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I don't think G Gundam could be made in this day and age, at least while using such obvious caricatures and stereotypes but I do wish it could have been made in an era where the internet was more of an audience, because the fanart of various nations or groups that weren't represented would be amazing if nothing else. I know Santa Asia has gotten a lot of fanart over the years, but that's about it and I'd so love to see much more fanart; which I think the inherent silliness of G makes it ripe for.
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tsob posted:I don't think G Gundam could be made in this day and age, at least while using such obvious caricatures and stereotypes but I do wish it could have been made in an era where the internet was more of an audience, because the fanart of various nations or groups that weren't represented would be amazing if nothing else. I know Santa Asia has gotten a lot of fanart over the years, but that's about it and I'd so love to see much more fanart; which I think the inherent silliness of G makes it ripe for. Wonder how a 2020 G Gundam would go over in China with Neo Hong Kong being an independent nation colony. Can't remember if Taiwan was ever mentioned in the series. I think that for the time it was released they did a really sincere job of making a very multicultural feeling show that would be recognized and understood by a Japanese audience. Would love to see a Neo-Australia or Neo-New Zealand Gundams though.
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Dec 26, 2020 21:07
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IIRC Tequila Gundam has some popularity in Mexico. EDIT: I doubt Iraqis would be pleased about Scud Gundam though.
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Dec 26, 2020 21:09
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I mean Grenadier Guard Gundam is kind of cool, but I can see some people bouncing off or having issues with the more problematic ones. Like the generic Zulu Gundam dressed in the stereotypical African Native warrior look.
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Dec 26, 2020 21:12
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean Grenadier Guard Gundam is kind of cool, but I can see some people bouncing off or having issues with the more problematic ones. I also remembered the African Gundam being called the Zulu Gundam but its Kenya's Zebra Gundam and doesn't look nearly as bad as I remembered. (its look is also a reference to a real kenyan ethnic group that still exists)
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Dec 26, 2020 21:19
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it's a shame Scud ranks as one of the worst from a naming/use perspective when it also has one of the coolest designs
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Dec 26, 2020 21:55
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If you replaced the coalition powers with a bunch of GM I's how many would it take to defeat the iraqi army as quickly as in our timeline
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Dec 27, 2020 03:05
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Stairmaster posted:If you replaced the coalition powers with a bunch of GM I's how many would it take to defeat the iraqi army as quickly as in our timeline Depends, do they work like in UC or like they probably would in real life? i.e. just being huge, top heavy (s)hitboxes that'd be slow and inefficient weapons platforms for firing their actual weapons compared to just mounting them on something with a lower platform and more stable base? Will the Iraqis be able to take one down with some IEDs, technicals and gumption and then use it's remains to cobble together a Camouf? Is there a kid on either side who just inexplicably fell in to a weapon's platform as their family and/or friends are threatened, and seems to have an unnatural but immediate grasp of the controls? Also, would the various nations in the coalition modify their GMs to be reflective of national pride in some fashion? Would we have proto G-Gundam style national Gundams in some GMs with an eagle head, stars and stripes color scheme and several big rear end guns, others with a bulldog head, the British flag and sniper rifles etc? tsob fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Dec 27, 2020 |
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Dec 27, 2020 03:28
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Gundam is real life, nerd.
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Dec 27, 2020 03:39
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They'll start with having a base design that's adaptable with interchangeable parts between different variants and end up with various bespoke redesigns with very little to no parts compatibility.
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Dec 27, 2020 03:43
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Stairmaster posted:Gundam is real life, nerd. Yes, yes, we've all seen the opening to ZZ.
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Dec 27, 2020 03:52
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I'm still not sure what to think about the correct pronunciation of "GM" being "Jim". On one hand, it's so dumb. On the other hand, it so dumb.
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Dec 27, 2020 13:10
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Azran posted:I'm still not sure what to think about the correct pronunciation of "GM" being "Jim". On one hand, it's so dumb. On the other hand, it so dumb. I still call it a "Gee Em"
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Dec 27, 2020 13:44
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Azran posted:I'm still not sure what to think about the correct pronunciation of "GM" being "Jim". On one hand, it's so dumb. On the other hand, it so dumb. Boy, you're gonna go nuts when you find out about Humvees!
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Dec 27, 2020 15:01
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Kanos posted:Boy, you're gonna go nuts when you find out about Humvees! It could be worse. You could have a laser mounted to your Humvee but then find you need to go scuba diving only to find your gear lacks sonar. The Gestapo will get on you worse than someone arguing over the pronunciation of gif. You might even get sent to a gulag. You might not even be in the same zip code.
