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Wowporn posted:I dunno that lipstick humbucker on the 59x sounds like something special. I agree about the strats, although I tend to think the bridge pickup is not generally the priority when you’re going with a strat anyway Not played the new humbuckers really but Danelectros are traditionally wired with the lippys in series in the middle position so its big and beefy but with a nice jangly phase because of the distance between the coils. By far the most useful sound they have. Wish I still had my Korean DC59 - bought it more for the novelty of a salmon pink guitar back then but there's lots of stuff I could use it on these days.
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beer gas canister posted:The Foxy Lady chord is a dominant 7 #9 chord, meaning it has a minor 3rd (#9), but either implicitly or explicitly, there's a major third too (dominant 7 chords have major thirds). In classical harmony it's sometimes called a "split tertian" chord. Rockists call it the Hendrix chord but it's had a place in American pop since at least the Tin Pan Alley days. Duke Ellington used them often. #9 chords rule I don't disagree, and I definitely occasionally play it with the E#9 Hendrix chord shape, but I fail to see where the major third is, at least the way I play it? Of course, I don't know the bass line, it could be there? It is an awesome chord, and I really like "split tertian" as a name for it, it makes more sense than #9.
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BonHair posted:I don't disagree, and I definitely occasionally play it with the E#9 Hendrix chord shape, but I fail to see where the major third is the second lowest pitch also lol rockists e: wait you're talking about foxy lady not the chord itself. that opening chord is just a f#m7 with the 5th omitted The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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BonHair posted:I don't disagree, and I definitely occasionally play it with the E#9 Hendrix chord shape, but I fail to see where the major third is, at least the way I play it? Of course, I don't know the bass line, it could be there? Yeah I don't think there's a major third (Bb) anywhere in the first ~40 seconds of Foxy Lady. However there are a lot of (explicit) minor thirds. You don't get an F# major until the chorus starts, but then those are just straight major triads, to my ears anyway.
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Just sat with the guitar, and i guess you could play xxx355 instead of xxxx55 after the bass notes to get the major third, but it feels awkward and kind of unnecessary. Also the second part of the riff is a minor blues scale thing (A B C C#), which suggests that the major third doesn't really belong, since the dual third is a major blues scale thing.
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Lester Shy posted:Yeah I don't think there's a major third (Bb) anywhere in the first ~40 seconds of Foxy Lady. However there are a lot of (explicit) minor thirds. The A# in the chorus (Bb doesn't belong in F# - each letter name should appear only once per scale, unless you're playing a 8+ note scale or some other unusual thing) is enough to imply a #9. He uses a similar chord in Purple Haze that does contain both a natural 3rd and a #9, if memory serves. The same sort of thing happens in War Pigs. Ozzy sings a natural 3rd over the verses, then the riff going into the chorus uses a particular Em voicing that ends up creating the effect of a #9, in part because the #9 is occurring in a higher register than the natural 3rd appeared. It's tricky to talk about major-minor dichotomy in blues derived music. I think you have to examine the 6th and 7th scale degrees, and all of the chords, to actually make a meaningful decision about it. beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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beer gas canister posted:The A# in the chorus (Bb doesn't belong in F# - each letter name should appear only once per scale, unless you're playing a 8+ note scale or some other unusual thing) is enough to imply a #9. This part doesn't make sense to me, but I've just barely started to try learning theory. The intro is in F# minor pentatonic (or F# minor blues) and features plenty of the note A, where it functions as the minor third, not the #9. When he gets to the chorus and introduces the F# major chord, he's never playing the A and the Bb at the same time like you would in the "Purple Haze voicing." The two notes are so far apart from one another temporally that it's hard for me to understand grouping them together. What am I missing? Edit: Also, aren't repeated note names unavoidable if you're playing in most scales which use three consecutive chromatic notes like the blues scale? The C minor blues scale features an F, an F# and a G. How would you write these notes? Lester Shy fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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Ok Comboomer posted:lol. when I was 16, my dad got me my first "real" guitar for Christmas. We spent the afternoon at Guitar Center and I wound up picking out a gorgeous Breedlove that was like 40% off at $650, I believe. It had to be an end of year or new year sale. Awesome finishing, came with an excellent semi-rigid case, way too loud and bright in hindsight. Breedloves are wonderful and I recommend them to everybody. Haha that's funny. I got a squier standard HSS for my first real guitar for Christmas back in 97/98? I've still got it but I've tinkered with it way back when. At the time, I was playing highschool garage rock and punk