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the space folding is just a technology they have, but the process is non-deterministic so you have to have these clairvoyant navigators to predict a path that won't end up inside a star or something. very powerful computers can do it to a suitable level of accuracy too but computers are haraam.
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Jonny 290 posted:hi all you nerds bitchign about hyperdrive flaws in ep8: hyperdrive fuel is actually concentrated midichlorian solution, extracted from force-sensitive slaves H.P. Hovercraft posted:actually thanks to the solo movie the kessel run is now canonically difficult because there's a big space monster in there because i'm a big nerd i became instantly angry at that scene when i noticed the the space creature's tentacles have suckers on them, which don't work in a vacuum. it never would have evolved that way. mad
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Sagebrush posted:the space folding is just a technology they have, but the process is non-deterministic so you have to have these clairvoyant navigators to predict a path that won't end up inside a star or something. in lynch dune im pretty sure its the navigators actually folding the space and idr anything specific about it in the novel
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Dec 17, 2020 02:15
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i remember being told about a golden-age sf story where big space battleships had an advantage because they could fit a larger and more precise slide rule along their center axis (and thus could make more precise navigational and targeting calculations than smaller ships)
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Dec 17, 2020 02:20
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the first book specifically says that the navigators have "limited prescience" and they look ahead in time to find the safe path. the space-folding is part of the holtzman effect, a physics phenomenon that also enables shields and anti-gravity.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:21
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FMguru posted:i remember being told about a golden-age sf story where big space battleships had an advantage because they could fit a larger and more precise slide rule along their center axis (and thus could make more precise navigational and targeting calculations than smaller ships) this is dope lmao
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Dec 17, 2020 02:21
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reminds me of the concept i thought up one day where information was encoded in an offset+length format using calculated digits of pi. crypto cracking would become a pure most-digits-computed arms race
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Dec 17, 2020 02:21
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book dune they're super duper mentats, huffing spice gives them enough brain to look at the data and figure out a safe way to go from a to b. the actual space folding isn't what they do, they just steer. the physical deformity poo poo is because of how much spice they need in order to get there. i'm not sure if it's explicitly stated that machines used to do those calculations before the butlerian jihad, or if it's just implied. (not counting brian herbert fanfic here). but it definitely comes up that one of the players in the story is trying to build new thinking machines to do the astrogation.
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Dec 17, 2020 02:26
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Jabor posted:book dune they're super duper mentats, huffing spice gives them enough brain to look at the data and figure out a safe way to go from a to b. the actual space folding isn't what they do, they just steer. the physical deformity poo poo is because of how much spice they need in order to get there. does the book even talk about physical deformities? i thought the book just says nobody outside the guild has even seen a navigator
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Dec 17, 2020 02:31
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there’s a very famous golden age short where some random schmuck redisovers math without using a computer and the military immediately starts training kamikaze bomb controllers because they are cheaper than computers there’s a lot of great golden age scifi out there, if you can take it for what it is (same caveats as other pulp, like noir etc)
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fart simpson posted:does the book even talk about physical deformities? i thought the book just says nobody outside the guild has even seen a navigator in the first book no one has ever seen a navigator. at the end a couple of guildsmen show up and they are regular short fat guys but it doesn't say they are navigators. in one of the later books the navigator edric is described as having long fingers and a smoothed out face and stuff but he's still humanoid. david lynch invented the weird worm thing wholesale because he's david lynch.
