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Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

FistEnergy posted:

I don't care how high TSLA goes, it's a house of cards and a joke and if I put any money into it, it will immediately collapse as it should have 2 years ago

hah this is where I'm at too. I just try to ignore it.

I sold my holdings waaay back when TSLA bought SolarCity in what seemed to me to be an obvious attempt to bail out various Musk's family from a failing company. I think the price was $190? ugh.

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Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011

Now, Digital!

Oscar Wild posted:

Its trading in a wide range and I think its overvalued so I'm selling options on it through Jan.

Elaborate, please. Overvalued in general or in the context of the market as it is currently? I think Palantir is steadily acquiring high profile clients and the market demand for big data analysis is not going to leave anytime soon.

DoubleT2172
Sep 24, 2007

Femtosecond posted:

hah this is where I'm at too. I just try to ignore it.

I sold my holdings waaay back when TSLA bought SolarCity in what seemed to me to be an obvious attempt to bail out various Musk's family from a failing company. I think the price was $190? ugh.

Wasn't that $190 at the pre split level too? So $38 at the stock price adjusted to today

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

NNDM with extremely nice put selling premium on a very cheap but bullish stock, nearly 3% return on capital still and only a week left:

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"

AHH F/UGH posted:

NNDM with extremely nice put selling premium on a very cheap but bullish stock, nearly 3% return on capital still and only a week left:



I looked up the ticker and the news on it is a $50-$100 million direct offering every couple weeks peppered with crap about missing revenue estimates or something so of course it’s up 240% in 6 months.

Rip Testes
Jan 29, 2004

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.
Thinking about Musk's new status as richest man on Earth. Makes me think of how various youtube celebrities and associated fans will try and boost the subscribe count to see how high it can go. I feel like its a similar sort of thing now with Musk and maybe others. Lets see how rich we can make them. It's entertaining to see their wealth skyrocket.

LLCoolJD
Dec 8, 2007

Musk threatens the inorganic promotion of left-wing ideology that had been taking place on the platform

Block me for being an unironic DeSantis fan, too!
Bitcoin has a better chance at staying at its valuation than TSLA. But puts are so drat expensive.

That being said, I saw a silly complaint that Musk, as the world's richest man, isn't doing his part for combatting climate change. The guy has catapulted electric vehicles into the mainstream, for Pete's sake.

thats not candy
Mar 10, 2010

Hell Gem

LLCoolJD posted:

Bitcoin has a better chance at staying at its valuation than TSLA. But puts are so drat expensive.

That being said, I saw a silly complaint that Musk, as the world's richest man, isn't doing his part for combatting climate change. The guy has catapulted electric vehicles into the mainstream, for Pete's sake.

what's the source of the criticism? selling regulatory credits to the other car companies who continue to make v8 trucks and giant suvs?

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


any guesses if bitcoin drops back to the low 20K range? This year? Never?

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



thats not candy posted:

what's the source of the criticism? selling regulatory credits to the other car companies who continue to make v8 trucks and giant suvs?

BEVs aren't the answer anyway, when the total lifecycle is considered they're around a 30 to 40% reduction in greenhouse gasses as compared to an ICE vehicle. A gas motorcycle is still better in terms of overall emissions, but nothing trumps good public transport. But I think a man who takes a private jet everywhere to avoid driving in traffic probably isn't too worried about climate change.

*edit*
this should probably go in the BWM thread but

https://twitter.com/jasondebolt/status/1347290587729313793?s=20

MomJeans420 fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jan 7, 2021

sim
Sep 24, 2003

MomJeans420 posted:

BEVs aren't the answer anyway, when the total lifecycle is considered they're around a 30 to 40% reduction in greenhouse gasses as compared to an ICE vehicle. A gas motorcycle is still better in terms of overall emissions, but nothing trumps good public transport. But I think a man who takes a private jet everywhere to avoid driving in traffic probably isn't too worried about climate change.

Not to mention how the Boring Company is an attempt to completely undermine (no pun intended) existing public transit and replace it with more single occupancy vehicle routes.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

DoubleT2172 posted:

Wasn't that $190 at the pre split level too? So $38 at the stock price adjusted to today

Just had a look and I had 75 shares, so 375 shares @ $38. I sold at that price for $14,553 and I'm pretty sure I got a few thousand as a profit. If I had held until today I'd have... $306,000. lol.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Cyber Sandwich posted:

Elaborate, please. Overvalued in general or in the context of the market as it is currently? I think Palantir is steadily acquiring high profile clients and the market demand for big data analysis is not going to leave anytime soon.

$43bn market cap with revenue of $290 M and net income of ($853)M. I'm long term buy but I think it will go down to 15 as easily as it goes to 30. Ill buy more at $20, but I think fair value is $15 right now. The trading volume is massive, which to me means its being traded up rather being held.

Comparable to DOCU from a numbers perspective.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

thats not candy posted:

what's the source of the criticism? selling regulatory credits to the other car companies who continue to make v8 trucks and giant suvs?

Extremely online leftists

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

LLCoolJD posted:

That being said, I saw a silly complaint that Musk, as the world's richest man, isn't doing his part for combatting climate change. The guy has catapulted electric vehicles into the mainstream, for Pete's sake.

That's because people's tiny brains cannot separate "net worth" from "liquid assets". I know people with $1m+ net worth who lived paycheck-to-paycheck at times because 99% of it is their company or the property they own or whatever.

sailormoon
Jun 28, 2014

fighting evil by moonlight
winning love by daylight


Are there any decent APIs to get real-time equity data? Every site I've looked is generally 15 minutes stale or uber-expensive :sigh:

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.
I have IPOD and IPOF close to NAV. drat you IPOE!

