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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Yossarian-22 posted:

Is there good India media out there?

There is some okay coverage but it's all in hindi with no real transcriptions. The big newspapers like the times of india are okay when you just need some coverage but they share the same brand of carrying water for the administration like ours do.

There are some neat interviews with nalaxites out there though. This is an interview with the secretary of the CPI(M) who was recently released from prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HdPLE1Sjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h2CuSKzFm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYI4GoPqDWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElgpDNOkyAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYuAC_T2xPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF54VwVpdhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imR9lPYThps

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/SitaramYechury/status/1343440866505936898

here's a good account, he's with CPI(M). the party itself has lots of regional twitter accounts too

hilarious he's quoting the freedom index to get a point across tho

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There is some okay coverage but it's all in hindi with no real transcriptions. The big newspapers like the times of india are okay when you just need some coverage but they share the same brand of carrying water for the administration like ours do.

There are some neat interviews with nalaxites out there though. This is an interview with the secretary of the CPI(M) who was recently released from prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HdPLE1Sjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h2CuSKzFm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYI4GoPqDWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElgpDNOkyAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYuAC_T2xPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF54VwVpdhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imR9lPYThps

Gotta use CPI (Maoist) to refer to the Naxals, since CPI (Marxist) also exists.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

i say swears online posted:

incels but for national revanchism

so this is what C-SPAM has been reduced to...

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

have we considered starting a socialist mass movement based off of owning the libs

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Stairmaster posted:

have we considered starting a socialist mass movement based off of owning the libs

building full communism to own the libs

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Stairmaster posted:

have we considered starting a socialist mass movement based off of owning the libs

this might be genius

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lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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apropos to nothing posted:

yeah I mean I understand that people do all sorts of contradictory things but most spiritual belief hinges on some set of ideas or rules which outline whats good and bad and these things dont change and are decided by a supreme being and how well you follow them determines what happens to you after you die. this kind of thinking doesnt gel with dialectical materialism at all and imo runs completely counter to it. not a value judgement or anything but i just dont understand how someone can genuinely believe in/practice dialectical materialism and also be a genuine believer/practitioner of any religion im aware of.

you dont think the socialist ideal defines a moral ideal for a mortal to aspire to then? the whole point of marxism, of socialism, is the ascension of the human being toward a higher state of being, and you're saying you dont the see any echoes of metaphysical dvinity in that, which is ridiculous, which means you cant possibly mean that. socialism is simply the current phase of ascension on the long road, from a literal mud of nuclear and amino, towards a kardashev scale civilication, and if you do not see a connection to the prophets of human history, advocating a more perfect and moral form of social organization, then i dunno what to tell ya.

Marx was simply the last of the prophets, and we await for the next Allah deems us worthy of receiving. the Empire is awaiting the fall all empires are fated for, and we await for the next turn of the wheel

pleanty of ways to see marxism a methaphysical representation insh'Allah

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
You're mentally ill friend.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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huh?

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

lollontee posted:

the whole point of marxism, of socialism, is the ascension of the human being toward a higher state of being

lol

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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well, the ascencion of the human being as a commune of cooperating individuals oragabized as a society

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

lollontee posted:

well, the ascencion of the human being as a commune of cooperating individuals oragabized as a society

Please stop posting while on hallucinogenics

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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orangabized

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Dreddout posted:

Please stop posting while on hallucinogenics

please start posting while on hallucinogenics, might make you less of a bore

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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thinking about the ascension of the human species in a series of incremental cvilizational phases as a serious question of metaphysical validity over here

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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you know, does it merit a question

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This is why I dont talk to drug people ever

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
sounds boring tbh

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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yuove just lost half of youre potential audience

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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marxism is ultimately an aspirational project aimed at the collective and individual self-fulfillment of humanity

there, i said it in a boring enough way for people who read marx

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00at9ZUlsc

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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initiate: doing drugs to expand you mind
acolyte: reading marx
enlightenment lebel over 9000: writing neomarxist polemic on drugs

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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im going to rewatch fall of eagleas now instead of debating the existence of gpg with you lot now

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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i mean i got plenty of drugs for the time beingg. i dont need to think about god for at least 9 hours goibng forward

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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discovering marxism on my ayahuasca retreat

