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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


BuckyDoneGun posted:

Regular Alphard seats are baller:


But the “Royal Lounge” option really kicks it up:


But my fav is the E51 Nissan Elgrand. It’s the Z/Infiniti G FM platform underneath with the VQ35 so it really is a driftvan.


Man, I've seen a few of those getting around town. Had no idea how baller they were inside.

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BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
In typical Japanese fashion there are cloth bench versions too, but why would you bother.

What the hell is the deal with JDM imports in Aust these days? I heard things were getting looser now you don’t have a domestic industry anymore?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

BuckyDoneGun posted:

In typical Japanese fashion there are cloth bench versions too, but why would you bother.

What the hell is the deal with JDM imports in Aust these days? I heard things were getting looser now you don’t have a domestic industry anymore?

Pretty much. Tony Abbott slammed the final nail into the local production coffin by the terms of his free trade agreement with Japan

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

âрø ÿþûþÑÂúø,
трø ÿþ трø ÿþûþÑÂúø
https://www.motor1.com/news/306589/buick-regal-mercedes-v12-engine-swap/


M275 Benz ttv12 g body swap.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Heh, that's awesome. Nice solution for the coil packs. They are prone to failure and utilize quite a rube goldberg system. $750 a bank to have repaired. They tend to crap out around 70K miles.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987
You really can shoehorn any engine into a G-body.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

I always wanted to do a 500ci caddy swap into one.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHHErfX9hI

The bit at 4:25

Oh it's stuck oh wel- WTF

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Memento posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwHHErfX9hI

The bit at 4:25

Oh it's stuck oh wel- WTF

I absolutely did not think he was going to make it over the suspended bar.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Safety Dance posted:

I absolutely did not think he was going to make it over the suspended bar.

It went all ED-209 for a second.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
DAY ONE


You can’t win a Dakar in the prologue but you can lose one. To make the prologue more interesting, for bikes and quads they quadrupled the time difference for the prologue. So if you finish the prologue a minute after someone, it counts as four minutes for the official time. This is dumb and also sort of makes sense. If prologue counts or doesn’t count at all then there’s little incentive to lead off the next day. It is *ALWAYS* better to be fifth or so than to be first so you don’t have to both navigate and race. By fifth, the four bikes in front of you have left enough tracks to follow that you can comfortably rely on them (a little...).

Ricky Brabec, AMERICAN HERO, won the prologue and opened the first day. He immediately showed why you don’t want to do that by loving up his navigation and losing a billion hours (~18 minutes and he’ll be struggling to win now) to KTM (Toby Price, Walkner and Sunderland who’ve all won before too).
https://mobile.twitter.com/dakar/status/1345670954668728323

Toby Price will have to lead out tomorrow and we’ll see if Brabec was unlucky or if the roadbook changes really are making a huge difference.




I don’t know how a rear tire is going to last two days in this. Hopefully the sand is a little easier on them.


Skyler Howes finished an easy 8th, five minutes back. He’s not a contender to win this year but if he does really well he can podium (a top ten on not-a-factory bike is pretty amazing).


If I were South African I would love Ross branch and not skyler Howes.
https://www.facebook.com/sadakargroup/posts/1384472761907394

And everyone back in the bivouac (these are the Malle moto guys, no mechanics or outside assistance although that’s a somewhat amorphous thing as they can get directions from mechanics on what to do and competitors can always help each other).
https://www.facebook.com/rally.pov/videos/403535387396849/

For example, if your car catches fire a truck will stop and pull you in. I don’t think the trucks are allowed to actually carry the bikes although to be honest I don’t know why that is - just that it doesn’t happen.


This Loeb character seems real fast.
https://mobile.twitter.com/dakar/status/1345655709439062018

But not as fast as Sainz and Peterhansel who finished 1-2.


An interesting thing happening this year (and last) is that Snapchat heat maps show you where the bivouac and the spectators are.
https://map.snapchat.com/@19.880732,42.651394,9.53z

Spectators are still real dumb.


