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mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Lester Shy posted:

It's worth noting that a lot of equipment you might already have can double as an audio interface if all you want to record is one electric guitar at a time. Both my multifx pedal and my amp made my Scarlett Solo redundant.

The equipment I already have:
an electric guitar
a 25 year old practice amp

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CHODEGOD420
Oct 27, 2020

by Athanatos
Any opinions on the Schecter PT Fastback II B? I want to finally upgrade from my 2004 Squier Affinity Tele and it's between the Schecter and a MIM Jaguar. I can't try out the Schecter and I'm worried about the neck thickness and radius. I've played a Jaguar before, and the neck on the Jaguar is more similar to the Tele, but the Schecter is my dream guitar (Tele with Bigsby and humbuckers).






https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/schecter-guitar-research-pt-fastback-iib-electric-guitar/l18019000002001

Malaria
Oct 21, 2017



Schecters are great. They get a bad rap because they make some ugly guitars and their resale value isn't great.

Check reverb and you can probably find a used or a b stock one for a nice discount.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
Is there a good book for learning the music theory basics of guitar? I've got some recollections of music knowledge and theory basics from highschool orchestra, so I've got some music literacy fundamentals, but definitely need a brushup.

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.
Is there not a market for guitars with midi trigger buttons or is modding one relegated to an electronic music nerd's right of passage?

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
Is that not what a keytar is? :haw:

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Lester Shy posted:

It's worth noting that a lot of equipment you might already have can double as an audio interface if all you want to record is one electric guitar at a time. Both my multifx pedal and my amp made my Scarlett Solo redundant.

This is likely true if they can act as computer audio interfaces.

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

CHODEGOD420 posted:

Any opinions on the Schecter PT Fastback II B? I want to finally upgrade from my 2004 Squier Affinity Tele and it's between the Schecter and a MIM Jaguar. I can't try out the Schecter and I'm worried about the neck thickness and radius. I've played a Jaguar before, and the neck on the Jaguar is more similar to the Tele, but the Schecter is my dream guitar (Tele with Bigsby and humbuckers).






https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/schecter-guitar-research-pt-fastback-iib-electric-guitar/l18019000002001

The Jaguar is a 24-inch scale guitar too, which definitely has its own feel to it. I think they'd both make good guitars, but I guess I don't see why you shouldn't make your dream come true. That tummy cut is so nice on a Telecaster body.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
Don't let your dreams be dreams.

bees x1000
Jun 11, 2020

Swap out the knobs for something with positional indicators and the emerald green version is very appealing.

curried lamb of God
Aug 31, 2001

we are all Marwinners

mango sentinel posted:

Is there a good book for learning the music theory basics of guitar? I've got some recollections of music knowledge and theory basics from highschool orchestra, so I've got some music literacy fundamentals, but definitely need a brushup.

Big fan of this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Music-Theory...09094797&sr=8-5

CHODEGOD420
Oct 27, 2020

by Athanatos

nitsuga posted:

The Jaguar is a 24-inch scale guitar too, which definitely has its own feel to it. I think they'd both make good guitars, but I guess I don't see why you shouldn't make your dream come true. That tummy cut is so nice on a Telecaster body.

I can't try out it in person. How drastic is it going to be going from a 9.5 radius to a 14? I have short fat fingers, don't know if it'll impede on making chords etc.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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To me it was pretty drastic. I like it now, not equally, but I like it enough. Still a 9.5 boi forever which I know is not very Iommi of me.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
any thoughts about the Gretsch Streamliner? My friend just got one in turquoise and it’s really really pretty

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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CHODEGOD420 posted:

I can't try out it in person. How drastic is it going to be going from a 9.5 radius to a 14? I have short fat fingers, don't know if it'll impede on making chords etc.

It's not the sort of thing where you'll go "oh yes, this is a flatter radius, which I can totally feel, and thus making it difficult for me to do chords." More likely you'll either be like "okay wow this I love this thing and I don't know why" or "I absolutely can't bond with this instrument and I don't know why."

