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FrancisFukyomama posted:isn’t lee a pretty savvy politician, being way too online aside? like he’s got a ton of legislation put through a gop run legislature
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if lee running for governor doesn't cost him his seat if/when he gets owned in the primary, I'm all for it. if he has to give up his seat to run though idk, but also I don't have a say in it
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slicing up eyeballs posted:if lee running for governor doesn't cost him his seat if/when he gets owned in the primary, I'm all for it. if he has to give up his seat to run though idk, but also I don't have a say in it From an article about it he can keep his seat so all good there
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it’s okay, all beginner cointelpro trainees make mistakes Conor
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achillesforever6 posted:Oh my god he destroyed DSA M4A which totally didn't just keep humming after this and then at Convention gave a report about how they canvassed X amount of people which means it was successful. I don't even know what the point of the M4A working group is because it seems in retrospect it was just training people to get ready for the Bernie Campaign/IE. That and it came mostly from Philly DSA which is probably one of the most toxic hellspawns in our org. lmfao conor defenders. cool world
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/linencoat/status/1344446180894375937 Thank you for confirming that you don't actually need universal healthcare, and that the DSA is the youth recruitment arm of the Democrat Party. It's not like we ever wanted to fight for the needs of working people, or anything.
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lmao following up that post with defending arpwell. EXTREMELY GOOD poo poo
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Are any of the VA gubernatorial candidates besides Lee in favor of reducing money toward police and prisons? Are any of the VA gubernatorial candidates besides Lee in favor of stopping the Atlantic Coast pipeline and the Mountain Vally pipeline or fracking in general? Are any of the VA gubernatorial candidates besides Lee calling for ending right to work and giving public employees the ability to strike? I checked those with issues pages on all of their sites and couldn't find anything about any of those topics. I thought Lee was basically waiting for the other progressive candidates to actively support these policies in their campaigns and when they didn't, he stepped in. I have no problem with him running if it pushes the other candidates to speak to these issues. I also really want to see if the unions will actually put their support behind the candidate most willing to help out union causes the most.
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I AM A DEFENDER OF THE WORKING CLASS and the working class wants me to spend a bunch of money buying avatars for people i don't like on the internet how delightfully serendipitous
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a Loving Dog posted:lmfao conor defenders. cool world Very funny to me that he defended what the dude did when we're only talking about it because of the dude saying he was wrong to do it and apologizing
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Have we considered that he was secretly right to do it, and actually its the entire history of the working class that is wrong.
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PostNouveau posted:Also dubious claims to the idpol group he was claiming to represent IIRC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAfIoFZs5bw
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Taintrunner posted:Thank you for confirming that you don't actually need universal healthcare, and that the DSA is the youth recruitment arm of the Democrat Party. It's not like we ever wanted to fight for the needs of working people, or anything. it's telling that the ftv people treat "organizing" like a dirty word. i'm sure they mean well but they just aren't materialists
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Ferrinus posted:it's telling that the ftv people treat "organizing" like a dirty word the critique is that the dsa isn't actually organizing anything toward m4a, not that organizing is a bad thing, you know the difference shut the gently caress up
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when i went to my first dsa meeting everyone was like YEAH GOGOGO PUSH A M4A VOTE now the same loving people do a heel turn and say just wait a few more years the squad will figure it out and like, what now DSA? more squad members to not vote on things they said they would?
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Having a leading presidential primary candidate sounding the M4A alarm was a huge boon to m4a organizing and his loss means we no longer have that advantage If Bernie was president I think forcing a m4a vote would be a good tactic but his failure crushed a lot of possibilities and puts us back on a much slower, longer path
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CaptainJuan posted:Having a leading presidential primary candidate sounding the M4A alarm was a huge boon to m4a organizing and his loss means we no longer have that advantage then describe the slower, longer path and how that will be made more difficult by bringing m4a to a vote
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If we force the vote jimmy dore will become president of the usa and we will get nuked by everyone because he's an annoying cock
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achillesforever6 posted:It's not really the savvy move to run for governor right now since from what it sounds like there are two progressive black women candidates running (which having talked to VA DSA comrades at least one they would be fine helping if she sought endorsement). What also doesn't help is Lee is more connected with that weird Rose Caucus group than the DSA (his current partner ran the Joshua4Congress grifter). I hope people outside VA don't get all upset on VA chapters not endorsing him. Lee is savvy online and creating an image and has brought material good, but has alienated the chapters down there. like is part of the dsa entryism strategy to become even bigger simpering feckless losers than the democrats are?