Here’s the France 4 link. https://www.stream4free.live/france-4

And Red Bull’s. https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/dakar-rally

It’s so frustrating that the ASO only puts out little dribs and drabs of content. I still watch it. https://youtu.be/RFDJrmcTuV4

Tim and Tom Coronel also put out quality content.
https://youtu.be/0o31inaMDo4

This dude’s pictures are real good. I will continue to steal them (with attribution).
https://www.facebook.com/mila.janacek/photos























Stage two starts in just an hour and a half!

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Love LEGO for stuff like this. I did not know you could control LEGO stuff with a controller now, it's come a long way since I've messed with it much.

Thank you for the coverage

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
DAY TWO

With day one in the books we've already had a catastrophic navigation error that was blamed on GPS when, shockingly, everyone else's GPS is working fine. In cars, Mr. Dakar was a comfortable second with his teammate Carlos Sainz in first and over and a half minutes already in the books ahead of their competitors. In the trucks class Kamaz was top by eight minutes. loving Kamaz.

Here's a great look from one of the malle moto (no outside assistance) competitors. He's an Italian guy riding a pink beta and he stopped to eat polenta and gorgonzola. I love him. I also have to turn on subtitles and auto translate. Look at the rocks at 4m and his bike at 5m28s. Honestly not that bad, I think, given what it went through. Then his tires at 6m after one day and it makes me wonder about what the top riders will do (non-pros can run more than six rear tires). Those knobbies don't look great.

Nani Roma is racing with a new team and a new car. It's very much a baptism by fire for the two-time winner (once in bikes once in cars) but with that kind of setup he will need a tremendous amount of luck to challenge. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=149396623428356

Now, on to stage two.



Stage two is the first day of big dunes.


These always have some fun video clips of folks going up with real purpose and then coming back down unintentionally. Toby Price has to break ground today and the big question is how much more difficult the navigation this year is than last with only getting roadbooks fifteen minutes ahead of time.
https://play.snapchat.com/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYoDSuHidzZGNLAXbL9M8AAXbL9M5TAO1OAA

How'd it go for Price? Not great bob, not great.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2749879691927257

He finished a whopping thirty two minutes behind the honda boys, JBB and Brabec. JBB, bam bam, or Joan Barreda Bort is a rider who is very fast. He also complains a lot, crashes a lot and has never won. He is not my favorite. I think this is probably his last year as one of the Honda riders supported to win. He is very fast though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZUKEF3DoH0

Unlike KTM where everyone is fast and expected to have a chance to win, Honda has a much more hierarchical team where one or two guys are the ones who will win and everyone else supports them. Brabec hated it when he wasn't the fast guy and had to essentially win in spite of Honda. It's interesting that he's gotten a lot quieter about things since he became the #1. Anyway, JBB is in first but he's going to crash and then complain about it at some point so the really incredible news on day two is that Brabec, who had lost EIGHTEEN MINUTES, pulled back a ton of time and is now six minutes behind JBB in second. It's ridiculous and I'm very curious to see what happens tomorrow. Everyone's favorite riders, the frenchmen de Soultrait and AVB are in fifth and sixth. They're almost certainly going to crash because they have two speeds: 150% and hospital bed.

But still, everyone loves Xavier de Soultrait!


Toby Price said he had issues with his rear fuel tank and had to conserve for the front but that seems like just an excuse to me when none of the other guys who managed to catch him out front pulled away at all.

But it could be worse. Matthias Walkner, one of KTM's fast guys had a problem. What's the problem? Something about the clutch? Uh, try turning it on and off again? He's now 2 hours 26 minutes back. So at least he finished the stage but I expect he'll now be a tactical piece on the chessboard for KTM rather than a competitor for the finish.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346007961160744960

And Andrew Short, who'd just moved from Husqvarna to Yamaha, is out. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJoIhMNB2za/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link.

Andrew Short's instagram posted:

Day two of @dakarrally started off great but after re-fuel I had what I think was a fuel related issue. I tried everything I had on the bike to get the bike moving again but in the end couldn’t get it going again. So sad to be out of the race but I know this is racing and especially Dakar. This event is really special and you work all year for this event. I really enjoyed how difficult and challenging the navigation was this year so far. I want to thank the team for all the hard work as they live for this race with the same passion as me. Thank you everything for the support and I can’t wait for next year. @monsterenergy

KTM and Yamaha with mechanical problems? This is a ridiculous reversal from years past where Hondas caught fire or blew their engines with regularity. Mostly caught fire.