I really love flat radius necks, but they also need to be pretty thin. I hate Gibson necks and those are on the flat side of things.

edit: for what it's worth with my favorite necks, one is 14" and the other 350mm and I can't tell the difference there but those are a lot closer than 9.5" and 14"

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Ok Comboomer posted:

any thoughts about the Gretsch Streamliner? My friend just got one in turquoise and it’s really really pretty

Very good guitar, I have one of these and would vouch for anyone to buy one
https://reverb.com/item/25471790-gr...Lu0c6f7-ZjTBul0

In person it’s a very deep gunmetal teal but If you’re looking for the super bright turquoise one I think you’ll need to look at the slightly larger 335 body style streamliner 2622

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Lester Shy posted:

Edit: Also, aren't repeated note names unavoidable if you're playing in most scales which use three consecutive chromatic notes like the blues scale? The C minor blues scale features an F, an F# and a G. How would you write these notes?

been sayin this! to me, insisting on using the proper name for enharmonic equivalents its like correcting someone's grammar in english. e.g. who vs whom. or bon appetit instead of bone apple tea.

beer gas canister posted:

In classical harmony it's sometimes called a "split tertian" chord. Rockists call it the Hendrix chord

never knew that! :monocle:

it makes sense, you're "spliting" the third so you get a major third and a minor third in the same chord!

beer gas canister posted:

It's tricky to talk about major-minor dichotomy in blues derived music. I think you have to examine the 6th and 7th scale degrees, and all of the chords, to actually make a meaningful decision about it.

beer gas canister posted:

It's really a question of the more "global" key signature of the piece, if it can be said to have a key signature in the European fashion. There are some A#s hinted at in melodic bends, and some A#s later on the tune. Harmony has to be considered with the context of the melody and the rest of the piece.

The blues scale - there is an exception regarding note names there, because the traditional European scales do not contain multiple chromatic notes in a row. The blues scale we tend to learn is a synthetic recreation of blues folkways, codified well after the fact by academics, so I wouldn't use it for almost any theory analysis that needs to mesh with traditional harmony. In fact there's a ton of blues that uses the regular major or minor scales, harmony included, so I wouldn't dedicate too much time to pondering the blues scale (coming from someone that almost exclusively played blues scales for years as a teenager). Worth noting that a lot of early blues musicians WERE trained to some degree, especially piano players, and often had some knowledge of the basics of harmony, at least enough to understand a few things about hymns. Many blues pianists would've learned Mozart, Bach, Chopin, etc from their teachers, who were likely church musicians or school teachers.

Re: pickup chat I'll again pimp Bootstrap pickups for some high quality, hand made, low cost pickups. My SSH set sounds ridiculously good. Their Tele pups are well loved too, though I don't have firsthand experience with them.

do you know about barry harris and the major 6th diminished scale? been looking at things from this standpoint lately, and it seems like you could use it to talk about blues, jazz, and classical harmony in a holistic way.

Verman posted:

It was an Eastman

WALTER: Also, Dude, Eastman is not the preferred nomenclature

.. lol jk congrats on the tele and breed wood. my neighbor has a couple breedwoods, and they're legit

mango sentinel posted:

Is there a good book for learning the music theory basics of guitar? I've got some recollections of music knowledge and theory basics from highschool orchestra, so I've got some music literacy fundamentals, but definitely need a brushup.

heres the book to get: https://www.halleonard.com/product/603009/the-advancing-guitarist

congrats on the tele and the orange wood , thats a winning combo. next up: classical??

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Ok Comboomer posted:

any thoughts about the Gretsch Streamliner? My friend just got one in turquoise and it’s really really pretty

They're very cool guitars. They can sounds great in nearly any genre of music from jazz to country, blues and rock, sound great clean and dirty, and have pretty narrow necks. The hollow body and broad/filtertron style pickups give it a unique gretsch sound. They can usually benefit from a good setup and straightening of the neck out the box but other than that they're great guitars for the price. I'm still set on buying one at some point. They're finished pretty well given their price tag and look fantastic.

I'm partial to the 2622 due to the classic 335 size, the sound and the look of it. The 2655 is cool too but starts to slightly lose the hollow sound but it's still a unique gretsch sound.

I recently played a turquoise one with three humbuckers and split coils giving me almost too many options but it sounded fantastic.

Even though I would prefer a bigsby, you can save some cash by doing without it, and probably tune less often.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Helianthus Annuus posted:

heres the book to get: https://www.halleonard.com/product/603009/the-advancing-guitarist

congrats on the tele and the orange wood , thats a winning combo. next up: classical??

Thanks y'all!

