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Pentecoastal Elites posted:if you think that's good: "we don't monitor likes, but here's how we monitor likes" 
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I guess I can see some value in someone keeping an eye out on social media use. Like, in case someone's leaking internal documents or posting personal information about other members or something. But for wrongthink? No thanks.
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the important question is what were they even talking about where someone blew up and said 'i dont wanna hear that from a cis person', but in sure the answer is all these people are very online and annoying, and dont understand at all what Mao was talking about when it came to party discipline
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Dec 22, 2020 23:01
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Larry Parrish posted:the important question is what were they even talking about where someone blew up and said 'i dont wanna hear that from a cis person', but in sure the answer is all these people are very online and annoying, and dont understand at all what Mao was talking about when it came to party discipline My understanding from cruising twitter is that the topic was about transphobia within the organization and La Riva's position was there wasn't any.
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Dec 22, 2020 23:03
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achillesforever6 posted:Well this is more troubling Is this not an obvious logical extension of democratic centralism? Can't publicly deviate from the party line. Can't publicly criticize the party. I don't subscribe to that viewpoint myself, but nobody should be shocked at the PSL monitoring its members social media activity
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Dec 22, 2020 23:39
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And people called the ISO cultish. Christ
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christmas boots posted:My understanding from cruising twitter is that the topic was about transphobia within the organization and La Riva's position was there wasn't any. lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Here we go. I don't know anything about this person so I don't know if their version is accurate or if they themselves are without internet drama sin but there are at least a couple of other people on twitter who said they were on the call and it did happen. https://twitter.com/punk_bolshevik/status/1341093875172200450?s=20 https://twitter.com/punk_bolshevik/status/1341094229758636035?s=20 Looking at their timeline it sounds like one of the main complaints is that the people attempting to use the party's processes to handle these things internally are purged out it. Is that true? No loving idea, but that's the claim.
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Dec 23, 2020 00:08
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I'm reading about the Jakarta Method right now, and it feels like being on social media at all for leftists is a dumb idea. Social media is basically just surveillance technology that's been privatized and redirected towards advertising. A lot of the work by anti-communist forces historically has been creating and maintaining lists of suspected communists, and now communists openly declare themselves on platforms owned by US contractors.
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Dec 23, 2020 00:18
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When I was in DSA, I tossed the idea that chapter leadership should have to stop using public personal Twitter accounts while they were acting as leaders. Half baked but it got people really mad very fast because what is the point of chapter leadership if not for clout?
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Dec 23, 2020 00:21
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we absolutely shouldn't be on social media, definetly not with real names, but how are you going to prove how cool you are irl???
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Dec 23, 2020 00:26
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social media, and by extension twitter specifically, is responsible for the radicalization of a lot of people over the last 10 years. you weirdos who just constantly keep your internet radio tuned to the leftist drama and infighting station have poisoned your own brains so severely that it seems to be the only thing you can see anymore.
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Dec 23, 2020 00:45
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the ability of Posters to conflate Normal People Doing Normal Things with "clout chasing" rivals the right's ability to project their deepest desires onto their enemies' actions. perhaps try logging off for once in your life?
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Dec 23, 2020 00:47
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Atrocious Joe posted:I'm reading about the Jakarta Method right now, and it feels like being on social media at all for leftists is a dumb idea. Social media is basically just surveillance technology that's been privatized and redirected towards advertising. A lot of the work by anti-communist forces historically has been creating and maintaining lists of suspected communists, and now communists openly declare themselves on platforms owned by US contractors. For all the valid problems about Amber Frost she had a really good article about this https://catalyst-journal.com/vol4/no2/the-poisoned-chalice-of-hashtag-activism I think people in leftist organization really need to have a deep discussion about how useful social media actually is. In it's present form it is the most extreme form of social alienation possible, and Internet Leftist types probably cause much more harm than any help.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:social media, and by extension twitter specifically, is responsible for the radicalization of a lot of people over the last 10 years. i don't have a horse in this race but "social media is important for radicalizing us" and "you need to log out of social media cause you're too online" coming from the same post is a big lol
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:social media, and by extension twitter specifically, is responsible for the radicalization of a lot of people over the last 10 years. you weirdos who just constantly keep your internet radio tuned to the leftist drama and infighting station have poisoned your own brains so severely that it seems to be the only thing you can see anymore. as a zoomer ive never had a single positive interaction like that online. im a communist because of my life experience not because some dipshit tweeted out 'omg landlords suck'
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Dec 23, 2020 00:58
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drat didn't realize there were other Zoomers here.
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Johnny Truant posted:i don't have a horse in this race but "social media is important for radicalizing us" and "you need to log out of social media cause you're too online" coming from the same post is a big lol it's almost as if it is a nuanced issue and that reducing it to a simple binary for the sake of a Spicy Web Take is part of the initial problem!!