The best strategy for dunes is just jump them like you're riding a MX bike. this is not the best strategy



Skyler Howes is up to 8th. Fingers crossed, still, for a podium finish for him.




The kalahari ferrari is in third. I'll be curious to see if he podiums. Be nice for yamaha to get a podium and they have two guys who can do it in AVB and Ross Branch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seRgbGvYFXM

Falling hard enough to inflate your air bag and then pushing the bike through the dunes. Don't worry, I'm sure it gets easier.


In the cars, Peterhansel manages a six minute lead over his teammate Carlos Sainz. You're going to read a lot about them being in the lead until something strange happens. It's interesting to see how not having to break tracks changes the calculus between the cars and the bikes. For the bikes there's always been a real desire not to win a stage (or to do so strategically) because if you're out front you're always slower. This year you're a LOT slower than in years past but it's always been better to follow someone else's tracks. For the cars, all the fast bikes have already gone so they're never breaking their own trail (although Peterhansel won it five times on a bike so of all the competitors he'd probably be best at it) and there's much more incentive to get a lead and try to maintain it. If you can win a stage, win it!

Nasser Al Attiyah with his 4wd toyota is in third, nine minutes back.


The minis are 350hp turbo charged 6cylinder diesel engines. That's all great but the big difference between them and the toyota is that they are 2wd. This helps them save on weight (and iirc they also get more suspension travel in the rules). The toyota is a v8 with 385 hp and 620nm of torque but really the difference is that it's four wheel drive. I will be very surprised if it's not one of Sainz, Peterhansel and Nasser that win it but we'll see. There's still plenty of time to make mistakes and ruin everything.

You thought the bike guys were tough? Imagine doing the whole rally... in a skoda! 1m50 in is great. "Yes, some direction. No not that one. No, not that one either." And a camel spotting at 6m46s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ISHfb1p73g

Sir, please turn around. I am a tree. "Negative. We are a truck."
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJmEH39hrxU/

Don't worry, that'll buff out. Yes, I plan on making that joke a bunch more times.


Some great pictures from this guy.




A nice video of Loeb too.
https://www.facebook.com/100001420118449/videos/a.3736317199758914/3739961022727865

Everyone get hype for trucks.
https://www.facebook.com/100001420118449/videos/a.3736317199758914/3740207156036585

Where Kamaz is 17 minutes in front now. Quelle Surprise!


It's beautiful.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1346005416480747520

builds character fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jan 4, 2021

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



gently caress yes.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

Dakar updates are awesome keep em coming.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
I'm glad folks like the dakar stuff. I'm trying to include some more car content but so far it's been a little sparse as most of the stuff I follow is related to bikes. Hopefully that will change a bit as the rally goes on. Or you'll all be converted to also loving bikes. Either way.

A little more day two bonus coverage.

Demolition Derby!
https://streamable.com/kpm1b7

David Knight was apparently a very good enduro rider from Britain. He’s got a series. I know I’ve complained about it but fuuuuck, ASO why? Every year someone gets to do some recording and they’re always limited to ten minutes or less a day. You never see more than ten minutes of footage from a competitor for a day because ASO is bad at managing their media.
https://youtu.be/9NFeF1aDR1c

Listen to Andrew Short speak professionally about ending his rally on day two instead of screaming swear words for an hour.
https://www.cyclenews.com/2021/01/article/2021-dakar-rally-daily-podcast/

I know I keep talking about opening tracks and I think this is one of the best examples of why that matters that I've seen. Seriously, look at that.


It's so much easier than, for example, this.


Of course, easier and easy ain't the same.


Already the "snowball" has started rolling.


That's what the avalanche of time and energy expenditure is often referred to. Like a snowball rolling downhill it all starts small with waking up at 4 AM and riding/driving all day in tough conditions. And then it just gets worse until eventually the real race is between your body's ability to go on and the end of the race. Here's a kamaz that didn't make it.


The classic car class is great.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346207276076564481


And something different: a day in the life of one of the folks who goes and sets up the bivouac.






Is that... gorgonzola?



