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Cup Runneth Over posted:What's the most reliable way to detonate one of these? Asking for a friend I'm told it's "building light rail tunnels that poor people can use" which will render them instantly super-active and dangerous. More seriously, there's actually oil under Beverly Hills but all the wells are disguised. There's oil rigs behind the Beverly Center.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:That would be Valco in Cupertino. A stone's throw from Apple. Wait, wasn't this the crazy lady who owns the completly loving empty high end mixed retail and condos across the street trying to get subsidized to build the exact same thing again?
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The Glumslinger posted:Oooh, oooh, oooh, teacher, call on me, I know the answer My neighborhood Facebook group gets into a twist every time the new Bart stations come up. Apparently I am an evil gentrifier who wants to destroy the character of the neighborhood because I think San Jose's public transit is laughably bad and we need way more of it, especially in and near downtown.
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https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/ Hmm, 0% ICU availability state wide seems like it might be bad. *checks news* Nothing on the news means it's normal. The invisible hand of the free market must be allocating resources with 100% efficiency. Praise capitalism.
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SlimGoodbody posted:My sister is moving to Fresno with her bf and I have worries cause I keep seeing wild poo poo happen there Fresno's only good quality is that it isn't Bakersfield. DeadlyMuffin posted:My neighborhood Facebook group gets into a twist every time the new Bart stations come up. Apparently I am an evil gentrifier who wants to destroy the character of the neighborhood because I think San Jose's public transit is laughably bad and we need way more of it, especially in and near downtown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjEI3Ko-kp8&t=5306s side_burned fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Complications posted:https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/ 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:There was a now-abandoned effort to turn a large dead mall in either San Jose or Santa Clara (corrections welcome) that they wanted to turn into housing, and the neighbors complained because more traffic. Brisbane, the little neighborhood-sized town directly south of SF, has a huge undeveloped area along the border with the city (looks like abandoned overgrown parking lots/industrial zones...basically some giant fields with crumbling roads and old telephone poles sticking out). Would be a great place for 10,000 homes. A few years ago some people came up with a plan to develop it with retail and offices and housing, but then the brisbane city council or whatever was like "noooooo think about our quaint neighborhood character! no more housing, office and retail only!"  So i guess now there's gonna be no housing there lol 
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Jaxyon posted:More seriously, there's actually oil under Beverly Hills but all the wells are disguised. There's oil rigs behind the Beverly Center. https://www.conservation.ca.gov/calgem/Pages/WellFinder.aspx Shows you all the Oil, gas, and geothermal Wells in California to include currently operating Wells and long abandoned stuff
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:"minorities will come in on the train to steal your tv while you're at work" was the reason why the caltrain atherton station was only open on weekends
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's also why BART doesn't go down the Peninsula IIRC. $5B to extend BART to downtown San Jose but it's from the East Bay side for some loving reason so it's still gonna take like an hour and a half to commute to downtown SF lol.
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Flying cars will be here soon so who needs to fill in all these potholes? Checkmate libs we have musk on our side now.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's also why BART doesn't go down the Peninsula IIRC. Isn't that also why it doesn't go into Marin County?
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Bizarro Watt posted:Isn't that also why it doesn't go into Marin County? Pretty much. Here's a map of what they were considering back in the 1950s:  Service from Santa Rosa to San Jose.
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Bizarro Watt posted:Isn't that also why it doesn't go into Marin County? not really. san mateo+ voluntarily dropped out first and then the BART commission asked Marin to drop out presuming, they wouldn't have the tax base and funds to support it going up there and marin voters may reject it, so they complied. Marin tried to get back into it later but was rejected. idk maybe it was a good move and maybe it would have went down in flames, maybe it wouldn't.
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Xaris posted:not really. san mateo+ voluntarily dropped out first and then the BART commission asked Marin to drop out presuming, they wouldn't have the tax base and funds to support it going up there and marin voters may reject it, so they complied. Marin tried to get back into it later but was rejected. idk maybe it was a good move and maybe it would have went down in flames, maybe it wouldn't. Interesting, I'd always heard the story that Marin didn't want it. But looking around I found this article that says the idea was wildly popular, but there was pushback over the loss of bridge tolls. quote:The public loved the idea. A 1956 poll found that 87.7 percent of Marin residents wanted a BART line. The article says that San Mateo County dropped out in 1961 due to costs so between that and the pressure from the bridge district the plans got scaled back.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Pretty much. Here's a map of what they were considering back in the 1950s:  Very next post had a link. Ardeem fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jan 4, 2021 |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Interesting, I'd always heard the story that Marin didn't want it. But looking around I found this article that says the idea was wildly popular, but there was pushback over the loss of bridge tolls. That kind of stuff drives me insane. Balkanized transit agencies are insanely bad because it creates a situation where each individual agency ends up being a separate interest group. My secret hope is that all the transit agencies go bankrupt during covid and then get consolidated.
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If the transit agencies go bankruot then that'll just be it for public transit for the foreseeable future. There is very little political will to invest in them right now, particularly anything that would cross county lines and thus not be subject to being run like a fiefdom.
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https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1346209249312055297 Hooray for Prop 22!