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014
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croup coughfield posted:

discovering marxism on my ayahuasca retreat

nice post/avi combo

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
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apropos to nothing posted:

yeah I mean I understand that people do all sorts of contradictory things but most spiritual belief hinges on some set of ideas or rules which outline whats good and bad and these things dont change and are decided by a supreme being and how well you follow them determines what happens to you after you die. this kind of thinking doesnt gel with dialectical materialism at all and imo runs completely counter to it. not a value judgement or anything but i just dont understand how someone can genuinely believe in/practice dialectical materialism and also be a genuine believer/practitioner of any religion im aware of.

you're conflating spiritual belief and religion, and defining 'spiritual belief' in a way that is essentially supernatural. if that's what people mean by spiritual belief, then you're right: spiritual beliefs and marxism are incompatible.

some people have found that those sorts of supernatural beliefs are no longer tenable, whether for marxist reasons or not, and tried to reconceive spirituality (and related domains, like ethics) in a way that is consistent with naturalism, modern science, the kind of enlightenment thought that inspired marx, etc. that book i linked to earlier is an example by a marxist trying to square the circle of spirituality and the modern worldview in a marxist way. whether it works or not, idk, but it doesn't seem trivially wrong, to me

edit: the following article tackles the same dilemma. it asks: how can we have a modern, materialist worldview and retain some kind of spiritual belief without being intellectually dishonest? it's written from the perspective of a philosopher and neuroscientist, and so is unrelated to marxism but is still interesting and important for marxists tackling such questions

https://www.philosophie-e.fb05.uni-mainz.de/files/2013/07/Metzinger_SIR_2017_English.pdf

Finicums Wake fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jan 3, 2021

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


i don't know if anything involving ayahuasca can be called a 'retreat'

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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apropos to nothing posted:

yeah I mean I understand that people do all sorts of contradictory things but most spiritual belief hinges on some set of ideas or rules which outline whats good and bad and these things dont change and are decided by a supreme being and how well you follow them determines what happens to you after you die. this kind of thinking doesnt gel with dialectical materialism at all and imo runs completely counter to it. not a value judgement or anything but i just dont understand how someone can genuinely believe in/practice dialectical materialism and also be a genuine believer/practitioner of any religion im aware of.

this version of religion was basically invented to better rule the colonies by being able to rule according to "tradition." it is precisely what the old man in Kipling is making fun of when he says its turtles all the way down.

this was a concept being literally invented whole cloth and applied to our own understanding of culture, a term which was also something we had recently invented to describe ourselves and others. it was then useful for denigrating the lower classes back home. there is also a lot of anticatholic propaganda tied into it as well in protestant countries.

adopting this as the core of one's own religious identity, fundamentalism, is an insanity peculiar to capitalism

Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jan 3, 2021

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

yes yes we all heard that fplus episodes

i'd make a "post while high itt" thread but the cats thread mostly fulfills that

Hodgepodge
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T-man posted:

yes yes we all heard that fplus episodes

i'd make a "post while high itt" thread but the cats thread mostly fulfills that

i mostly got this from lectures but im glad there's a podcast now because I can never remember the primary sources

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
wtf is f plus

THS
Sep 15, 2017

i agree w/ lollontee

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

i was a dsa 2017 delegate to the chicago national convention and there were trots tabling outside it

I told them "we left the Socialist International!" and they said "a hundred years too late"

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

platzapS posted:

i was a dsa 2017 delegate to the chicago national convention and there were trots tabling outside it

I told them "we left the Socialist International!" and they said "a hundred years too late"

fascinating. so you agree then that there is a god and that you meet him if you do enough drugs

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

god IS drugs

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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after vomiting profusely, i have reached the conclusion that theere is no god

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
What are people's opinions on the debate between full employment guarantees and UBI?

Amber Frost seems to think that it would cause people to regress to a state similar to 50s housewives.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-ubi-betty-friedan-feminine-mystique

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

ToxicAcne posted:

What are people's opinions on the debate between full employment guarantees and UBI?

Amber Frost seems to think that it would cause people to regress to a state similar to 50s housewives.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/andrew-yang-universal-basic-income-ubi-betty-friedan-feminine-mystique

quote:

America has already witnessed the largest UBI experiment known to history — the postwar middle-class housewife. And she was utterly miserable.

this seems like an utterly buffoonish comparison and idk why I’d bother reading the rest of the article if she thinks that’s a good jumping off point

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