Walkner's clutch plates went bad and that's why he was stuck. Someone came along and gave him one and later was repaid with... twelve redbulls. There are stories of things like this happening and if the rider who helps a factory competitor can't continue KTM will pay for them to come back next year. Kind of cool but imagine having to make that decision? You've trained for at least a year or two, spent 100k on the race and you have to decide to give one of the pro's your ECU or piston or whatever it might be on the chance their HQ will pay for you to come back next year?




Yes, trucks.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346199728598482944

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Cool man, thanks for the updates!

The trucks are rad :)

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
DAY THREE

But first, a day two throwback. Holy loving kamaz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnurG6gFzo

McDonald's Racing Team Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFkOZZcpve4

Sir David Knight, General Lee Lover and Confederate Flag Apologist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NFeF1aDR1c

Nice shot here. Good job not getting crushed by the truck.



Alright, on to day three. One of the big stories of the first two days has been how opening has changed things for the bikes. Interestingly, as you saw before in this post, the ASO was still posting where the WPs were on the map on their website/app and so if you were clever you could map out where the stage was going to be like this.


Of course, this isn't enough to help the bikes who get the roadbook and see things getting posted 15 minutes before starting. Buuuuuut, that's certainly enough time for the cars. And as there's more money in the cars there's more ability and incentive to put that kind of information to good use. Plus you can make your navigator remember what the mapman says while you focus on being first. Enter the ASO. From their website.


This is all the waypoints and checkpoints right on top of each other so you can't figure out exactly where they are and tell the navigator and gain an advantage. Is this a big deal? Probably not, but I think it's cool to see this kind of response happening live.

After losing eighteen minutes, the honda team regained all their time and then some and had to open the way on day three and ok that's enough

:siren:SKYLER HOWES IS IN FIRST!:siren:



He managed to finish the stage only six minutes behind Toby Price and that brings him top of the standings. He might be fast enough to win it all. He started 11th and Price started 29th and (are you ready for math?) JBB and Brabec finished 24 and 21 minutes back respectively. Which means that Howes basically made about six spots (three minutes/spot at the sharp end) which brought him up to the person in 5th overall and that seems to be about where the navigation really slows folks down. Price managed two more spots basically which, let's not kid ourselves, is crazy fast. And Price is certainly one of the fastest riders out there, if not the fastest. Now it's just a question of how the rest of the race goes. Howes finished fourth, but he'll have Price, Benavided and Walkner opening before him and Walkner at least is fantastic at navigation. The year he won it was thanks in no small part to a bunch of dudes taking a wrong turn up a wash and him getting it right (so many fast guys got that wrong that ASO flew a helicopter in to stop them and turn them around which at the time was a big scandal because you're only supposed to do that for safety reasons but nobody really cared because they'd all lost so much time). Anyway, watch this space for more on how Skyler Howes is good at racing and a nice dude and you should root for him. He works tech support for fasst company and is a privateer and is currently leading Dakar and I cannot overstate how ridiculous that is.


OK, now that I have that out of my system, it's interesting that we again saw that leading out meant you lost between 20 and 30 minutes. I wonder if we'll see a bit more strategy here and if it's the big dunes or the navigation that's doing it. Price pulled 21 minutes back on Brabec and 24 on JBB (who, again, is just going to crash so I'm not taking his title chances seriously) and now is only two minutes down in the overall just behind... wait a minute BY GOD


No, no wait. Wrong Soultrait gif. There's my man. In second! I will laugh so hard if he moves from Yamaha to Husqvarna and promptly manages to finish (and win).
https://fb.watch/2QflsWEIts/

Tomorrow I expect Price will lead out slowly, Benavides (Honda) will catch him and then Walkner will catch both of them and Price and Walkner will then go as fast as they can but we'll see. It'll certainly be interesting as Brabec is only 12 minutes back (so 10 back from TP).

Toby Price posted:

"Stage 3 win! It’s like a yo-yo effect at the moment, it’s quite frustrating to be at the front then right at the back, the navigation side of things makes it difficult to lead a stage out and I have to do it again tomorrow but hopefully I might catch a break and it isn’t too hard! Still a long way to go but to have no crashes and have the bike in one piece at the finish today is great!"