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:god loving drat it I have overlooked and made excuses for a lot of dumb DSA poo poo in the past few months but if we campaign for jon loving ossoff in georgia only to leave carter to twist in the wind it will become impossible to justify belonging to this god damned org. jesus christ
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We'll become bigger losers than they could ever be and thus being outcompeted on the right and the center will have no choice but to go left to maintain relevancy.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:if we campaign for jon loving ossoff in georgia only to leave carter to twist in the wind it will become impossible to justify belonging to this god damned org. jesus christ
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yeah if the DSA doesn't endorse and campaign for Lee I'm out, are any of the Maoist orgs in the US not just CIA honeypots?
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:god loving drat it I have overlooked and made excuses for a lot of dumb DSA poo poo in the past few months but if we campaign for jon loving ossoff in georgia only to leave carter to twist in the wind it will become impossible to justify belonging to this god damned org. jesus christ
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Goast posted:disingenuous garbage lmao no, this is a constant refrain. we don't need organizing, we need accountability. the "institutional left" has failed and betrayed us. it's like when anarchists whine that disciplined socialist parties only serve to stifle the spontaneous self-activity of the working class, but anarchists at least THINK they're advancing the cause of revolution
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Ferrinus posted:no, this is a constant refrain. we don't need organizing, we need accountability. the "institutional left" has failed and betrayed us. it's like when anarchists whine that disciplined socialist parties only serve to stifle the spontaneous self-activity of the working class, but anarchists at least THINK they're advancing the cause of revolution lol at the absolute nonsense you have to come up with to justify not doing a m4a vote now regardless of the outcome like we all loving said we should for years
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we do need accountability and i was told we could do that by primarying lying politicians and replacing them with politicians who actually want m4a as a step for properly nationalized healthcare now the replacements have shown their rear end and the only excuses i hear are just wait now is not the time Goast has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Goast posted:lol at the absolute nonsense you have to come up with to justify not doing a m4a vote now regardless of the outcome like we all loving said we should for years i'm merely gesturing at the absolute nonsense i heard from the movement leaders themselves at their "town hall", in articles they wrote about their strategy, etc. it's liberal hearts-and-minds bullshit
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:god loving drat it I have overlooked and made excuses for a lot of dumb DSA poo poo in the past few months but if we campaign for jon loving ossoff in georgia only to leave carter to twist in the wind it will become impossible to justify belonging to this god damned org. jesus christ
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Epic High Five posted:yeah if the DSA doesn't endorse and campaign for Lee I'm out, are any of the Maoist orgs in the US not just CIA honeypots?
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just jump in the honey, folks. hop on in
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:every institution in the us is a cia honeypot at this point, including most of all the institution of marriage Except for the CIA which is a honeypot for BIG PHARMA and Nintendo
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im kind of stupid and would like explained to me why the national dsa seems to be advocating for a strategy of petitioning 6 hostile committees and requiring a majority of democratic representative to be m4a cosponsors to bring m4a to a vote now why doesnt the dsa advocate for single digit numbers of their candidates who their members poured blood sweat and tears into getting elected to form a caucus to be parliamentary assholes in the historically slim house majority to try to force a vote? the dsa could use as leverage the threat of using their resources to support someone else the dsa seems to think having a vote on m4a is important since they are advocating for it please let me know if im missing anything tia https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1346620453696266240 
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comedyblissoption posted:im kind of stupid and would like explained to me why the national dsa seems to be advocating for a strategy of petitioning 6 hostile committees and requiring a majority of democratic representative to be m4a cosponsors to bring m4a to a vote now Unfortunately when you engage in electoralism, you are subject to the parliamentary procedures involved. Ironically, getting a paygo (fake rule) exemption may have actually taken away that (disingenuous) excuse to keep it tied up in committee and off the full floor. Time will tell!
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bringing m4a to a floor vote has very little effect on its own and might actually allow hostile democrats to obscure their positions rather than force them to reveal their positions. also, dsa's influence over "its" electeds is fairly slim - the NYC DSA's help to her campaign was substantial, but not as substantial as that of the justice democrats or whatever. insofar as those candidates' leverage is limited it's not necessarily true that spending that leverage on a losing floor vote is better in the long run than spending it on committee appointments or something like the paygo thing, even though a floor vote would probably be nice to have if it were "free"
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generally i would rate publicity stunts and public gestures as "fine" but low priority when there's something material that could instead be won using the same resources. it actually is organizing, not "accountability" or "comms" or whatever, that allows the working class to exert force on the state
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sorry cant do it not enough political capital in the tank rn do the work and check again in 2022
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Epic High Five posted:yeah if the DSA doesn't endorse and campaign for Lee I'm out, are any of the Maoist orgs in the US not just CIA honeypots?
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