type stuff so I didn't appreciate the single coils. The body was already routed HSH so I put a gibson 490r in the neck with plans to put another 490t in the bridge but never got around to it. Added a fender custom shop pearloid pickguard. The frets need replacing as they're noticeably worn down and notchy, there are some big chips in the paint, the single coil is rusting, all the pots and switch need replacing. It's not even worth selling because the sentimental value is more than I would ever get for it. Who knows, maybe put some filter tron rip offs in it. I'm debating turning it into a project just to have something to do knowing the cost would never be recouped. Maybe refinish the body from the British racing green to something else, maybe a light blue/surf green, or even a stained natural with a good clear coat on it. Do a completely new pickguard with all new single coils (nothing crazy, maybe just some cheap amazon pickups) a new switch and pots. Might try to find a new neck on craigslist or Amazon. I've thought about trying to refret it myself but I'm no luthier and that might be in over my head. I don't want to sink too much into it otherwise I could just put that cash into a new guitar. I'm going to play the tele for a while to see how I like it. It sounds a little different from what I expected, the fender wide range humbuckers are softer and warmer than I thought they would be. I'm planning on getting a hot rod deville/deluxe so then it should really shine. The other guitar I debated was a gretsch streamliner but they're cheap and easy enough to find that I can always pick one up if I ever decide against the telecaster. Verman fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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anyone ever have a problem with a vox amplug feeding back? ive been using it with zero problems for almost 2 years and i sat down with it today and the volume output is almost nothing. turning up the volume knobs gives a screeching feedback. switched in some fresh batteries and tried 3 different guitars but the same problem. do they just sort of crap out after a while? ive been connecting it to a portable speaker with an aux cable to record stuff sometines because i dont have a proper amp right now. its worked fine in the past but is that something that would potentially damage it? ASenileAnimal fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Dec 20, 2020 |
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Verman posted:Haha that's funny. Maybe you ought to buy an Affinity and strip it for the parts you need then sell/give away the rest. 🤔
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I swear this is the last time I post about trying to buy a new guitar. I have a functional but rough shape S-type currently. I want a guitar with humbuckers for heavier sounds, but also want a Telecaster because Telecaster. I have a hard ceiling of $400 but would prefer to spend less of possible. Here's what I've narrowed to: Squier Affinity Telecaster  Price: $229 Pros:
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Guitar Fetish Xaviere Pro500 https://www.guitarfetish.com/NEW-PRO500-Carved-Top-Flamed-Maple-Coil-Tap-Kwikplug-Blueburst_p_36751.html  Price: $290 with shipping Pros:
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Squier Paranormal Toronado  Price: $349 Pros:
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G&L ASAT Tribute Bluesboy  Price: $399 Pros:
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Ibanez S521  Price: $399 Pros:
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Help me make a definitive choice since I'll have Christmas cash incinerating my pocket at the end of the week, and I need to decide on one of these or I might do something rash like buy an Affinity Contemporary Bass instead.
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Have you considered the squier contemporary active jazz master? (Or surfcaster but imo it's kinda ugly in comparison) The active pickups are pretty dang angry sounding and the neck pickup is pretty smooth. I have some recordings of it if you don't believe me.
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I hate the colors the Jazzmaster is available in, which is why I went for the Toronado instead. I figure it's cheaper/easier to replace pups at some point than get a guitar repainted but I'm realizing I don't know that for sure. Edit: oh you said contemporary. Its stretching my budget and I still don't love the black on black. I wish I could just buy a Jazzmaster guitar in the Midnight Satin bass color. 
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To each their own, I loved the idea of a seafoam green jazzmaster for black metal/thrash
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Have you considered the LTD eclipse series? They're basically pointy les pauls (no not like an sg, different kind of pointy less paul). The EC-400 and EC-401 come with EMGs or SeymourDuncans in them. You used to be able to get them for pretty cheap but they seem to have become more expensive. Check reverb/ebay/etc for them and don't pay more than $450 for one with a case thrown in
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Verman posted:
I have this guitar and it's my favorite that I own, even over other more expensive guitars.
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Adding in tax and shipping, this is about $420 https://reverb.com/item/37099724-esp-ltd-ec-400-vf
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Squier makes a Contemporary Tele that's HH which technically ticks both of your boxes at the same time. Of course, an HH Tele is only really a Tele aesthetically.