He's not wrong. Some of the terrain was... difficult.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346336882276364288

If you crash, you definitely break something. If you're lucky it's on the bike. I need to find footage of the trucks going through here.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346327261885161472

Fortunately, Price has two helmets. Speedy is for Paolo "Speedy" Goncalves who died last year. Tony Rice is because in an Australian race the loudspeakers were poo poo and everyone thought his name was Tony Rice, not Toby Price.


I cannot overstate how fast the top riders are. It's absurd. Also how big those dunes are.
https://www.facebook.com/b3aa8d7f-9237-45ed-a557-946dd5b3d0df

You can tell this dude at 13s in isn't french because he does a little wave at the camera instead of a sweet wheelie.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346384491141619712

OK, remember how I said that it was a big scandal when ASO helicoptered in and told the fast riders they were heading the wrong way? Apparently less of an issue if you sneak in wearing a hoodie and help slow riders.That's supposedly the head of race direction. Although, to be fair, the ASO often relaxes rules quite a bit for anyone not contending to win. Things like no outside assistance on course will get you in a ton of trouble if you stash gas cans in some dude's house halfway through if you're fast (unless you're french, Mr. Peterhansel) but if you're slow nobody cares if some dude gives you gas.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJqLtbdDmKJ/

Usually, AVB does a wheelie for the chopper. Because he's french. Here, he opts for the slightly less showy but still stylish "lol you can't even keep up with me."
https://twitter.com/A_Vanbeveren/status/1346036429483339779

In cars, Nasser finished first in the stage, making up four minutes on Peterhansel and 31 minutes on Sainz.


This puts him solidly in second five minutes down on Peterhansel with Sainz now in fourth 33 minutes back.


Mr. Dakar even stopped to change a tire. Very sporting of him.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJqPdlRjWzH/

This is less sporting of him but who can he blame for being so fast?


Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


Sainz apparently had a problem with a waypoint, so we're still not seeing the same thing with bikes where it's a huge swing back and forth to start out. Bad news for him as that means it will be difficult to make up those thirty minutes but not impossible as problems on the cars tend to last a lot longer than on bikes. On a bike you're either changing the engine on stage or you just had an off and hop back on and ride. In a car it seems to be the case that there's a lot more 10-45 minute problems.
https://twitter.com/CSainz_oficial/status/1346455614948597762/photo/1


Goddamn, look at Nasser's 4wd toyota starting.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJqgYiDhYVy/

It's not half bad bad once it gets going either.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJqhsA2BvHA/

At least they have their sense of humor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQV5eQ2lp4

ten Brinke had the first big crash of the rally today. Car ended up getting towed to tarmac and then being able (I think) to continue on its own power to the bivouac.
https://twitter.com/b_tenbrinke/status/1346479535252934656


Even the ASO is crashing today.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJqkmJHgjOh/

It's fine. Please continue on your way. I will simply wait here, in the desert, to die.


That motor sounds... high strung.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=407872420320652

Anyone speak Czech? Pretty sure there's something about doing donuts in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJEdU3lyFBY

How does a truck even go through here?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZTgynPGT8


One of the things that's really great about the current crop of fast riders is that they're all friends.


You can't ever stop...


Because Dakar's apex predator is always waiting.


This is just a cool shot.




Just loft the front in one smooth motion.






That's too much loft.


Juuuust right.




All we are is dust in the wind dude.
https://twitter.com/RTLGP/status/1346413725096538113

https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sport/gp/artikel/5206805/van-den-heuvel-uit-dakar-rally-na-koprol-de-truck-total-loss

what a misery posted:

We had just started the race and we saw Martin van den Brink driving in the distance. So of course we went after that ... We took a dune a little too far to the right and arrived at a point. Then we were launched about 20 meters!

We landed on our noses and went over. Then another Jeep crashed on the back of us. What a misery.

Anyone speak russian?
https://twitter.com/KAMAZmasterTEAM/status/1346414942795292672

In trucks, Viazovich driving for not-Kamaz took first, biting a massive 18 second chunk out of Kamaz's 17 minute lead.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJphrjTBIpR/



Yes, it's from yesterday but it's still six minutes of trucks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pht2kaDRibo

Same for the classic cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVT64L0IKWU

Top moments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGW7Ntc7KZ0

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Despite being not-Dakar, I thought this was neat. It came up in my suggested videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNmRIPCdLY

That little V(r)-10 sounds good.

edit:
Connaught is working on a supercar that uses two of the VR-10s on their sides geared together, not running, but looks interesting. Among other things the parent company (Bevan Davidson International, who also owns Villiers, among others) is doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qol00lVzk1Q

Darchangel fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 5, 2021

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Your posts are providing me with desktop backgrounds for the year. These shots are amazing.