Also haven't bought the tele yet. In-laws gave me a bit more money for Christmas than normal so I may get a proper goal guitar. 😮
Absolutely no classical. If I get more esoteric from here it's gonna be a dobro, steel, or mandolin.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I would say the 2655 being smaller makes it sound closer to a chambered guitar than an actual semi hollow. If you're at all interested in recreating 2000's indie rock like QOTSA or the White Stripes it feels perfect for that. I love the broadtrons but I also think if you're going for the exact 335 sound the 2622 will not get that close, there are pretty noticeable differences

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
https://youtu.be/gChFHnQkmJ4

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

mango sentinel posted:

Is there a good book for learning the music theory basics of guitar? I've got some recollections of music knowledge and theory basics from highschool orchestra, so I've got some music literacy fundamentals, but definitely need a brushup.

don't buy anything that says guitar on the front for theory. music theory is instrument agnostic, and most of the good stuff is too. berklee harmony books 1-4 will get you where you need to go.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Yeah, one of the best books about music ever written is about the flute, and most of what's in there 100% applies to the guitar as well.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
I want something specfically to help me understand moving around the fretboard and comprehending why the guitar is desiged the way it is, rather than a deep dive right now. I'll definitely pick those up if/when I get into songwriting.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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That's all good to know but it's not music theory. The answer to why it's designed the way it is is that 500 years ago it was designed like this:


and it's been slightly tweaked again and again over roughly 600 years.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

creamcorn posted:

don't buy anything that says guitar on the front for theory. music theory is instrument agnostic, and most of the good stuff is too. berklee harmony books 1-4 will get you where you need to go.

its ok to learn theory from a guitar book. its good to have specific examples and exercises to help apply the concepts to the instrument.

but if you know piano, thats arguably a better instrument to learn theory. i think every guitar player should at least lay hands on a piano from time to time

mango sentinel posted:

I want something specfically to help me understand moving around the fretboard and comprehending why the guitar is desiged the way it is, rather than a deep dive right now. I'll definitely pick those up if/when I get into songwriting.

a violin is tuned in 5ths, which helps it cover a wide range of notes on only 4 strings. and its good for playing melodies. but we also have to play chords, so we tune in 4ths to make it easier to reach the 3rd intervals in our chord shapes

https://www.fender.com/articles/tech-talk/standard-tuning-how-eadgbe-came-to-be

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
I played violin in orchestra and a bit of piano of my own which is where my existing knowledge is from. Thank you for the article on standard tuning. I like the organization and structure of a piano because it's so easy to visualize everything, to my brain the guitar is the wild west by comparison.

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Baron von Eevl posted:

Yeah, one of the best books about music ever written is about the flute, and most of what's in there 100% applies to the guitar as well.
Which book is this?

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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The Leck posted:

Which book is this?

Quantz's On Playing The Flute. It's very 18th century and ostensibly flute-specific but there's a ton of broad advice about understanding the physical limits of your body, how to practice, and stuff on the more "philosophical" side of learning music.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Baron von Eevl posted:

Quantz's On Playing The Flute. It's very 18th century and ostensibly flute-specific but there's a ton of broad advice about understanding the physical limits of your body, how to practice, and stuff on the more "philosophical" side of learning music.

i've got a massive backlog of guitar books, and im a slow reader, so i'm not gonna get to your flute book anytime soon..

can you hit me with the tl;dr on the "philosophical" side of learning music? i've already got all the information i care to have on understanding the physical limits of my body lol

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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It's nut a terribly long book but the summary from B&N does a good job of outlining the basics:

quote:

... with detailed information on intonation, ornamentation, dynamics, the 'duties' of the various accompanying performers, including the leader of the orchestra, and the principal forms and styles (French, Italian and German) of the time.

It also gets into the otherwise generally unwritten stylistic performance decisions that were common in the era, kind of like how vibrato isn't generally notated in rock music but it's still expected that you're going to do it on certain notes.

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Baron von Eevl posted:

Quantz's On Playing The Flute. It's very 18th century and ostensibly flute-specific but there's a ton of broad advice about understanding the physical limits of your body, how to practice, and stuff on the more "philosophical" side of learning music.
Thanks, sounds pretty interesting! I'll add it to the massive backlog of reading to do :tipshat:

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Helianthus Annuus posted:

but if you know piano, thats arguably a better instrument to learn theory. i think every guitar player should at least lay hands on a piano from time to time

Hard agree. Anybody with a serious interest in theory should invest in a cheap keyboard (you can get a little MIDI keyboard on Amazon for $30 or an old busted Casio from literally any pawn shop in the world). It's so much easier to wrap my head around harmonic concepts when every note is laid out in a simple, logical way like a piano.