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Dec 27, 2020 16:00
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Azran posted:I'm still not sure what to think about the correct pronunciation of "GM" being "Jim". On one hand, it's so dumb. On the other hand, it so dumb. honestly its the most realistic name in all of gundam
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Dec 27, 2020 19:03
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Stairmaster posted:honestly its the most realistic name in all of gundam Yeah it's exactly the sort of acronym pronunciation that real troops do all the time, it's very true to life.
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Dec 27, 2020 19:07
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I can see guys calling their trucks Jims. I can't see them calling it a Gouf or a Rick Dom (unless they're a porn star)
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Dec 27, 2020 19:47
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What’s the Gundam equivalent of the Cummins rather than power stroke bumper sticker.
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Weird BIAS posted:What’s the Gundam equivalent of the Cummins rather than power stroke bumper sticker. Probably whatever the Anf from 00 was running. I feel like I recall a scene where one gets started up and it belches diesel smoke out of an exhaust
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Dec 27, 2020 22:02
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Weird BIAS posted:What’s the Gundam equivalent of the Cummins rather than power stroke bumper sticker. Twin GN Tau drives.
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Dec 27, 2020 22:24
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The Lohengrin Cannon irradiates everything around it so much they basically refuse to fire it on Earth unless given no choice.
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Dec 27, 2020 22:29
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Arcsquad12 posted:or a Rick Dom (unless they're a porn star) well yeah they'd just call all of them doms
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Dec 27, 2020 23:18
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:Probably whatever the Anf from 00 was running. I feel like I recall a scene where one gets started up and it belches diesel smoke out of an exhaust I can provide no input on this discussion, but I will confirm the Anf literally just has a gasoline engine.
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Dec 28, 2020 01:16
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ImpAtom posted:The Lohengrin Cannon irradiates everything around it so much they basically refuse to fire it on Earth unless given no choice. Is there an explanation of this somewhere? It's a positron cannon, so presumably its firing a beam of anti-electrons? That shouldn't produce a bunch of lingering ionizing radiation should it?
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ImpAtom posted:The Lohengrin Cannon irradiates everything around it so much they basically refuse to fire it on Earth unless given no choice. Pretty sure that isn't true as ANY nuclear reaction is literally impossible on Earth in SEED.
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Dec 28, 2020 04:26
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Don't even think about it. They used animated cause it seemed cool not because it makes sense. 1/2 a gram of annihilated antimatter is about the same energy yield as little boy. Nukes and super weapons would be totally obsolete in the seed world if they could harness antimatter for weapons. And instead it's relegated to a cannon on a ship.
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Warmachine posted:Is there an explanation of this somewhere? It's a positron cannon, so presumably its firing a beam of anti-electrons? That shouldn't produce a bunch of lingering ionizing radiation should it? Whatever the Lohengrin Cannon's specific process is creates a huge burst of gamma radiation as a side effect. Neddy Seagoon posted:Pretty sure that isn't true as ANY nuclear reaction is literally impossible on Earth in SEED. It is literally stated in series. If they couldn't use it thye couldn't use it at Orb to escape the atmosphere. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Dec 28, 2020 |
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Gaius Marius posted:Don't even think about it. They used animated cause it seemed cool not because it makes sense. 1/2 a gram of annihilated antimatter is about the same energy yield as little boy. Nukes and super weapons would be totally obsolete in the seed world if they could harness antimatter for weapons. And instead it's relegated to a cannon on a ship. anti-matter is notoriously expensive to manufacture as far as our current understanding of physics go. Even if it was feasible it'd more likely be used as a means of energy storage than actual weaponry.
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Stairmaster posted:anti-matter is notoriously expensive to manufacture as far as our current understanding of physics go. Even if it was feasible it'd more likely be used as a means of energy storage than actual weaponry. I keep saying it because it keeps being true, but SEED combines the technobabble approach from the UC and PD eras with the lack of actual concern for the underlying technology you get in G and Wing. It has all these fancy sci-fi weapons and terms, but instead of playing them out like with Minovsky particles or Ahab Waves (or even the omni-purpose GN particles), they're just tossed in to handle the needs of the moment. The Neutron Jammer Canceller feels like a prime example. Neutron Jammers are so you can't have nukes, then they just... have something so nukes work again, and the heroes get to have even better stuff. The descriptions of most weapons don't feel like they're written by the kinds of nerds who write sourcebooks because they want sourcebooks, but people who know there are nerds who buy sourcebooks, so try to put something together for them. It's a relatively minor flaw (the pacing and the characterization is much worse) but it still stands out to me.