Valt
May 14, 2006

Oh HELL yeah.
Ultra Carp

Darchangel posted:

Despite being not-Dakar, I thought this was neat. It came up in my suggested videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bNmRIPCdLY

That little V(r)-10 sounds good.

edit:
Connaught is working on a supercar that uses two of the VR-10s on their sides geared together, not running, but looks interesting. Among other things the parent company (Bevan Davidson International, who also owns Villiers, among others) is doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qol00lVzk1Q

That channel is the worst.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Valt posted:

That channel is the worst.

How so? I’ve only watched a couple videos. Wasn’t Drive Tribe founded by the former Top Gear guys?

eggyolk
Nov 8, 2007


How do those Dakar photographers get out onto the route? Do they just stay in the general area until the waypoints drop then scramble ahead in their own vehicles?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

eggyolk posted:

How do those Dakar photographers get out onto the route? Do they just stay in the general area until the waypoints drop then scramble ahead in their own vehicles?

Depends. The guys that work directly for photo/stock agencies and race teams get rides or are probably dropped off by a helicopter, and the freelancers are on their own camping out at spots they think will work well or hiring someone to drive them around if they can afford it.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

IDK much about old diesel engines, but I found a WWII training film that shows diesel tank engines being started with a shotgun shell, or as the film calls it, a "cartridge start."

Anyone else heard of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA-_23PnLu8&t=648s

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

PeterCat posted:

IDK much about old diesel engines, but I found a WWII training film that shows diesel tank engines being started with a shotgun shell, or as the film calls it, a "cartridge start."

Anyone else heard of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA-_23PnLu8&t=648s

Of course. This is also a thing for piston airplane engines.

It's really interesting stuff, but you need to remember that an engine is just a big air pump and getting it running on fuel requires it to me moving fast enough under the right conditions. You can do that (maybe) with a hand crank, pull cord, with someone whaling on a propeller, an electric starter motor or.......blowing a bunch of rapidly expanding solids that just turned into mostly gaseous form.

Or in the case of newer large planes the output of a smaller motor that was easier to start on an electric starter.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Motronic posted:

Of course. This is also a thing for piston airplane engines.

It’s a thing for turbine engines too.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

Neat, but I'd hate to run out of starter cartridges in a combat zone.

Previa_fun
Nov 10, 2004

MrYenko posted:

It’s a thing for turbine engines too.

yeah and it owns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOCl1ufjlE

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

PeterCat posted:

Neat, but I'd hate to run out of starter cartridges in a combat zone.

For turbine engines specifically, they’re for sitting alert. You can always use a start cart if you don’t have any cartridges, or it isn’t a scramble situation.

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005

PeterCat posted:

Neat, but I'd hate to run out of starter cartridges in a combat zone.


Indeed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwYzAF9bZLI

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Also a thing in old tractors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEurohAwrmA

Arishtat
Jan 2, 2011

Cartridge start was pretty common on large gas engines at the time. An alternate method was to store and use compressed air to get the engine turning over.

Yes most tanks in the 1930s and 1940s were powered by gasoline. Only the Soviets fielded large numbers of diesel powered tanks during the war. The allied nations rapidly migrated to diesel power for postwar tanks as vehicle size and weight increased due to the need for better armor protection and overland performance.

Here’s the procedure for cold starting an M4 Sherman tank from World War Two: http://www.8th-armored.org/misc/36-start.htm

azflyboy
Nov 9, 2005
Radial engines (especially in the late 1930's/early 40's) often used flywheel starters, since a direct drive starter would have been too large with the electric motors of the time, but a smaller motor could easily spin up a flywheel that could then use reduction gears to turn over the engine enough to start.

Flywheel systems also have the advantage of being able to operate via a hand crank, so quite a few WW2 era trainers were originally designed with a hand cranked flywheel starter that was subsequently replaced with an electric one.

