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Glad to see this thread already going strong.
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Packo!
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Jan 6, 2021 08:58
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Jan 6, 2021 09:05
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Quackles posted:Pocky? "The official snack of the Imperial Japanese Navy!" ...probably.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:16
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The IJN was known for introducing recruits to (relatively, compared to hinterland areas) good food, I don't think those would qualify.
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Jan 7, 2021 03:03
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hey, any ol wheat will do for preventing beriberi
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Jan 7, 2021 03:06
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That's wheat, not compressed sawdust and chocolate colored used industrial grease.
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Jan 7, 2021 03:13
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SIGSEGV posted:The IJN was known for introducing recruits to (relatively, compared to hinterland areas) good food, I don't think those would qualify. Since white rice was more prestigious than brown rice, a bunch of IJN sailors ended up with malnutrition.
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Jan 7, 2021 03:39
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The Lone Badger posted:Since white rice was more prestigious than brown rice, a bunch of IJN sailors ended up with malnutrition. Also the way IJN traditionally handled provisions. Polished white rice, which as you said was seen as prestigious, urban, and sophisticated, was offered in unlimited quantity as a benefit of service. All other foods, like meats and veggies were stocked, but sailors had to purchase them out of pocket. This predictably led to a bunch of sailors trying to save more of their wages by subsiding entirely on white rice and water.
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Jan 7, 2021 03:50
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It's amazing how many societies discovered ways to starve with the larder full.
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Jan 7, 2021 04:21
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Jan 7, 2021 04:41
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I dont know posted:Also the way IJN traditionally handled provisions. Polished white rice, which as you said was seen as prestigious, urban, and sophisticated, was offered in unlimited quantity as a benefit of service. All other foods, like meats and veggies were stocked, but sailors had to purchase them out of pocket. This predictably led to a bunch of sailors trying to save more of their wages by subsiding entirely on white rice and water. Like... they knew about scurvy, right?
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Jan 7, 2021 12:04
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RabidWeasel posted:Like... they knew about scurvy, right? The IJN figured out the rice issue around the 1880s and fixed it. However the IJN and the IJA hated each other, so the army kept getting beriberi for a while yet.
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Jan 7, 2021 12:12
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RabidWeasel posted:Like... they knew about scurvy, right? You need very little vitamin C to recover from early symptoms of scurvy. Like, a couple oranges' worth over two weeks. Or a couple tablets. Beriberi was much less understood (in fact, it's that whole IJN specialty that led to understanding its root cause)
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Jan 7, 2021 12:23
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SIGSEGV posted:That's wheat, not compressed sawdust and chocolate colored used industrial grease. This probably describes a lot of the most commons foods in Shadowrun. Well except the chocolate part; that's replaced with soycolate.
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Jan 7, 2021 17:02
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RabidWeasel posted:Like... they knew about scurvy, right? Actually scurvy has an interesting history, various people and organizations at various times figured out that fresh food was the cure and you have the lemon juice and so on. And then the RN decided that lemons were from Sicily and weak and non British and that proper lime juice (a quarter of the vitamin C content) from British India was much better and stored it in copper containers that also degraded the vitamin C content. So basically the entire scurvy protection was gone, but at that time journeys were short enough that sailors got to eat fresh food in port and didn't suffer from it. Oops. There's a lot of very funny things, in that meaning of funny, that happened to antarctic expeditions that I'm too lazy to find, like recovering from scurvy by hunting and eating meat, then canning it to ward off pathogens and infections and then getting scurvy because the canning reduced the vitamin C intake. The real cause of scurvy was only properly understood and verified in the 1920s-30s, I think.
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Jan 7, 2021 17:17
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The Lone Badger posted:The IJN figured out the rice issue around the 1880s and fixed it. However the IJN and the IJA hated each other, so the army kept getting beriberi for a while yet. Is there like a big old post or website I can read for funny examples of the IJN and IJA loving with each other? Also was it purely a prestige thing the reason they hated each other, or something else?
