this? no I need your shenfenzheng or visa" routine pretty much every time he would need to show his passport. had pr or citizenship?
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Dec 14, 2020 05:05
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sincx posted:If a "France watcher" didn't speak French, or a "Latin America watcher" didn't speak Spanish, very few of their peers would take them seriously. idk I don't pay attention to any "xx watchers" so it wouldn't surprise me, lol. But my main thing was I dunno if "fluency" is required cuz thats such a weird word that no two people have the same definition of. There's a lot of technical jargon some people don't know and have to use translations for esp when reporting in another language. Like if you're reporting on China's covid response and can read everyday or even specialized Chinese about policy or whatever but don't know any specialized medical language I think it's fair to get a translation or in-Chinese help for like academic studies of efficacy of vaccines to make sure your reporting is correct, esp. wrt terminology. however its also important to explain where those translations are/what they are cuz this is where a lot of mistakes can happen. again my main thing was I've seen people try to discredit people with dece to good chinese cuz they make random spoken mistakes or minor typos, which seems p unfair? i'm not trying to defend any people who don't know any chinese and have no desire to learn any despite having jobs to report on the place for major organizations.
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Dec 14, 2020 08:31
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Magna Kaser posted:idk I don't pay attention to any "xx watchers" so it wouldn't surprise me, lol. and yet...
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Dec 14, 2020 10:29
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back to the countryside https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1338415465551462400
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Dec 14, 2020 10:37
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for actual content and real cyberpunk: this hospital has developed a chip to put in your brain to help with depression, and is looking for volunteers to start trials. Ailumao has issued a correction as of 10:58 on Dec 14, 2020 |
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Dec 14, 2020 10:55
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Magna Kaser posted:for actual content and real cyberpunk: unfortunately trying to find an English source on this just turns up old Neuralink articles  fix my brain President Xi!
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Dec 14, 2020 12:04
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fart simpson posted:had pr or citizenship? Residency. 'china green card' I can't recall i think the card may have even said that on it.
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Dec 14, 2020 13:13
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https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 ???????????????
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Dec 14, 2020 13:30
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 kurt "hentai research project" buchenwald
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Dec 14, 2020 13:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 lol
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Dec 14, 2020 13:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 did...did anything snowden leak involve CIA operations to destabilize Tibet by propping the dalai lama theocracy?
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Dec 14, 2020 14:04
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Kurt's trying to pivot to a career in China watching based on his extensive experience watching east asian media
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Dec 14, 2020 15:10
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 nice
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Dec 14, 2020 16:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19 how do you use the internet to monitor remote mountain villages that are 100 miles from the nearest wifi connection
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Dec 14, 2020 16:04
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Chomskyan posted:Kurt's trying to pivot to a career in China watching based on his extensive experience watching east asian media lol
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Dec 14, 2020 16:14
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jimmy dore living the dream of telling matt stoller to gently caress off to his face (over zoom) https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1338497472780374018?s=19
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Dec 14, 2020 16:33
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Protagorean posted:jimmy dore living the dream of telling matt stoller to gently caress off to his face (over zoom) holy poo poo
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Dec 14, 2020 16:47
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Protagorean posted:jimmy dore living the dream of telling matt stoller to gently caress off to his face (over zoom) hahaha this is the poo poo, 
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Dec 14, 2020 21:40
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Chomskyan posted:Kurt's trying to pivot to a career in China watching based on his extensive experience watching east asian media heh
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Dec 14, 2020 21:52
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https://twitter.com/michaelxpettis/status/1338492601989783554 is the CCP gonna actually do something about unaffordable housing
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Dec 14, 2020 22:54
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mila kunis posted:https://twitter.com/michaelxpettis/status/1338492601989783554 Throatwarbler posted:But where would they find anyone who speaks Chinese, an extremely rare and almost forgotten language? Uh oh watch out this guy doesn't speak Chinese
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Dec 14, 2020 23:07
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Throatwarbler posted:But where would they find anyone who speaks Chinese, an extremely rare and almost forgotten language? quote:What China really needs is a transformation of its institutions in a direction that some might argue is very different from the direction it is currently following. dude is full of mealy mouthed bullshit recommendations
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Dec 15, 2020 00:10
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VideoTapir posted:Residency. 'china green card' lol, i can see that.
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Dec 15, 2020 03:19
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mila kunis posted:is the CCP gonna actually do something about unaffordable housing More loans to poor people
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Dec 15, 2020 03:36
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hakimashou posted:One of the biggest mistakes naive people can make about China is thinking it is anything except the exactly identical eastern hemisphere counterpart of like the worst kind of white Europeans in history. 
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Dec 15, 2020 14:45
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On the basis of what evidence precisely are GBS goons saying that all of China’s cotton picking is carried out by slaves?
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Dec 15, 2020 15:55
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Chomskyan posted:On the basis of what evidence precisely are GBS goons saying that all of China’s cotton picking is carried out by slaves? This bbc story https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/nz0g306v8c/china-tainted-cotton Which is sourced from another Zenz report. https://cgpolicy.org/briefs/coercive-labor-in-xinjiang-labor-transfer-and-the-mobilization-of-ethnic-minorities-to-pick-cotton/ How well fact-checked this is after the last round of poorly translated statistics is debatable.