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fart simpson posted:does the book even talk about physical deformities? i thought the book just says nobody outside the guild has even seen a navigator the original book doesn't, but frank's later books do
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Dec 17, 2020 02:38
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the start of the first sequel (dune messiah) has a navigator (edric) meeting some conspirators to plan their overthrow of emperor paul, and he is described as "an elongated figure, vaguely humanoid with finned feet and hugely fanned membranous hands — a fish in a strange sea"
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Dec 17, 2020 02:39
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lol if you’ve read any dune sequels
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Dec 17, 2020 02:49
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archer season 11 just came to netflix, nice
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Dec 17, 2020 02:59
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PCjr sidecar posted:
Skylark of Space series was good imo
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Dec 17, 2020 03:00
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fart simpson posted:lol if you’ve read any dune sequels My coworker is a big fan of old school sci fi serials and says Dune and Dune Messiah were essentially released and written as one book in magazine form (tho I haven't read Messiah to confirm)
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qirex posted:westworld was a moderately interesting idea that got turned by s3 into setups for a bunch of incredibly unimpressive "epic moments" that are all dumb as hell if you think about them for more than 5 seconds After a few episodes, the fundamental insufficiency of Westworld as a piece of art became impossible to ignore even to the most fervent television evangelist, but the flagship prestige show on the flagship prestige network was simply too big to fail. So the Westworld articles spit out by content-mills focused mostly on decoding the show’s central plot mysteries (Who is the Man in Black? What is the Labyrinth? Who killed Arnold?), rather than analysis of banalities like “character” or “theme” or “emotional resonance.” The glossier outlets insisted that Westworld’s wooly-headed pretentiousness and compulsive mystery-mongering were actually a satire of prestige TV tropes. (“An exploitation series about exploitation, full of naked bodies that are meant to make us think about nudity and violence that comments on violence”—Emily Nussbaum) Anything to avoid the obvious fact that everyone watched the show because it had boobs and blood and because everyone else was watching it and it’s so lonely out here. One of the bitterest of the many bitter ironies of the digital age is that the explosion of television options and web-based platforms featuring cultural writing has led not to a flowering of creativity and a golden age of critical insight, but an all-consuming monoculture. A cargo cult where the trappings of a few groundbreaking cable shows from early in the millennium have hardened into tropes that power a legion of inferior imitators. Even more disturbingly, dozens of writers at dozens of outlets that depend on clicks and engagement have forged a hive-mind of positivity about the whole thing, assuring their audience that a diet of cultural junk food is just as healthy as balanced meals, because television is the medium best suited to the lives of internet-addicted office drones. Hopefully, as the Golden Age of the Golden Age of Television recedes farther into memory, and as viewers’ working conditions grow more and more intolerable, there will be a collective realization that we deserve better than Prestige https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/05/how-tv-became-respectable-without-getting-better Xaris fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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fart simpson posted:lol if you’ve read any dune sequels
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Dec 17, 2020 03:55
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New Expanse is up and pretty spaceships go boom
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Dec 17, 2020 03:57
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theyre doing the fuckin thing where they put out the first 3 and then release the rest once a week
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Dec 17, 2020 04:05
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Good, I hate feeling like I'm behind just because I can't binge twenty hours of television all at once
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Dec 17, 2020 04:16
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i like westworld, it has robots shooting at things and things shooting at robots
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Dec 17, 2020 04:46
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duz posted:i like westworld, it has robots shooting at things and things shooting at robots
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duz posted:i like westworld, it has robots shooting at things and things shooting at robots so does terminator watch t2 instead
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Jabor posted:this was always my understanding - big gravity wells mess up hyperdrives, which is why e.g. the transports needed to take off and fly away from Hoth before entering hyperspace. yeah but in TFA Han comes out of hyperspace like 50 yards above a planet’s surface. also in The Mandalorian an Imperial Cruiser jumps to hyperspace in the atmosphere
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Dec 17, 2020 06:06
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in season 2 of westworld there's samurai world I was really looking forward to and it was the dumbest poo poo almost to the point of racism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqHz4ebJ_vU "what do we know about samurai?" "well they talk and fight with swords and kill themselves" "okay done check it off"
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Dec 17, 2020 06:12
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you gotta admit, it's pretty on-brand for "rich person theme park built around samurai"
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Dec 17, 2020 06:16
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to be fair it’s supposed to appeal to ultra rich Americans, not be historically accurate. the Wild West park (and the brief glimpse we get of India World) is all stereotypes too, it seemed deliberate
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Dec 17, 2020 06:17
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it's not even a good fight though
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Dec 17, 2020 06:20
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lol I'm sure it's obvious why it pisses me off, but I mean they could have re-created a famous movie fight even
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indigi posted:to be fair it’s supposed to appeal to ultra rich Americans, not be historically accurate. the Wild West park (and the brief glimpse we get of India World) is all stereotypes too, it seemed deliberate but in s3 you find out that westworld and all the parks are actually in china
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Dec 17, 2020 06:24
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they just couldnt find any local chinese workers qualified to do any jobs at all in the park i guess? so lets just import literally 100% of our labor from america and england. im sure this was all planned out before they wrote season 1
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Dec 17, 2020 06:25
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fart simpson posted:but in s3 you find out that westworld and all the parks are actually in china lol is there any reason for this
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Dec 17, 2020 06:29
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i dont think so. the only reason afaict is that you didnt expect this, did you
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they explicitly call out the writer reusing his western scripts in samuraiworld which would be some interesting allusions to film history etc if the show was better the game of thrones cameo in s3 was great because it made got fans mad
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Dec 17, 2020 06:50
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:New Expanse is up and pretty spaceships go boom yessssss time to dust off my belter impression and loudly shout "oi who dis Fred Johnson say he a belta?" every time that guy is in screen
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Dec 17, 2020 10:06
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SmokaDustbowl posted:in season 2 of westworld there's samurai world I was really looking forward to and it was the dumbest poo poo almost to the point of racism
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SmokaDustbowl posted:so does terminator watch t2 instead i have already seen that tho
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