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Despite what articles at the time say, count me as very skeptical that what was built as a single-deck suspension bridge can be modified to handle trains going on and off. They made the bridge a pedestrian bridge closed to cars on it's 50th anniversary in the 70s and so many people crowded onto it that the span actually began to sag. You're not going to put trains full of people on there. C'mon. El Mero Mero posted:That kind of stuff drives me insane. Balkanized transit agencies are insanely bad because it creates a situation where each individual agency ends up being a separate interest group. My secret hope is that all the transit agencies go bankrupt during covid and then get consolidated. There's already a coordinating body among the bay area transit agencies. The bridge agency has to keep enough money to maintain, well, a bridge, and part of that is maintaining a monopoly on alternative inter-county routes from Marin to elsewhere. They don't own the Richmond Bridge, obviously, but do run the bus route across it. The bus and ferry services are operated by the same management as the bridge since they are projects that are designed to keep a bridge from 1935 that isn't going to get any wider sufficient for the amount of demand. The bridge's bus and ferry service are expensive, but there's two reasons for that: no state money goes to those things so they have to be completely self-sufficient, and their drivers/operators are not contracted to a private company but are unionized state employees. They're represented by ATU instead of SEIU, but you can expect all the pensions and whatnot that come with working for State of California. The agency claims the fare is only covering 20% of the actual cost of service, with 50% coming from bridge tolls and the remainder from miscellaneous sources. But the fare is a bit over $10 one-way between Sonoma and SF. Which implies the actual cost is about $50 per passenger. And while I support charging punitive congestion charges on drivers on the bridge, the system would actually fall apart if everyone stopped and took transit instead. The regressive taxes of bridge tolls (a Rolls-Royce and a Honda Civic pay the same fare) and transit passes isn't compatible with the labor structure of government employees whose negotiators expect a large tax base. As for BART, I think the future of transit between The City and regions northward isn't trains on bridges, or even bridges, but boats that are far more environmentally friendly than past boats have been. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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El Mero Mero posted:That kind of stuff drives me insane. Balkanized transit agencies are insanely bad because it creates a situation where each individual agency ends up being a separate interest group. My secret hope is that all the transit agencies go bankrupt during covid and then get consolidated. Audience was not impressed with this bureaucrat protecting their fiefdom (I wish I yelled "YES!" from the crowd, but I was younger at the time). A number of people we talked to wanting to try their hand at doing whatever "clean energy" project in California had issues with having to deal with so many different overlapping agencies compared to, say, Nevada, or any neighboring state really.
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Craptacular! posted:Despite what articles at the time say, count me as very skeptical that what was built as a single-deck suspension bridge can be modified to handle trains going on and off. They made the bridge a pedestrian bridge closed to cars on it's 50th anniversary in the 70s and so many people crowded onto it that the span actually began to sag. You're not going to put trains full of people on there. C'mon. Yeah abag also fills some of that coordinating role. It's all toothless until the coordinating body gets armed with hammer and scalpel powers though. I mean, just look at how long clipper has taken to get where it is - and it needed Geneva convention level negotiations to get there. El Mero Mero fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Sydin posted:$5B to extend BART to downtown San Jose but it's from the East Bay side for some loving reason so it's still gonna take like an hour and a half to commute to downtown SF lol. I was really excited to be able to Bart all the way up and back to Raider games.....
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We used to take Amtrak from Santa Clara to Oakland Coliseum for games. At least there are bathrooms and beers (sometimes smuggled) on board. Coming back the schedule sucked, though, because of course.
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Craptacular! posted:Despite what articles at the time say, count me as very skeptical that what was built as a single-deck suspension bridge can be modified to handle trains going on and off. They made the bridge a pedestrian bridge closed to cars on it's 50th anniversary in the 70s and so many people crowded onto it that the span actually began to sag. You're not going to put trains full of people on there. C'mon.
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Zachack posted:I'm doing finger math but BART cars are 15-20k pounds, or about 4-5 regular cars (avg 4k each), and about 4-5 times as long as a passenger car, so ultimately if you just replaced the zipper lane with a bart line it would probably be on balance less of a load. Adding to underneath obviously adds weight, but presumably the line would be timed to only have one set of rails (ie no passing). When compared to people crowding on a bridge, people can pack themselves in a lot more densely than cars, so they probably weighed more than a BART line would and are sustained load vs short-term loads. that anniversary celebration had an estimated 300k people on the bridge, which deflected its middle ~7 feet trains would be absolutely fine
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Just like your mom lol
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CPColin posted:Just like your mom lol
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Arsenic Lupin posted:https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1346209249312055297 This is so loving disheartening. Things just keep getting worse when they absolutely do not have to.
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a full bart traincar, like shoulder to shoulder clowncar full, weighs less than a single fully-load 18-wheeler and is the same lengthCPColin posted:Just like your mom lol drat
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SlimGoodbody posted:This is so loving disheartening. Things just keep getting worse when they absolutely do not have to. commie fornia, the corporate paradise which legalized slavery again
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:commie fornia, the corporate paradise which legalized slavery again Again? The state would have burned down years ago if not for its 14th amendment fire department lol
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Centrist Committee posted:Again? The state would have burned down years ago if not for its 14th amendment fire department lol Yeah I guess I forget about that every time there aren't prison fire guys sleeping in my backyard and I realize I'm literally witnessing slavery in action .
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CPColin posted:Just like your mom lol
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rob a bank(s) double the number of caltrains then paint BART logos on them make them extra loud so fancy peninsula aristocrats can hear them coming from 69 miles away, thus increasing pedestrian safety bing bong now you got BART down the peninsula
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Marin is probably the absolute worst bay suburb in terms of “I want all of the amenities of living in a major metro area, but also never want to see a building taller than three stories” types. There’s stiff competition though. I was at a neighborhood comment meeting once where people objected to allowing a few mixed retail apartments in a downtown strip area dominated by auto shops because “it would compromise the rural feel”, motherfucker you live 25mins from BART.
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CPColin posted:Just like your mom lol Aw man, I wanted to make a sustained load vs short-term load mom joke. This will have to do.
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