|
britishbornandbread posted:Oh he’s absolutely awesome. But by 1996 standards, he’s the heel and Shawn is the race. They push that “bizarro land” poo poo on commentary these days but was that really a thing 25 years ago? Shawn was a loving terrible babyface in 1996
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 04:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 12:59 |
|
|
britishbornandbread posted:Currently enjoying Survivor Series 1996 with a beer. Is there a deeper reason for the smarky crowd cheering Sid and booing Shawn? They seemed “normal” for Bret v Austin before. There was this brief period in 1996 where Sid was red hot and even putting on some of the best performances of his career until he hosed it up in typical Sid fashion. Plus there was building resentment from the male fans at least for Shawn as far back as when he beat Vader at Summerslam maybe even earlier.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 04:13
|
|
|
Sid is the master and ruler of the world OP
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 04:22
|
|
|
The reaction Sid gets at Survivor Series 1996 is fantastic. Which is amazing considering how crap the rest of that card is (Bret vs Austin excluded).
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 16:27
|
|
|
SatoshiMiwa posted:It's always happened in Wrestling, just for the WWE they'd always edit TV to make sure the face was cheered so it's not as noticeable on TV. On PPV though you can't edit so it makes it through I'd dispute that last part, because if they thought Hogan straight up cheating to pull Sid out because he had the audacity to... eliminate him in a battle royal... was gonna get Hogan cheered, then I'm not sure Vince has ever understood how a hero acts
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 16:46
|
|
|
He probably thought Hogan was so beloved that anybody eliminating him would be instantly booed. And with Hogan it was never about being a hero. It was about being an rear end in a top hat to people the crowd hated. The crowd didn't hate Sid, who'da thunk? Can I just say I am fine with Hogan being a dick to dastardly heels. I mean that was Hogan's magic. Taking the fight to people who have it coming instead of being designated victims like Ricky Steamboat. Sid just...didn't have it coming.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 16:57
|
|
|
Gaz-L posted:I'm not sure Vince has ever understood how a hero acts I think that his skewed sense of morals has made him unable to book a great face, aside from the few times he lucked into it, and that he has grown increasingly detached from modern morality as time has gone on.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 17:01
|
|
|
Ok a question that bugs me: I know Mark Henry is super strong and "The World's Strongest Man" was not just hype but I never remember seeing him throw people around the ring. Did Henry ever actually throw people around and have actual power moves aside from The World's Strongest Slam?
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 17:10
|
|
|
Not people related, but he tore the door of the cage that one time. And I saw a video of him folding a frying pan in half once, that was cool.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 17:23
|
|
|
ChrisBTY posted:Ok a question that bugs me: I know Mark Henry is super strong and "The World's Strongest Man" was not just hype but I never remember seeing him throw people around the ring. Did Henry ever actually throw people around and have actual power moves aside from The World's Strongest Slam? He did a bear hug & that is surely a power move Or the time he gorilla pressed Vader
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 17:38
|
|
|
ChrisBTY posted:Did Henry ever actually throw people around 
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 17:49
|
|
|
ChrisBTY posted:He probably thought Hogan was so beloved that anybody eliminating him would be instantly booed. And with Hogan it was never about being a hero. It was about being an rear end in a top hat to people the crowd hated. The crowd didn't hate Sid, who'da thunk? Yeah, it's worth noting that in the months he had been in the company, Sid Justice came off as a truly upstanding and likeable guy. - Brought in to be the special referee in the SummerSlam main event and played it down the middle despite Slaughter trying to lure him over to the heel side. - Celebrated with Hogan after the match. - Came to Savage and Elizabeth's rescue at their reception when Jake Roberts and Undertaker started causing trouble. - Feuded with the most evil dudes on the roster until getting an arm injury. His response? Start a campaign to get Randy Savage reinstated so he could righteously gently caress up Jake Roberts. - At the Royal Rumble, he already eliminated Slaughter (post-face turn) and Savage, so him taking out Hogan was not some big swerve.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 18:47
|
|
|
Gavok posted:
Even as a little kid watching his first live WWF PPV event I understood it was every man for himself so was okay with Sid Justice taking out fellow faces. I remember my friends and I were furious when Hogan cost Sid the Rumble after he was eliminated fair and square. I got into wrestling in '91 so was never really a Hulkamaniac but I'm curious what Hogan fans thought about that at the time.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 20:50
|
|
|
I can only imagine it was a matter of Vince thinking 'Either Sid replaces Hogan or feuds with him' and Hogan wasn't ready to be replaced.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 21:22
|
|
|
bartok posted:Even as a little kid watching his first live WWF PPV event I understood it was every man for himself so was okay with Sid Justice taking out fellow faces. I remember my friends and I were furious when Hogan cost Sid the Rumble after he was eliminated fair and square. Just months before, me and most other kids were shocked he lost to Undertaker, so I wonder if that removed some of the mystique. Or, maybe people were just worn out on Hogan by then.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 21:22
|
|
|
What good singles matches has Big E had?