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Jan 7, 2021 20:46
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Josef bugman posted:Is there like a big old post or website I can read for funny examples of the IJN and IJA loving with each other? I think there were one or more effortposts about this in one of the old military history threads, but I don't know which one and they're all enormous. My favorite IJN/IJA fact is probably that the rivalry went so far that the IJA had their own ships and the IJN had their own infantry units. 
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Jan 7, 2021 21:08
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I think there were cases of the IJA deliberately conscripting (or trying to at least) dockworkers, shipyard workers, merchant marine and other people with similar expertise just so the IJN couldn't get them. And then there was the navy and the army trying as hard as they could to not share any equipment whatsoever, with engineers developing what was, say, basically the exact same plane for the navy and the army not being allowed to talk to each other. I'm not an expert on the topic though, that's just stuff I remember off the top of my head; it might not actually be true, but lol that it's still plausible.
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Jan 7, 2021 21:46
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Comrade Koba posted:I think there were one or more effortposts about this in one of the old military history threads, but I don't know which one and they're all enormous. I mean, the US Army operates ~500 ships and several hundred planes, until I think the end of the Cold War the US Navy required every ship to maintain a "permanently organized naval landing party" aka infantry and they still have hundreds of aircraft, the "US Air Force Security Forces" number like 40,000 soldiers and there are still a small number of ships operated by the USAF, and I'm sure the Marines and Coast Guard also have tons of stuff you wouldn't immediately associate with them Not to say that there isn't a rivalry between the branches, of course
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Jan 7, 2021 21:53
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Josef bugman posted:Also was it purely a prestige thing the reason they hated each other, or something else? Same dynamic as in Nazi Germany : the upper brass encouraged "healthy competition" and allocated resources; men and materials based half on glorious victories, half on politicking & nepotism, and a third half on kissing their arse to a mirror shine. Of course, this approach was also dictated by divide & conquer power dynamics : as long as the underlings are in a crab bucket, they're not plotting a coup. As a result the various branches of the armed forces kept backstabbing each other, not just out of the traditional spite that exists between military branches most everywhere, but also out of basic survival instinct. The most efficient aspect of this enforced darwinian genius at work probably has to awarded to the intelligence ops. Intelligence ops plural : in Germany and Japan alike, each armed branch had its own spies, counter-spies, codes and codebreakers ; and they didn't share *any info whatsoever* with the others unless directly ordered to (and even then shared the strictest minimum). You can guess how brilliantly that all worked out.
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Jan 8, 2021 00:15
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I'm surprised they weren't infiltrating each other with spies, honestly. Well, I'm assuming they weren't. That might be an incorrect assumption.
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Jan 8, 2021 00:41
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The guy who would eventually be imperial japan's naval commander-in-chief during WWII was reassigned from naval ministry on shore to a shipboard command earlier in his career partially to protect him from Army-backed assasination attempts
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Jan 8, 2021 01:24
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This is the best derail. Outside of the beriberi stuff, I didn't know any of this. This is why I love the Shadowrun threads It's funny, that this is taking place here. If it was in the Tyranny LP it would be completely on topic.
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Jan 8, 2021 01:46
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System Metternich posted:I mean, the US Army operates ~500 ships and several hundred planes, until I think the end of the Cold War the US Navy required every ship to maintain a "permanently organized naval landing party" aka infantry and they still have hundreds of aircraft, the "US Air Force Security Forces" number like 40,000 soldiers and there are still a small number of ships operated by the USAF, and I'm sure the Marines and Coast Guard also have tons of stuff you wouldn't immediately associate with them Yes, but AFAIK the reason the USAF Security Forces exist isn’t because some army generals told the AF chiefs of staff to gently caress off and die when asked for support. The IJA/IJN thing would be more like the US Navy suddenly refusing to let their ships be used to ferry the troops on D-Day, so the Army has to build the USS General Patton themselves if they want to get across the channel.