Arzakon
Nov 24, 2002

"I hereby retire from Mafia"
Please turbo me if you catch me in a game.

Chad Sexington posted:

I have IPOD and IPOF close to NAV. drat you IPOE!

Gratz on your 15%?

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

FreelanceSocialist posted:

That's because people's tiny brains cannot separate "net worth" from "liquid assets". I know people with $1m+ net worth who lived paycheck-to-paycheck at times because 99% of it is their company or the property they own or whatever.

lol at comparing your overleveraged mcmansion friends to elon musk

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Inept posted:

lol at comparing your overleveraged mcmansion friends to elon musk

Not comparing them to Musk, talking about people's twisted concept of "net worth".

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

So are you saying he's not the world's richest man or

not sure how having 1 billion liquid vs 200 billion liquid matters when people are saying you should do more to help the planet because you're rich as gently caress and have means and pay lip service to helping the environment because it makes your car company more money.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

You can be a billion liquid and have a negative net worth

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




jokes posted:

You can be a billion liquid and have a negative net worth

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Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

jokes posted:

You can be a billion liquid and have a negative net worth

I have 8 dollars cash and negative a billion net worth so.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Rolo posted:

I have 8 dollars cash and negative a billion net worth so.

That's also possible through the power of Robin Hood!

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


jokes posted:

That's also possible through the power of Robin Hood!

one weird trick to leverage $1 into a million dollar TSLA spread!

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

pixaal posted:

one weird trick to leverage $1 into a million dollar TSLA spread!

Anyone got a link to *that noise* the guy makes after supremely loving up?

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Rolo posted:

Anyone got a link to *that noise* the guy makes after supremely loving up?

Reupload since I think the original has been removed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d80ahvRSV8E

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


IPOD is up 50% from NAV, thats pretty great still

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Inept posted:

So are you saying he's not the world's richest man or

not sure how having 1 billion liquid vs 200 billion liquid matters when people are saying you should do more to help the planet because you're rich as gently caress and have means and pay lip service to helping the environment because it makes your car company more money.

I am saying that you can be the world's richest man, have the highest net worth, and be largely unable to leverage your "riches" to go do stuff in the manner that people, who think you are just Scrooge McDuck with a swimming pool of gold coins, think you can. Right now I would be that MacKenzie Scott, Ambani, or certain members of the House of Saud could do more, faster, than either Bezos or Musk. Before the CCP/baba dust-up I would've put Jack Ma or Ma Huateng in that list but who knows what is going down over there, politically, or what unseen strings are attached and where.

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jan 8, 2021

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Hot drat, UAVS up to around $9.20 premarket

UnfurledSails
Sep 1, 2011

What do you guys think about AMZN these days? It has been flat since October. I bought some around that time guessing that lockdowns would be reinstated around the end of the year and their sales would go up as a result around holiday times, and I was mostly right I think but it seems to not have affected the stock price much.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

UnfurledSails posted:

What do you guys think about AMZN these days? It has been flat since October. I bought some around that time guessing that lockdowns would be reinstated around the end of the year and their sales would go up as a result around holiday times, and I was mostly right I think but it seems to not have affected the stock price much.

Revenue doesn't matter, only hype

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

Until recently, I've not had a stock that paid a dividend. Does the dividend payment get deposited into my brokerage account (TD Ameritrade), do they send me a check, or... something else?

pixaal
Jan 8, 2004

All ice cream is now for all beings, no matter how many legs.


Sand Monster posted:

Until recently, I've not had a stock that paid a dividend. Does the dividend payment get deposited into my brokerage account (TD Ameritrade), do they send me a check, or... something else?

Into your broker account unless you select reinvest then you'll automatically buy fractional shares at market price.

Nitramster
Mar 10, 2006
THERE'S NO TIME!!!
Decided to buy 2 shares of Paypal to start my TDA account for now. I also have "the neatest little guide to stock market investing 5th edition" on the way, should be here today.

Dreadite
Dec 31, 2004

College Slice
Let's post justifications for why it's not actually crazy for TSLA to be one of the largest companies in the US, so that we all Buy A Share and the price collapses because we finally bit

1) I personally want a tesla, probably I think
2) Maybe other car manufacturers give up on EV tech and have to license from TSLA (Maybe this is also bad and erodes their advantage and the market wouldn't like it)
3) Decentralized grid solar/battery tech really takes off in the next 5-10 years, and TSLA is the leader here as well

What are the constraints on their supply chain? Can we really continue to mine enough rare earth minerals to produce the battery stock needed to deliver ever more vehicles? What are their theoretical upper bounds on cars delivered a year? Does it matter?

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G
Harvested my first loss this year! Feels good man.

Sand Monster
Apr 13, 2008

pixaal posted:

Into your broker account unless you select reinvest then you'll automatically buy fractional shares at market price.

Thanks. I see it now when digging through my statements.

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Dreadite posted:

Let's post justifications for why it's not actually crazy for TSLA to be one of the largest companies in the US, so that we all Buy A Share and the price collapses because we finally bit

1) I personally want a tesla, probably I think
2) Maybe other car manufacturers give up on EV tech and have to license from TSLA (Maybe this is also bad and erodes their advantage and the market wouldn't like it)
3) Decentralized grid solar/battery tech really takes off in the next 5-10 years, and TSLA is the leader here as well

What are the constraints on their supply chain? Can we really continue to mine enough rare earth minerals to produce the battery stock needed to deliver ever more vehicles? What are their theoretical upper bounds on cars delivered a year? Does it matter?

the margin on a model 3 is 35%, that can take a lotta fuckery w raw material prices

i do not believe they can stay decommoditized and they have no real answer to the durability of evs being intrinsically better than ice cars (fuckin up the tam). expect them to double or 5x and no more

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