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Dec 15, 2020 16:57
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Reddit's frontpage is not surprisingly awful when it comes to bullshit about china. But interestly, there's been a lot of pushback against bullshit sources. The recent cotton story had some great responses, include this highly rated comment regarding the translation " quote:First, "人次" does not have an English equivalent but it means person-instance, e.g. a factory with 100 workers will count 500人次 for labor in a 5-day working week, confusing this term with population immediately strikes me as alarming because the article editors clearly had no Chinese speaker on staff. The fact that reddit is catching onto the bullshit before GBS, D&D, and parts of cspam is really sad.
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Dec 15, 2020 17:30
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Kindest Forums User posted:
They probably did it before the US think tanks.
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Dec 15, 2020 20:11
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https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006523/fed-up-with-capitalism%2C-young-chinese-brush-up-on-das-kapital https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006522/the-new-style-pop-histories-making-socialism-cool-again Online and on social media, popular historians are helping young Chinese reframe the country’s leftist past in a more positive light. Fed Up With Capitalism, Young Chinese Brush Up on ‘Das Kapital’ With a new generation increasingly burned out by the “996” grind and liberal platitudes of their elders, can Marxism make a comeback? The new consensus is reflective of a broader ideological shift among young Chinese, especially those born in the economic boom times of the 1990s and 2000s. Simultaneously confident in China’s rise and nostalgic for the relative egalitarianism, equality, and revolutionary enthusiasm of the Mao era, they’re willing to look past the turmoil of his rule in favor of the work he did laying the foundations of China’s resurgence. [...] Among the most prominent of these new views is the increased recognition of and appreciation for China’s “socialist period” (1949-1979). Beginning not long after Mao’s death in 1976 and stretching through the 1980s and ’90s, many Chinese intellectuals and historians openly embraced the West, liberalism, and humanism as China’s future, while rejecting China’s own traditions and the revolution Mao wrought. Their work naturally reflects this tendency, and is frequently filled with nods to the “beacon” of the United States and dismissive attitudes toward China. For young Chinese, who’ve grown up in a very different international, political, and economic milieu, it’s increasingly hard to relate to this outlook. Rather than viewing the Mao era as a failed utopian project, they increasingly credit these three decades — and the men and women who lived through them — as having produced the major advances in basic industry, society building, life expectancy, health care, cultural production, and national security on which their lives and prosperity are founded. [...] Of course, no reappraisal of China’s socialist period can avoid the question of Mao, and Industrial Party and other, similar articles are often flooded by comments from readers describing how their attitudes toward the former Chairman have shifted. They talk about how they used to buy into the liberal and right-wing narratives that painted his time in charge as a disaster. When they got older, however, and began to consider not just China’s problems, but global issues from a truly independent viewpoint, they say they realized just how important he was to building the foundations of a strong China and keeping the country free from imperialism. [...] But articles on their own don’t make a movement; they’ve resonated so deeply because of how very different young Chinese experiences and attitudes are from previous generations. Put simply: Life under capitalism isn’t all it was cracked up to be. Young Chinese born in the 1990s and 2000s grew up in an era of rapid economic growth and a corresponding rise in China’s overall national strength. Especially after 2008, when the West found itself mired in a global economic crisis of its own making and China grew to become the second-largest economy in the world, Western ideologies such as liberalism have gradually lost their post-Cold War cultural hegemony. [...] For my money, however, the most important motivating factor behind the embrace of the country’s socialist period is that young Chinese have lived and suffered under capitalism. Their recognition of and appreciation for the CCP’s early socialism-building achievements is underpinned by a broader reappraisal of the history and theory of the international socialist movement since the 19th century. This reappraisal goes deeper than reproducing zombie narratives or 20th century rhetoric: It’s based on a vivid sense of contemporary life and reality. Young Chinese have spent much of their lives watching the decay of the global capitalist order, the rise of inequality, and the collapse of working class status. The earlier generation embraced pure market ideology, private enterprise, and capitalism, but to many young Chinese who work in the private sector their elders built, these ideas are associated not with unleashing productivity, but the droning pressure of “involution,” feelings of relative deprivation, and grueling work schedules like the 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six-day-a-week marathon known as “996.” Indeed, almost anywhere you look online, there’s a palpable sense of anger and frustration at capitalism and market ideology. First, young Chinese are forced to work extreme hours with seemingly little to show for it, then they have to listen people like Alibaba co-founder Jack Ma lecture them about how working 996 is a “blessing” or watch as the wealthy profit from their investment and real estate portfolios without having to lift a finger. Recent years have even seen the resurgence of derogatory uses of “capitalist” and other highly loaded terms in popular discourse, as young leftists seek ways to vent their frustration. [...] And because they grew up in an educational system with mandatory courses on Marxism and socialism, even seemingly impractical or outdated concepts like class and “surplus value” become handy analytical frameworks when many students encounter difficulties later in life. [...] Interestingly, one of the most popular interpreters of the Marxist tradition isn’t Chinese at all, but the American academic Richard D. Wolff. Netizens have pulled videos of his lectures from YouTube and re-uploaded subtitled versions to sites like Bilibili under titles like “Why Aren’t You a Marxist?” Despite his academic background, Wolff has garnered praise for his clear-eyed analysis and accessible explanations of core concepts, and some of his videos on Bilibili have gone on to rack up more views than the originals. Closer to home, Bilibili has also helped popularize the work of Chinese agronomist Wen Tiejun, whose history, “Eight Crises: China’s Real Experiences, 1949-2009” has enjoyed a concurrent resurgence in popularity and sales.
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