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It's just amazing that macron of all people just showed them up so badly with their own exaggeration, entirely designed to excuse their shambles of a covid handling.
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StarkingBarfish posted:It's just amazing that macron of all people just showed them up so badly with their own exaggeration, entirely designed to excuse their shambles of a covid handling. yeah but Macron is just a meanie looking to his own election and how mean and terrible of the Frenchies wanting to control their own borders. Only Grate Britane is allowed to do that. How it never seems to occur to brexiteers and govts who have had expensive educations that what is sauce for the goose etc, I do not know!
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Dec 23, 2020 23:17
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StarkingBarfish posted:It's just amazing that macron of all people just showed them up so badly with their own exaggeration, entirely designed to excuse their shambles of a covid handling. macron married his abuser and as a result they all show deference because they're astounded
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Dec 23, 2020 23:26
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Lungboy posted:Apologies if it's been pointed out already, but Blair is chatting poo poo and the press aren't pointing out the glaring error. The Pfizer vaccine isn't 90% effective after the first dose and 95% after the second, it's 90% after the second and 95% a week later. It's actually only 52% effective after the first dose: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4826#:~:text=The%20study%2C%20published%20in%20the,cases%20in%20the%20placebo%20group. This isn't good reasoning and that's not what the BMJ article says. The study didn't compare 1 vs 2 doses. If you look at the incidence of Covid infections it's pretty much flat from 14 days after the first dose. Check the graph below. You can't say it's equally effective but it's not a "spectacularly poo poo idea". It's reasonably likely to turn out that one dose is enough. 
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Dec 23, 2020 23:29
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I suppose I should feel somewhat relieved that there apparently might be some sort of deal, but all I can muster is a deep feeling of contempt for these fuckers who can't see further than the end of their nose. Like, if they're gonna capitulate after all this time does that mean they never understood what No Deal would entail? Did they believe their own PR? I figured they knew and just believed that the Nothing Matters Field would protect them from the consequences.
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Dec 23, 2020 23:37
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I suspect they believed their own lies. Or probably more likely anyone who didnt either wanted to profit from the chaos or got purged in the last few years.
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Dec 23, 2020 23:41
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It’s mind blowing isn’t it. Two days of seeing what was obviously going to happen, what they’ve been told would happen for years, and they suddenly realise we can’t have that. Macron has saved us from ourselves if anything, without this they would happily have buccaneered into no deal confident everything would be just fine.
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Dec 23, 2020 23:41
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They see everything in terms of short term PR, brexit and covid response both
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knox_harrington posted:This isn't good reasoning and that's not what the BMJ article says. The study didn't compare 1 vs 2 doses. I'm just going by the original article that the BMJ is discussing which says: "Figure 3 shows cases of Covid-19 or severe Covid-19 with onset at any time after the first dose (mITT population) (additional data on severe Covid-19 are available in Table S5). Between the first dose and the second dose, 39 cases in the BNT162b2 group and 82 cases in the placebo group were observed, resulting in a vaccine efficacy of 52% (95% CI, 29.5 to 68.4) during this interval and indicating early protection by the vaccine, starting as soon as 12 days after the first dose". I see what you're saying about it flattening off around day 9 or whenever but that's not what Blair said, so I'd put a huge amount of money on him never having read this chart and not knowing anything about it. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Dec 23, 2020 |
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Dec 23, 2020 23:51
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Lungboy posted:I'm just going by the original article that the BMJ is discussing which says: The 52% efficacy at the time of the second dose is because not enough time has elapsed since the patients who received the vaccine developed immunity. They don't show any longer term data on patients who got a single dose only. The COVID cases in the control group continue in a straight line, and the active vaccine group plateaus. What is clear is that there were only a couple of cases between days 14-28 in vaccinated participants. There is no apparent change in incidence after the second dose. I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect a single dose is sufficient, particularly given the limited supply.