Another fun fact with radial engines is that a number of them were designed to intentionally inject fuel into the oil sump before the engine was shut down, which helped thin the oil to make the engine easier to start again in cold weather.

The advent of multi-viscocity oil for aircraft engines has essentially made the practice of oil dilution obsolete, but it still shows up on some Beavers and Otters operating in northern Canada.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


Neat! But now I feel like I've seen the best part of the movie.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Arishtat posted:

Cartridge start was pretty common on large gas engines at the time. An alternate method was to store and use compressed air to get the engine turning over.

Yes most tanks in the 1930s and 1940s were powered by gasoline. Only the Soviets fielded large numbers of diesel powered tanks during the war. The allied nations rapidly migrated to diesel power for postwar tanks as vehicle size and weight increased due to the need for better armor protection and overland performance.

Here’s the procedure for cold starting an M4 Sherman tank from World War Two: http://www.8th-armored.org/misc/36-start.htm

A significant drawback of diesels in military vehicles was the smoke they produced. Noise was one thing - it would echo around and announce your general presence, but a plume of black exhaust smoke would pin down your exact position pretty accurately.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

azflyboy posted:

Radial engines (especially in the late 1930's/early 40's) often used flywheel starters, since a direct drive starter would have been too large with the electric motors of the time, but a smaller motor could easily spin up a flywheel that could then use reduction gears to turn over the engine enough to start.

Flywheel systems also have the advantage of being able to operate via a hand crank, so quite a few WW2 era trainers were originally designed with a hand cranked flywheel starter that was subsequently replaced with an electric one.

They’re also called inertia starters, and they loving rule.

https://youtu.be/3zXkVQnVmuo

Also, an inertia starter was the basis of the hyperdrive failure noises for the Millennium Falcon.

:eng101:

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


MrYenko posted:

Also, an inertia starter was the basis of the hyperdrive failure noises for the Millennium Falcon.

gently caress, that's where that noise comes from? Awesome.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

They’re so closely related in my head that I started thinking he was going to have to try again before the plane started :q:

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Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.
DAY FOUR


Everyone ready for another day?
https://www.facebook.com/1354802210/videos/10225186556155049/
https://www.facebook.com/1354802210/videos/10225186552594960/
https://www.facebook.com/1354802210/videos/10225186585995795/

Today was expected to be fast, so let's see how the racers do. Will we get the same ridiculous pendulum swing between Brabec and Price? Will the flying frenchman de Soultrait stay in the top five? Will our erstwhile hero, Skyler Howes maintain his position at the front? Stay tuned to... right.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346731483994746880?s=21

So far the big question of the rally has been how leading out plays with navigation. Usually fast stages (and this one was fast) mean the navigation is easier.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346746975727874048

With an average speed of 125kph (77.7mph) for Sam Sunderland, they were blazing.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1356518268028483

And sure enough, it was interesting to see that leading out was still a significant negative but nothing like the thirty minutes of days past. JBB started in thirtieth and finished the day in first on the stage. What's interesting is that some kind of navigation trap caught some of the other riders, including Ricky Brabec. So Brabec, despite starting 25th, was thirteen minutes back and only made up two minutes on Price and lost a couple minutes to Sunderland. Skyler Howes finished 13 minutes back which means he probably got stuck in the same navigation trap that Price and Brabec did. At least he's in good company. I'll see if I can't dig up what exactly happened with the navigation. Toby Price's summary leaves something to be desired.

Toby Price posted:

Today was a little easier than last few days, normally we ride in quite a large group of riders but today Kevin & I led out a little bit. I made some mistakes, 22nd in Stage and 8th Overall, but the tyre & Bike are great so I’m still happy.



Ricky Brabec's face says it all. His words, a little less illuminating.

Rick Brabec posted:

Somebody had to do it, after a few hard thoughts yesterday, last night, this morning, we decided to sit back today to get on one end of this teeter-totter.


e: Skyler Howes says there was a navigation issue where they got tricked in a wash.

Skyler Howes FB posted:

The stage started out great for me, I had a pretty good rhythm going and caught up to @matthias_walkner we second guessed the navigation in a wash and did some circles losing quite a bit of time. After that we dropped the hammer and tried to make up for lost time. I had another mishap in the dunes catching a witches eye and going over the bars. But after that Matthias, @xavierdesoultrait and I went full gas all the way to the finish.
Bit of an up and down day but the overall isn’t looking bad with plenty of racing left!