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mango sentinel posted:I swear this is the last time I post about trying to buy a new guitar. I have a functional but rough shape S-type currently. I want a guitar with humbuckers for heavier sounds, but also want a Telecaster because Telecaster. I have a hard ceiling of $400 but would prefer to spend less of possible. Any reason you're not shopping in store? Even with covid most of the places around me have been open in some way, either fully open or by appointment. I like to buy my guitars in person if possible because Lord knows there can be variances between two of the same model. But also may I suggest a classic vibe telecaster? https://reverb.com/item/37731156-sq...4CU8ypJj5HSJtQA Verman fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 21, 2020 |
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mango sentinel posted:I hate the colors the Jazzmaster is available in, which is why I went for the Toronado instead. I figure it's cheaper/easier to replace pups at some point than get a guitar repainted but I'm realizing I don't know that for sure. god drat that’s slick
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Of those options, I would go with the Bluesboy because that color is great, SH teles are extremely versatile and G&Ls sound amazing. But if you're looking for a humbucker guitar for heavier sounds, be aware that a neck humbucker sounds very different from a bridge humbucker, and will probably lack the "bite" you're looking for in metal or whatever.
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Verman posted:Any reason you're not shopping in store? Even with covid most of the places around me have been open in some way, either fully open or by appointment. I like to buy my guitars in person if possible because Lord knows there can be variances between two of the same model. BDA posted:Of course, an HH Tele is only really a Tele aesthetically. The Bluesboy still has a ton of tele audio character even in the middle position with the humbucker. HH though is just, why. The Xaviere LP and Mist Blue Bluesboy are online only. The others I would order through a local shop if I were to buy them.
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mango sentinel posted:I swear this is the last time I post about trying to buy a new guitar. I have a functional but rough shape S-type currently. I want a guitar with humbuckers for heavier sounds, but also want a Telecaster because Telecaster. I have a hard ceiling of $400 but would prefer to spend less of possible. throw in a set of gfs lil punchers and a push-pull pot for coil split you'll be pretty much set and still come in around $300
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https://reverb.com/item/37154426-squier-jim-root-tele-flat-white Jim Root Tele $400 local pickup only in Kentucky tho.  Edit: another, with shipping https://reverb.com/item/37867370-squier-jim-root-tele-flat-white Squier Vintage Modified 72 Thinline natural finish $400 https://reverb.com/item/34529752-squier-vintage-modified-72-tele-thinline-semi-hollow-electric-guitar-natural-finish Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Dec 22, 2020 |
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I feel like trying to get something that can do the job of a tele and a les Paul at the same time seems like a bit of a fools errand... but the best middle ground might be a les Paul with p90’s, or possibly a p90 sg? Something with a brighter tone but a little fatter sounding than a tele. Or the hot rails/coil split thing but I dunno coil splits are never appealing to me for reasons I can’t articulate.The blues boy seems awesome but not really for what you want. Have I made this exact same post before? I feel deja vu
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Based on the way you describe your needs and the way you break down the pros & cons, it seems to me like the Squier Affinity Telecaster is the best option. You listed it first, it's the cheapest and your budget is tight, and you specifically mentioned wanting a Telecaster. It sounds like you'll eventually get another guitar, and that'll be a good opportunity to get something with a Gibson scale length and humbuckers.
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After playing steel strings for so long, the nylon strings felt so slippery, and the string spacing had me undershooting to pick the fret. Classical feels so loosey goosey compared to stiff steel strings.
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Wowporn posted:I feel like trying to get something that can do the job of a tele and a les Paul at the same time seems like a bit of a fools errand... but the best middle ground might be a les Paul with p90’s, or possibly a p90 sg? Something with a brighter tone but a little fatter sounding than a tele. Or the hot rails/coil split thing but I dunno coil splits are never appealing to me for reasons I can’t articulate.The blues boy seems awesome but not really for what you want. Have I made this exact same post before? I feel deja vu As somebody who would vaguely like to one day do an Affinity buildup, TV Jones makes a set of drop in telecaster pickups that are voiced with what they describe as a “P90 sound” or something to that effect. They’re called Starwood https://youtu.be/PYJ2LHBpvi8
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My erection says either the Ibanez or the orange tele. I definitely agree that getting something that is both hum in bridge and tele sound is a pipe dream. Get two guitars if you want both. I definitely recommend trying both in a store and listening to what sounds best right now. Also consider something used.