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 21:45
|
|
|
forkboy84 posted:He did a bear hug & that is surely a power move So yeah that video autoplayed into a 'Mark Henry Strength Tribute' vid. Which was 80% WSSs, 19% Press Slams and 1 Superplex. drat near 20 years in the biz and he couldn't even do a power bomb.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 21:45
|
|
|
ChrisBTY posted:He probably thought Hogan was so beloved that anybody eliminating him would be instantly booed. And with Hogan it was never about being a hero. It was about being an rear end in a top hat to people the crowd hated. The crowd didn't hate Sid, who'da thunk? I think that's a fine thing for babyfaces to do, but they should be provoked. Like Tanahashi kicking Jay White in the dick after White does it to him, or Jon Moxley attacking Omega backstage after Omega had him Nancy Kerriganed. Losing a match and then going dirty is 100% a heel move and if it had been literally anyone but Hogan, no-one would've expected it to play as a babyface spot.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2021 23:04
|
|
|
oldpainless posted:What good singles matches has Big E had? Probably stuff this year. He’s almost exclusively been a tag team guy on the main roster and his earliest push on WWE TV when with Ziggler would have been a lot of squashes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 06:48
|
|
|
ChrisBTY posted:I can only imagine it was a matter of Vince thinking 'Either Sid replaces Hogan or feuds with him' and Hogan wasn't ready to be replaced. No, Vince never really thought Sid was going to replace Hogan. The plan going into the Rumble was always to set up Hogan vs Sid as a single match both as a promise to Sid (Main Event at mania against Hogan) and cause Hogan was going to film a movie/hide while the Steroid fall out hit the company. The company just thought that the usual friend turning on Hogan angle would work like it did in the past. They just honestly thought Sid would get booed and the crowd would hate Flair winning. But hey, it turns out having Flair go 50 minutes plus and fighting off all challengers really allowed him to show his charisma and aura in a way that he hadn't shown in years. And Sid's charisma was something that was never in the WWF before and fans where desperate for something new at this point. And whelp when Hogan threw his tantrum after help eliminate Sid and after Flair put on a show the crowd ended up turning on him
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 07:28
|
|
|
So I've been watching a lot of Lucha Underground summary/highlight videos, and figuring out who is who from their cast list. Who is Marty "The Moth"? He seems to have a pretty solid character, isn't terrible in the ring, and is large. Is he anyone? Or are the highlight videos hiding his badness?
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 14:27
|
|
|
Cocomonk3 posted:So I've been watching a lot of Lucha Underground summary/highlight videos, and figuring out who is who from their cast list. I think he was first on a season of Tough Enough then showed up in Lucha Underground. I don't think he's done anything of note since.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 14:32
|
|
|
He was out for a while with a pretty bad back injury iirc.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 14:41
|
|
|
Punch McLightning posted:Probably stuff this year. He’s almost exclusively been a tag team guy on the main roster and his earliest push on WWE TV when with Ziggler would have been a lot of squashes. NXT run "Five Count" Big E Langston has a theme song that slaps and does good-for-the-time work. He lost the NXT Title to Bo Dallas so that should be alright.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 15:20
|
|
|
So Roderick Strong hit his daughter with a can of beans during a podcast and they made it a question on Jeopardy?
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 17:52
|
|
|
britishbornandbread posted:Currently enjoying Survivor Series 1996 with a beer. Is there a deeper reason for the smarky crowd cheering Sid and booing Shawn? They seemed “normal” for Bret v Austin before.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 20:44
|
|
|
I was 13 at the time and also soured on Shawn during that. I can't remember if it was just that I liked Sid more or what, but maybe it was leftover resentment from Bret losing the Iron Man Match in bullshit fashion. Really the whole WM12 build is what ruined Shawn for me as a kid because Bret was always my favorite and even as a kid I could see the writing on the wall with the "boyhood dream" stuff being crammed down our throats.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 21:14
|
|
|
Why didn't WCW ever put the strap on Regis Philbin?