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GENESIS feels like the only one they really tried to have anything even vaguely feel like real thought put into it beyond coolness or being toyetic, and that's probably only so the people working on the show could indulge in their guro fetish
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chiasaur11 posted:I keep saying it because it keeps being true, but SEED combines the technobabble approach from the UC and PD eras with the lack of actual concern for the underlying technology you get in G and Wing. I'm not sure I'd say even UC or PD do anything meaningful with their equivalents. They're not dismissed the way Neutron-Jammers are on a moment by moment basis, but nobody ever explores the implications of what Minovsky particles would do beyond "this limits engagement range to visual only" really. They exist to justify cool robot fights, not to actually be explored and see how their existence would shape society.
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Dec 28, 2020 14:23
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So apparently Bandai made a home computer back in the 80's called the RX-78 Gundam
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I’ve been thinking a lot about grunt suits lately and I’m coming around on the Jegan a lot, mostly because as a grunt it looks very distinct from any gundam whereas you can tell immediately that GMs are mass production gundams. The Zaku II is still really high up there as an enemy grunt suit though. I kind of feel like the Zaku II disappeared pretty fast but that’s just because it gets phased out by gouf -> Dom -> Gelgoog. Hizacks are just zakus which is forgivable since they’re an iconic design and there’s precedent for enemy tech getting repurposed by the winners of a war. It’s impressive how many cool one off mobile suits the Titans get though. I’m midway through ZZ and the current grunt suit for Neo Zeon is the Gazas which have that Zeta design weirdness but I don’t feel too strongly one way or another about them and wondering when they’ll be replaced with something else. Not an edit: acguy is absolutely moe.
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I like the titan aesthetic of "zeon but weirder and uglier" Like they've got monoeyes but they go in strange and awkward directions with their mobile suit shapes and I kind of love it
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Dec 29, 2020 23:24
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If you're into ZZ then there's the Zaku III that gets a brief spotlight. Jegan is bae and easily the most successful and longest serving grunt suit in the UC. In a setting where mass production suits go through initial design drafts to deployment in a matter of months the Jegan and its variants stayed in active service for decades.
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The Stark Jegan was what finally made the Jegan work for me, despite liking the Zaku and other essentially "Mono" coloured suits, the Jegan stands out to me as TOO Mono-Coloured to the point of not being interesting. The Stark helped break it up with browns.
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Its the ECOAS variant that seals it for me. The Unicorn's main gun might be called a beam magnum but the ECOAS Jegan has a beam Beretta and a bowie knife.
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hostess with the Moltres posted:I’ve been thinking a lot about grunt suits lately and I’m coming around on the Jegan a lot, mostly because as a grunt it looks very distinct from any gundam whereas you can tell immediately that GMs are mass production gundams. The Zaku II is still really high up there as an enemy grunt suit though. I kind of feel like the Zaku II disappeared pretty fast but that’s just because it gets phased out by gouf -> Dom -> Gelgoog. Hizacks are just zakus which is forgivable since they’re an iconic design and there’s precedent for enemy tech getting repurposed by the winners of a war. It’s impressive how many cool one off mobile suits the Titans get though. You would probably really like the Gundam books I shared about a week ago, lots of grunty goodness in them ninjewtsu posted:I like the titan aesthetic of "zeon but weirder and uglier" Which is why pretty much every Titans suit(and also the Dijeh and Rick Dias) I've gotten in Gundam Battle Operation 2 I've ended up giving the custom color scheme I devised for my Zeon suits rather than my Federation color scheme(going with just two faction based color schemes saves me a lot of time since I can just copy them between suits and then tweak the specific layout as needed) Arcsquad12 posted:If you're into ZZ then there's the Zaku III that gets a brief spotlight. Zaku III is a little weird cause while it is a mass produced suit, it's not quite a grunt unit
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I'm still a big fan of the Graze when it comes to grunts. It dies about as much as any of them, but it manages to feel like a solid combat design that runs into the meat grinder that is Barbatos rather than a piece of poo poo that explodes in a slight breeze. Design's distinct but references the Zaku heritage, the variations feel logical for their roles and for the product of a hyperpower, and the way they tie into other Mobile Suits makes for a coherent design heritage.
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