That puts Price in 8th overall, 7m47s back, Brabec in 15th, 16m21s back (ow), Skyler Howes in fifth, 5m26s back and... is it? Yes, yes it is. It's 100% fresh and not-played out meme, WHEELIE WEDNESDAY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFMqt0_pG4

With who else but Xavier de Soultrait in first overall by fifteen seconds! (sorry AVB, miss u)


In other cliche news, don't be sad that Skyler Howes's reign at the top is over. Be happy that it happened.


Ten years ago he was towing a blown out motorcycle (and driving this amazing car which he should definitely bring to dakar classics next year).


Now, in fifth he's still in great shape for a podium finish with a decent shot at the win.



Let's take a second to talk about another reason it's better to have someone else in front. It's not just easier to follow tracks, but if you can actually see the person in front of you then you can look at them to see what's happening with the terrain. If you see them slam on the brakes and then disappear you know there's a big hole and they're dead. If they hit the brakes but it's a little bump then you can WOT around or over it. That kind of thing adds up over miles and makes it a real advantage to be following. Of course, once you pass them then they have exactly the same advantage. But look at this, for example. It's the little things like being able to cut this corner for a half second gain. Even if that racer doesn't complete the pass, he's been significantly helped in making up those three minutes (remember, they start three minutes apart).
https://play.snapchat.com/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYuFuNKihSVFv2AXbXEH3RAXbXEH0rAO1OAA
https://play.snapchat.com/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYYu3uvj7YaLwiAXbXEHzOAXbXEHvlAO1OAA

In tragic news, McDonald's Racing Team is out with a broken arm. But there's a new contender for forum favorite: Juan "Juanito Pistolas" Pablo Guillen R and team coca cola. Great nickname, great sponsor for sitting on your couch looking at pictures of racing while nursing your second 2L of the day.


In the car category, Nasser lead out and managed to scrape out a win over Peterhansel by an AMAZING eleven seconds. That keeps Peterhansel in the lead in the cars category by five minutes. Carlos Sainz did a little less well and has gone from 33 minutes back to 36 minutes back. I have no doubt he will "not" blame this on his navigator.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJtag_wBC0v/

FOUR WHEEL DRIVE DRIFT
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJtDOPQhWHP/

I don't know if you knew this but seriously, Nasser is really good at driving.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJsNUFbhS_a/

Let's see what the other contenders have to say...

Mr Dakar posted:

The stage was very quick today. Unfortunately, we made a minor mistake with the navigation and lost about 30 seconds. We were flat-out today and could not have gone much quicker.


Carlos Sainz posted:

The stage was ok, but navigation was not easy. We had problems in a few places.
Oh, ok.

In the trucks category, stop me if you've heard this before, but loving kamaz. Sotnikov took the stage and his lead in the overall is now at 26 minutes ahead of Martin Macik in an Iveco truck and fellow Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds driver Anton Shibalov.

"Yes, I will tell you the secret is I drive the truck much faster than everyone else."


This is actually a really good video and subtitles and auto-translate make for some real magic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkXDemj1uY

It's no truck, but I still love it.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJtWh3QI9VD/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Onboard video from stage two where a truck rolled and then another car crashed into them. It's super dangerous to be on the far side of the dunes for exactly this reason - there's no visibility, and almost all the vehicle-on vehicle accidents are either someone being real dumb or this.
https://streamable.com/2uypfi

Team Dutch Firemen's truck rolled. Sadly they're out.



How does it not just slide back down? You can see the footprints from a person tried to climb the dune and was like "nah, gently caress this."


Can I get a hand? No? OK, cool.


Sebastien Loeb, very fast WRC driver and new-car tester is only 53 minutes back with a real chance to win (if literally everyone else's car catches fire)!


Serradori is a spot ahead in sixth, but he's french so he gets a chopper.


Sadly, cars do sometimes catch fire.


I can't imagine how frustrating this is. Driving a car when you could be driving a truck.


Nothing can stop truck.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346756526925635590


e2: bonus porsche content.
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1346547016436838400

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