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Dec 24, 2020 00:00
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A weird random question, but I'm writing a review of an Animal Farm game that's basically a choose your own adventure with light farm management aspects. I've always thought the tragedy of the book is that the animals' revolutionary ideals were correct but the tragedy is how they were perverted. The point of the game is that you can try other plots like ditching Napoleon early on and try other methods of animalism/socialism. Problem is there is no happy ending in the game - every outcome of socialism in it is bad. I want to say in my review that this feels really cynical and something a committed socialist like Orwell wouldn't have agreed with. Does that make sense?
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Dec 24, 2020 00:04
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knox_harrington posted:The 52% efficacy at the time of the second dose is because not enough time has elapsed since the patients who received the vaccine developed immunity. They don't show any longer term data on patients who got a single dose only. The COVID cases in the control group continue in a straight line, and the active vaccine group plateaus. I don't think it's unreasonable to call Blair an idiot who should shut up because he doesn't have nearly enough information to make a claim like that.
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knox_harrington posted:The 52% efficacy at the time of the second dose is because not enough time has elapsed since the patients who received the vaccine developed immunity. They don't show any longer term data on patients who got a single dose only. The COVID cases in the control group continue in a straight line, and the active vaccine group plateaus. e: ^^ yes, that
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Dec 24, 2020 00:07
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Guavanaut posted:But as the study hasn't looked at single doses, and as most virologists seem to think that it looks like two dose is the best for the high risk subgroups who will be prioritized, Blair is still a world class twat for saying "well why don't we do it my way that hasn't been studied instead of what the virologists are saying" and also in general and in every other specific and should be shot by firing squad. That is true, but is a completely different point from the one lungboy made.
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peanut- posted:It’s mind blowing isn’t it. Two days of seeing what was obviously going to happen, what they’ve been told would happen for years, and they suddenly realise we can’t have that. On the flip side, maybe Macron acted too soon. Had he held out until Britain crashed out with No Deal Brexit and the unbelievable carnage unfolded, maybe after a week of it BoJo would have said "well we tried Brexit. It's too hard. Time to partition to rejoin the EU." Sure it's unlikely. But given what the last four years have been like can anybody say that anything is politically impossible these days.
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Necrothatcher posted:A weird random question, but I'm writing a review of an Animal Farm game that's basically a choose your own adventure with light farm management aspects. I've always thought the tragedy of the book is that the animals' revolutionary ideals were correct but the tragedy is how they were perverted. The point of the game is that you can try other plots like ditching Napoleon early on and try other methods of animalism/socialism. Given the history of the Animal Farm animated film, you may want to look into where the funding for the game development / publishing came from.
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Dec 24, 2020 00:21
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Lobster God posted:So, I have a limited budget and I've pretty much exhausted the single player variants of my board game collection. Never gamed a huge amount, but having seen hbomberguy's latest I'm tempted to try New Vegas. Would it be staggeringly stupid to buy a used PS3 and a copy of the game? Get an Xbox 360 not a PS3. It's cheaper, better optimised for PC ports and has an insanely good library.
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Desiderata posted:Given the history of the Animal Farm animated film, you may want to look into where the funding for the game development / publishing came from. It's a tiny indie game, I think the CIA probably have better things to do rn
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Dec 24, 2020 00:24
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The Question IRL posted:On the flip side, maybe Macron acted too soon. Not a chance. He would have gone: Bojo posted:"well we tried Brexit. It's too hard. Time to
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knox_harrington posted:That is true, but is a completely different point from the one lungboy made. Not really, my point was that Blair was suggesting a complete change in public health policy based on a number for which there is no data. You can say that the graph suggests it's true, and it does, but it's only a suggestion without a control group that only got the single dose so he shouldn't be claiming a single dose is 90% effective. Remember that the people being given these doses are the most at risk of being killed by this virus, so you have to play it ultra safe and "suspecting" a single dose would be fine isn't good enough.
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Necrothatcher posted:A weird random question, but I'm writing a review of an Animal Farm game that's basically a choose your own adventure with light farm management aspects. I've always thought the tragedy of the book is that the animals' revolutionary ideals were correct but the tragedy is how they were perverted. The point of the game is that you can try other plots like ditching Napoleon early on and try other methods of animalism/socialism.