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Jan 8, 2021 09:19
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I'm surprised they weren't infiltrating each other with spies, honestly. Germany was less directly in-fighty about things, they "merely" mired everyone else in as much red tape, feet dragging, manufactured delays, hiding critical information, obstinate bullshit and so on as possible. I'm not aware of any *direct*, active sabotage. The Japanese OTOH routinely tried to have each other murdered. As you do when you're fighting an existential war, yanno. Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jan 8, 2021 |
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Jan 8, 2021 11:32
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Legit stoked to have 3 War In The Pacific threads going at the same time.
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Jan 8, 2021 16:27
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Broken Box posted:Legit stoked to have 3 War In The Pacific threads going at the same time. This isn’t a War in the Pacific thread.
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Jan 8, 2021 23:50
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HereticMIND posted:This isn’t a War in the Pacific thread. I almost posted this too, but where’s Hong Kong
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Jan 8, 2021 23:57
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Captain Foo posted:I almost posted this too, but There *was* no Hong Kong back in WW2, it was a British colony. (I'll see myself out)
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Jan 9, 2021 00:14
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HereticMIND posted:This isn’t a War in the Pacific thread. Go home, admiral Halsey, you’re drunk.
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Jan 9, 2021 00:38
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HereticMIND posted:This isn’t a War in the Pacific thread. 
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Jan 9, 2021 00:42
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Speaking of Hong Kong, Mel Odom wrote a 452-page novel version of this game with the dialogue taken directly from it and everything.  As an LPer I can kind of relate to this endeavor in a strange way, I wonder how similar his methods were to mine. I assume he was provided with a script or something.
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Jan 9, 2021 10:00
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Kanfy posted:Speaking of Hong Kong, Mel Odom wrote a 452-page novel version of this game with the dialogue taken directly from it and everything. How do the fight scenes read? "Hostile Corp Agent #2 was standing right in front of me, but I
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Jan 9, 2021 12:04
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"Well gently caress you!" I shouted as I threw the flashbang in his direction. It went wide, but distracted the corp agent sufficiently that he failed to notice the salamander escaping its cage.
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Jan 9, 2021 12:32
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Comrade Koba posted:How do the fight scenes read? Not quite that far, but it does kind of read like someone was actually playing through the game rather than going by a script. A lot of mentions of cover and details like Is0bel disabling the drones, the police barricade that was past the exit point and the sniper hits you take during the escape. They even pick up the Basic Medkit (though as just "first aid kit") from the bike behind the trio of smugglers. Here's the initial fight:  I'm not much of a book critic but it doesn't seem great or anything, just kind of interesting to see how this or that part from the game looks like in it if you've played it. It's available on Google Books and maybe elsewhere for a few euros for anyone curious, though obviously it spoils the whole game so let's not bring too much of it here. Kanfy fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 12:58
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Was this an official adaptation, a fan project, or something in between?
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Jan 9, 2021 13:12
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I dont know posted:Was this an official adaptation, a fan project, or something in between? An official novelization. One of the kickstarter tiers was to get your OC in the novel. edit: there... uh... there were eighty of those apparently. wow. Honestly impressed Odom could pull that off. And if you don't recognize the name he's a professional writer of tie in novels for videogames, TV shows, tabletop systems, stuff like that. Actually pretty good at what he does. Stroth fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Jan 9, 2021 13:21
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I dont know posted:Was this an official adaptation, a fan project, or something in between? It's official and was announced during the Kickstarter, the author had apparently written other Shadowrun books back in the 90s (Playing for Keeps, Headhunters & Run Hard, Die Fast) and overall has done quite a lot of stuff like this. Including seven novels for Sabrina, the Teenage Witch! I genuinely wish I had that kind of writing energy. Kanfy fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jan 9, 2021 |
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Which corp owns Tokyo Bay Fortress?HereticMIND posted:This isn’t a War in the Pacific thread. huge, if true
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