TwoHeadedDeer
Nov 24, 2020

I will be made a new creature, one bright day
question for those of you with guitar repair experience; my dad has '91 ES-335 with a broken neck (snapped right where the neck and headstock meet). it was repaired when he bought it, and it recently snapped in the same place while in storage. would replacing the neck be advisable for a total novice like me to attempt?

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Not really first of all where are you going to get a neck from?
All parts and Mitey mite don't make replacment Gibson (is it a Gibson or an Epiphone)necks and Gibson won't sell you one they would want to to send the guitar to them for repair.
Set necks require a specific angle when the neck is glued in or you'll never get the action right it's not like a bolt on neck where if the angle is wrong you can just unbolt the neck and add a shim.

Your best bet would be to reglue the headstock break but add in splines this time.
That's still major guitar surgery
Here's a video of a similar repair done by a pro luthier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPQf8tZ3fQ

It will still require some building of jigs and some basic power tool wood working knowledge to be able to have it hold.

Who did the first repair on it? Do you know what kind of glue they used?

E:found another video of this exact same repair you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr-I5OlyaE

Thumposaurus fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Dec 29, 2020

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop

Helianthus Annuus posted:

do you know about barry harris and the major 6th diminished scale? been looking at things from this standpoint lately, and it seems like you could use it to talk about blues, jazz, and classical harmony in a holistic way.

I've heard of it but I never learned the particulars. Trust that if Barry Harris played it, it's as good as gospel. To contrast, the Berklee College 60s jazz theory thing, which is sort of a jumbled mess of concepts lifted from classical harmony, is not great when trying to explain some of the elements of chromatic harmony. In Aebersold-speak, the major 6th diminished scale was called the "bebop scale."

In my time at music school, nearly the entire jazz faculty turned over in the same year, from a bunch of 70s trained Berklee style people, to some more modern NYC people, and one of them stated outright that their goal was to unfuck our minds from the dated Berklee language. Barry Harris definitely plays a part in that "new" academic understanding of jazz harmony - though it's more correct that it's the "old" style, really, built on a foundation of actual classical harmony, an integration & theorization of folkish and popular Americana music (ragtime, barbershop, Great American Songbook), and the chromatic expansions of blues & bebop.

Regarding enharmonic spellings of notes: I strongly recommend adjusting to the correct accidentals from the parent scale. It will save you from terrible mental gymnastics and errors during analysis. In sheet music, write whatever matches the chord symbols or the key signature. Reading a chart with hosed up enharmonics is TERRIBLE and potentially gig-destroying (speaking from experience)

beer gas canister fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Dec 29, 2020

TwoHeadedDeer
Nov 24, 2020

I will be made a new creature, one bright day

Thumposaurus posted:

Not really first of all where are you going to get a neck from?
All parts and Mitey mite don't make replacment Gibson (is it a Gibson or an Epiphone)necks and Gibson won't sell you one they would want to to send the guitar to them for repair.
Set necks require a specific angle when the neck is glued in or you'll never get the action right it's not like a bolt on neck where if the angle is wrong you can just unbolt the neck and add a shim.

Your best bet would be to reglue the headstock break but add in splines this time.
That's still major guitar surgery
Here's a video of a similar repair done by a pro luthier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPQf8tZ3fQ

It will still require some building of jigs and some basic power tool wood working knowledge to be able to have it hold.

Who did the first repair on it? Do you know what kind of glue they used?

E:found another video of this exact same repair you need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr-I5OlyaE

I hadn't thought that far ahead; my instinct was to just replace it altogether because this is the second break, and I figured the current neck was shot. It's a Gibson (not positive if the neck is bolt-on or set). I saw some Gibson necks listed on Reverb that I could try.

the first repair was by a guy in town, I could give him a call and ask about the glue he used. I don't mind giving the glue method a shot, but it seems like a temporary solution based on the guitar's history

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
AFAIK Gibson headstocks just kinda pop off every couple of years like locusts showing up. So long as it's a U or V shaped break it should be fine for a shop to glue it back.

BDA
Dec 10, 2007

Extremely grim and evil.
Gibson had a few bolt-on models in the late 70s/early 80s (Sonex, Marauder, etc.) but other than that virtually all of their models have set necks.

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BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

As mentioned, Gibson heads just snap occasionally because of the amazingly terribly designed joint. There's just not a lot of wood between neck and head, with the truss rod and all, and there's a lot of tension from the strings. As far as I have seen, the best option is to get an ESP instead glue it back together with a splint (two) as posted above. Just adding the second piece of wood does a lot for its strength as far as I have heard.

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