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Larry Parrish posted:as a zoomer ive never had a single positive interaction like that online. sorry for your loss. perhaps you should consider the constant in this equasion
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:the ability of Posters to conflate Normal People Doing Normal Things with "clout chasing" rivals the right's ability to project their deepest desires onto their enemies' actions. perhaps try logging off for once in your life? This may be way off misremembering but are you dharrisburg
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Or another phiz poster
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Chomskyan posted:Is this not an obvious logical extension of democratic centralism? Can't publicly deviate from the party line. Can't publicly criticize the party. It's a bastardization of democratic centralism that is more akin to wartime communist policy rather than anything Lenin would have supported in a non-revolutionary period.
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democratic centralism really does not have to be more than basic discipline, I.e. don't leak internal discussions, accept that you occasionally lose internal battles, stay outwardly united even if you don't like someone in the organisation in the circumstance of an illegal organisation it obviously requires more active and rigid discipline, but the basic principles of democratic centralism are very important to consider for any functioning political party
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Dec 23, 2020 01:48
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How do people even get to the point of joining an org like PSL? Even that twitter post from the lady about how she monitors people’s tweets is creepy as hell, and a huge part of that is how she seems to think she’s saying something perfectly reasonable. There’s no way I’d even consider being alone in a room with someone like that, let alone feel like an org full of those people are comrades worth trusting.
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Larry Parrish posted:as a zoomer ive never had a single positive interaction like that online. im a communist because of my life experience not because some dipshit tweeted out 'omg landlords suck' how did you find this website, infant? a museum of some kind???
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elephants on acid posted:It's a bastardization of democratic centralism that is more akin to wartime communist policy rather than anything Lenin would have supported in a non-revolutionary period.
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haha I gave Gloria my vote and she's actually managed to make me regret that. Good job rear end in a top hat i'm literally wishing i could unfill a meaningless bubble and un-mail that ballot and un-fix the ballot challenge
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christmas boots posted:how did you find this website, infant? a museum of some kind??? playing video games op
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christmas boots posted:how did you find this website, infant? a museum of some kind??? For me it was the let's play subforum.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:How do people even get to the point of joining an org like PSL? Even that twitter post from the lady about how she monitors people’s tweets is creepy as hell, and a huge part of that is how she seems to think she’s saying something perfectly reasonable. There’s no way I’d even consider being alone in a room with someone like that, let alone feel like an org full of those people are comrades worth trusting. I know my local branch to be principled communists and all around excellent people. The resignations I've seen on Twitter mostly say the same thing. The issue seems to be with national holding different standards for themselves, failing to keep up with the times and employing unnecessarily authoritarian measures to cover for those things. Reminds me of how Soviet Union leadership aged out of relevancy. elephants on acid has issued a correction as of 03:13 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Don't they kind of require education/training for membership, too? Like I know you can't just join like the DSA? I talked to them at Seattle Trans Pride 2019 and they kinda sucked. I wasn't about to get involved to the degree they seemed to want, and anyone that commits enough to do that poo poo will more or less feel invested enough to endure bullshit unthinkable to someone that's not on the inside.
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ToxicAcne posted:For all the valid problems about Amber Frost she had a really good article about this Frost is good when she's done the research and isn't using edgy statements to keep the reader's attention. I like the ending to this especially. quote:Any information or activity more complicated and less disposable than a hashtag will eventually require stable institutions that can grow, build, and recruit in real space and real time. These institutions do not resemble the tyrannically structureless and voluntarist cattle calls of whatever fleeting online mob has made the rounds this week. Any use of the internet for movement-building should be considered with the ultimate goal of social media’s obsolescence, and its supplantation by unions, parties, and political organizations.
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https://twitter.com/Svevan/status/1341486777303896064?s=20 Agree with this article that the org needs restructured completely
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Mr. Lobe posted:the defender of social media has logged in to hell with all of these things, post more pictures of your dinner and of your cats
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The identification of Twitter itself as the engine of radicalization and not the actual material circumstances that would have led people to seek out explanations for those circumstances is really boneheaded You could argue that in a hypothetical world where Twitter never came to be and the blogosphere had persisted instead as the primary form of online engagement would be a better place to be insofar as Twitter as a medium actively strips the context and nuance out of any given statement where long form argument allows for a greater degree of efficacy in communication It's why Twitter is basically the perfect place to self-caricaturize any argument or thought you might have and why it's so easy to merely post a tweet with no commentary and the statement appears self-evidently stupid
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Ease of access to easily digested information is asbolutely in play as one of the major factors for the rebirth and rise of the left in the United States and to discount it is mistaken; however the powers that be have already identified this and have been trying to choke it out for the better part of a decade, so the time in which the internet will be a useful vector for the transmission of this information is passing and nearly passed already; we need other solutions for sure.
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I love restructuring. Surely THIS time when we empower/de-emphasize/centralize/abolish the working groups and committees we'll get automated luxury gay space communism. Let's form a restructuring working group, study our options for 6 months, make the change, and then have the new leadership a year from now start their own restructuring efforts.
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Only if it comes with a new priorities document that had been struggle-sessioned for 1,000 hours to go with it.
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