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 22:18
|
|
|
Why was Vince so enamored by Shawn Michaels? HBK is practically the antithesis of everything Vince looked for in a top guy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 22:19
|
|
|
bartok posted:Why was Vince so enamored by Shawn Michaels? HBK is practically the antithesis of everything Vince looked for in a top guy. His options were pretty limited at the time, but I imagine Vince was into his smack-talking (both on-screen and off-screen) and his ability to protect himself. Vince is weird, he's a control freak who is also turned on by people standing up for themselves... when he's in the right mood or his hands are tied, hopefully not literally.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 22:42
|
|
|
bartok posted:Why was Vince so enamored by Shawn Michaels? HBK is practically the antithesis of everything Vince looked for in a top guy. Coked up, arrogant as hell and not afraid to bury other guys to protect his spot? 6 inches and 40 pounds and Shawn could've been Hogan in that era. And I say that as someone who was 9 years old for WM 12 and was 100% in the HBK wagon and still kinda am.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 22:42
|
|
|
Eat My Fuc posted:Why didn't WCW ever put the strap on Regis Philbin? Because Regis was a WWF guy
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 22:45
|
|
|
The fundamental thing that needs to be understood about why Shawn didn't fully click as top face in 1996 (with seeds planted in 1995) is this: Vince had never booked a heart throb babyface before and clearly had no idea how to do so. You have to use something like Jerry Jarrett's template for the Fabulous Ones, where they're booked as such e[ic rear end kickers in so many big brawls that male fans never start resenting them. Shawn's first PPV title defense being the street fight with Diesel was a great step, but he did very little of that. Instead, most of the time, he was the weirdo inviting kids to do stripper dances with him while the announcers fawned over him incessantly. And while he was taking his dick out at house shows as top babyface. Maybe it would have worked better if they kept some of the rougher edges he had in 1995, but at the end of the day, you still have a guy booked by someone who thought it was a good idea to coach the announcers into sounding like they were campaigning to bed him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2021 23:33
|
|
|
I think the crowds wouldn't have turned on him if Shawn was kept like his Mania 11 character since that was what was getting over with the crowds, though in the end any Shawn run was gonna end in failure in 96 due to Drugs and politics and refusing to do jobs
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 00:21
|
|
|
The other day I was looking at a thread that had Wrestler of the Month (Like above) listed back to 2007/2008 and now I can't find it for the life of me. Can someone direct me to it?
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 20:04
|
|
|
Davros1 posted:The other day I was looking at a thread that had Wrestler of the Month (Like above) listed back to 2007/2008 and now I can't find it for the life of me. Can someone direct me to it? That's always the post after voting for the champ of the month closes https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3953579#post511252111
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 20:30
|
|
|
a cyborg mug posted:That's always the post after voting for the champ of the month closes https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3953579#post511252111 Thanks. For some reason kept thinking it was at the beginning of some poll
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 21:04
|
|
|
When did wrestling fans become so toxic and insane with how they draw company lines? I was on the internet pretty early on as a teenager poking around RSPW and all that stuff, and I don't know if it was just because I was a kid and the internet wasn't quite so ingrained in our daily lives but I don't remember everyone being quite so hateful of companies other than their main company. Obviously you can think of stuff like ECW and its fans making GBS threads on WWF and WCW, but I don't know – it somehow just feels different from what we see week-in and week-out from people on Twitter. Was there a tipping point? Or was it always like this, just better hidden without social media to shine a brighter light on it?
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 21:22
|
|
|
Ganso Bomb posted:When did wrestling fans become so toxic and insane with how they draw company lines? I was on the internet pretty early on as a teenager poking around RSPW and all that stuff, and I don't know if it was just because I was a kid and the internet wasn't quite so ingrained in our daily lives but I don't remember everyone being quite so hateful of companies other than their main company. It's always been a thing. It's just more noticeable now because this is the first time in over 20 years WWE has had real competition. Before AEW it was hatred for individual wrestlers. This subforum fairly recently had a thread devoted to Holocaust jokes to let out their hatred for Roman Reigns.
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 21:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 12:59 |
|
|
rare Magic card l00k posted:It's always been a thing. It's just more noticeable now because this is the first time in over 20 years WWE has had real competition. i don't think that's really true, especially in the 80s all the smart fans personally knew each other so the flame wars were small. i will agree with you that by the time paul heyman was trying to get wade keller cancelled on rspw for asking ecw's ppv company for comment about mass transit, poo poo was toxic
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2021 21:36
|
|