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Guavanaut posted:Is there an option where you can carry on with being run by the farmers and that's also terrible/even worse? Orwell would probably be down with "every option bad but some worse" more than "every socialist option has some ills". So far the endings I've gotten are: - crops fail, animals go feral and eat each other - surrender and let humans take over, who slaughter all revolutionary animals - all animals die in battle, farm abandoned - authoritarian tyranny under Napoleon (basically the book ending) There are other endings, but from what I've seen online none are particularly happy.
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Lungboy posted:Not really, my point was that Blair was suggesting a complete change in public health policy based on a number for which there is no data. You can say that the graph suggests it's true, and it does, but it's only a suggestion without a control group that only got the single dose so he shouldn't be claiming a single dose is 90% effective. Remember that the people being given these doses are the most at risk of being killed by this virus, so you have to play it ultra safe and "suspecting" a single dose would be fine isn't good enough. That's not at all what you said. I agree that Tone shouldn't have stuck his oar in, again. The key issue is that someone reading your post will think if they only get one dose of the vaccine, they only have a 50/50 chance of immunity from COVID. It's not borne out by the data. The 90% figure is from the 7 days after the second shot when additional immunity wont have fully developed from the shot. A single shot just isn't "a spectacularly poo poo idea", even though his pronouncement may have been. e: plus of course the vaccine isn't licensed for a single dose so it's academic anyway knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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Jose posted:can you actually play disco elysium as a fascist? No. After feeling a bit railroaded even playing a lib/left self-insert character I made new saves to try a neolib, a fascist and a leftier-than-the-developers bolshevik and very quickly you realise the game profoundly does not function if you aren't playing it as a really specifically late-2010s Online Lefty type character. If you are playing that it rules but if not it's only technically completable and you'll be spending a lot of time clicking on "huh I guess I am a dumb bitch" dialogue options.
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Vitamin P posted:If you are playing that it rules but if not it's only technically completable and you'll be spending a lot of time clicking on "huh I guess I am a dumb bitch" dialogue options. Perhaps that is an example for how Fascism is in fact a dumb bitch ideology.
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Dec 24, 2020 00:50
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Necrothatcher posted:So far the endings I've gotten are: Well the moral could just be 'socialism will fail or get corrupted unless the revolution is worldwide and also writing critiques of political economy is hard' which is fair enough. Very much depends on the tone of it all. Unrelated but I was listening to a radio item about collaborative board games and now I want one about unionising a workplace and another one about winning a revolution.
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Re: Fallout New Vegas, it runs with no issues on my laptop which is a few years old now; i5-8250U, 8GB, built-in Intel UHD 620 graphics. You will definitely want to 'mod' it to fix bugs & improve performance: https://vivanewvegas.github.io/ is the recommended process from the FNV thread in Games (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3376713) - I don't know poo poo about poo poo and following that guide (once steam had installed FNV) took about an hour to get through the entire guide and install everything - it talks about having your Steam folder outside of "program files" (because of UAC) but my Steam was already set up for that folder so I chanced it and no problems so far.
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Josef bugman posted:Perhaps that is an example for how Fascism is in fact a dumb bitch ideology. Brave. I tried neolib and tanky too, and that was after organically playing lib/left, the game presents really interesting high-falutin' sociopolitical skill trees and game mechanics but the answer to 'can you play a fash?' is obviously no. You can't actually play any meaningful ideology btw, it's wierdly specific but also completely aesthetic, it's 'listens to chapo and has a crush on the light-skinned black girl at the food bank; the game' it's masturbatory.
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Any update on your Salvation Army deliveries or are you stuck with 72 boxes of mince pies?
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knox_harrington posted:That's not at all what you said. I agree that Tone shouldn't have stuck his oar in, again. Fair enough, I was going on the BMJ headline in my OP which was 52% after one dose, the graph does suggest that it's likely to be a ton better than that. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if someone saw my post and thought after one dose they'd only be 50/50 on immunity if that made them sure to get the second dose, and I still think Blair was loving up his numbers, but it's not a hill i'm willing to die on as I'm not in Iraq.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Any update on your Salvation Army deliveries or are you stuck with 72 boxes of mince pies? 'Boxes of mince pies' was shorthand for the care boxes, I currently have 9 of them sitting in the flat. From the weight some clearly have booze in and some don't, have heard nothing from the Salvation Army after the robot text so if I haven't heard any instruction not to my Xmas will be opening every single one of those boxes and enjoying the treats/getting wrecked/luxuriating in how lovely everything is.