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How do people feel about Fender TexMex pickups? Like say you were going to put them in that orange telecaster as a $50 drop-in upgrade. Worth it? Worth going better? The aforementioned TV Jones? Tone specific collections by more boutique makers? It’s not like the pickups that already ship on the guitar are bad pickups either. This is assuming that the goal is to make it a better/more versatile/best reasonable Telecaster* with a tele sound, not making it a ‘non-tele’ tele by dropping in hot rails or routing out holes for filtertrons or whatever. Now I’m curious to hear what people’s “upgraded tele” and “modded non-tele tele” builds are.
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Preggo My Eggo! posted:Based on the way you describe your needs and the way you break down the pros & cons, it seems to me like the Squier Affinity Telecaster is the best option. You listed it first, it's the cheapest and your budget is tight, and you specifically mentioned wanting a Telecaster. This is exactly what I did. Got the Affinity Tele as my first learning guitar and I have no regrets. Just ordered an Epiphone LP. It’s an extravagant gift to myself, with no justification other than 2020 has been terrible, and I’ve wanted a Les Paul since I was about 14.
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A Small Beetle posted:This is exactly what I did. Got the Affinity Tele as my first learning guitar and I have no regrets. Did you get one of the TV Yellow LP Specials?
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Thanks for the input y'all. I think the move is to just get the Affinity Tele now and then save up for that Viper, Meteora, or top end Epiphone I really want for an HH guitar.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Did you get one of the TV Yellow LP Specials? 60s Standard in Iced Tea finish. Us left handers don't have quite the same selection to pick from, but I'm happy with my choice
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I haven't listened to any demo videos of it, but Seymour Duncan makes a humbucker that fits in a standard tele's bridge position. Keeping the brass plate under it and doing the whole longer pickup at a 45° angle might preserve some of that Telecaster voicing while still letting you do the humbucker thing. Probably too much compromise from both ends, but it couldn't hurt to find someone playing one on YouTube to confirm it. My Telecaster had a humbucker intalled in the bridge by the previous owner which I'm not super into, so I have no frame of reference for what playing a normal Tele bridge is like. I'm contemplating converting it back, but the process of choosing replacement pickups is nauseating. There are too many options — so good luck to anyone going down that rabbit hole.
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Lester Shy posted:This part doesn't make sense to me, but I've just barely started to try learning theory. The intro is in F# minor pentatonic (or F# minor blues) and features plenty of the note A, where it functions as the minor third, not the #9. When he gets to the chorus and introduces the F# major chord, he's never playing the A and the Bb at the same time like you would in the "Purple Haze voicing." The two notes are so far apart from one another temporally that it's hard for me to understand grouping them together. What am I missing? It's really a question of the more "global" key signature of the piece, if it can be said to have a key signature in the European fashion. There are some A#s hinted at in melodic bends, and some A#s later on the tune. Harmony has to be considered with the context of the melody and the rest of the piece. The blues scale - there is an exception regarding note names there, because the traditional European scales do not contain multiple chromatic notes in a row. The blues scale we tend to learn is a synthetic recreation of blues folkways, codified well after the fact by academics, so I wouldn't use it for almost any theory analysis that needs to mesh with traditional harmony. In fact there's a ton of blues that uses the regular major or minor scales, harmony included, so I wouldn't dedicate too much time to pondering the blues scale (coming from someone that almost exclusively played blues scales for years as a teenager). Worth noting that a lot of early blues musicians WERE trained to some degree, especially piano players, and often had some knowledge of the basics of harmony, at least enough to understand a few things about hymns. Many blues pianists would've learned Mozart, Bach, Chopin, etc from their teachers, who were likely church musicians or school teachers. Re: pickup chat I'll again pimp Bootstrap pickups for some high quality, hand made, low cost pickups. My SSH set sounds ridiculously good. Their Tele pups are well loved too, though I don't have firsthand experience with them. beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Dec 22, 2020 |
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mango sentinel posted:I swear this is the last time I post about trying to buy a new guitar. I have a functional but rough shape S-type currently. I want a guitar with humbuckers for heavier sounds, but also want a Telecaster because Telecaster. I have a hard ceiling of $400 but would prefer to spend less of possible. These are great for the money. It's what I would go with.
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That paranormal Toronado is the mom jeans of guitars
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