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Magner posted:I suppose I should feel somewhat relieved that there apparently might be some sort of deal, but all I can muster is a deep feeling of contempt for these fuckers who can't see further than the end of their nose.
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https://boardgamegeek.com/video/117274/cuba-libre/no-rules-review-cuba-libre Cuba Libre is sort of co-op, in that the guerrillas and the students need to effectively collaborate to defeat the government and the mafia, who are natural (but not hard-coded) allies. Still, there is only one winner, which i guess is a reasonable model of how revolutions usually go.
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Vitamin P posted:Brave. The game is good op and this post makes me think you have suspect politics
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Jose posted:The game is good op and this post makes me think you have suspect politics McCarthyism but the sin is correctly understanding video game mechanics, very 2021.
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Dec 24, 2020 02:07
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Oh hey, Hbomb has another video premiering right now about War Christmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZo4x0NbbI
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Oh dear me posted:I really recommend the Zoe Covid app because you can read the full report they send to government, and it shows some interesting things. For example the age breakdown shows a much bigger rise in people in their 40s than in previous surges. I think mortality doesn't really start to tick up until the 50s, but I guess any spread upwards in age range is alarming. A couple of pages ago and I have nothing to add but this is a great post that I really appreciated
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Nosferblairtu https://twitter.com/earthygirl011/status/1341668158562836483?s=20
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Vitamin P posted:Brave. [[Spoiler warning]] That’s projection. You can play a number of ideologies and the game then presents realistic pitfalls to each. If those pitfalls are insurmountable to you then too bad. Get a better ideology or at least a better mental fortitude. The games response to racial theory, for example, is the Semenese supremist. A minority that has internalised the ideology of his oppressors in order to become one. This is a real thing that happens. The game doesn’t judge this character. He IS strong and your only methods of dealing with him is to beat him at his own game, superiority of strength, talk it out and sacrifice your own integrity or work around him altogether. None of these routes result in him changing his own ideology. He never gets his comeuppance in some childish bit of wish-fulfilment. So what do you take from this? If you went in thinking racial theory types were bad, and I hope you do, then you won’t have changed your mind in the end and the character certainly hasn’t changed his. For a ‘masturbatory’ game this is remarkably evenhanded. Like the real world it doesn’t revolve around moments of perfect clarity and reckoning. The bad man will never clutch his head, screaming ‘I was wrong about everything’, before falling from the gantry. His faults are only what you think they are. The game does not judge him. It presents the scenario but does it with enough verisimilitude that we, as leftists, find it darkly humourous. Every other ideology is treated similarly. The moralists (neoliberals) talk big but do little, watching as the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. They offer stability and do provide it but at great cost. You could absolutely agree with them in the game. You could agree that stability trumps all. The game won’t try to make you feel any worse than supporting the other factions. The communists? Most in this thread, me included, obviously gravitate here. But they’re presented again in a brutally honest fashion. In game they are represented as a well meaning but practically extinct force. At least in present day. During the revolution they crushed the workers between the artillery of the neoliberal coalition and their own, ensuring mass death and self destruction. Dogma ever the enemy. In the present of the game the current issue facing this faction is the ever growing weight of failure. The ideology itself is pure and good, but it always fails. Why? That’s up to you. I don’t see how this is masturbatory to ‘chapo leftists’ because the message is very much ‘we’re never getting communism but we endure’. The game indicates no benefits to this ideology other than what you come up with yourself. It does show you the ever mounting pile of bodies. I think the reason the game is like this is because you’re not playing an ideology. You’re playing a person. A deeply flawed person like the rest of us. He shouldn’t ever be reduced just down to what ideology he is or whether it’s the most correct one. One day the entity formally known as Harry lost his mind and identity and something horrifyingly glorious is happening. He is about to awaken and if he becomes a neoliberal during that awakening is really not the point. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Dec 24, 2020 |
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