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Warthur posted:Here is a person making a good decision 3 months ago:
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LatwPIAT posted:People seem to think that cyberpunk has to be punk in the left-wing political sense because it has 'punk' in the name, which brings to mind baby oil and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The term was coined through describing authors who approached the staid 1980s (anglosphere) science fiction scene as outsiders armed with radical modernism as 'cyber punks', and later what they wrote as 'cyberpunk', taking its name from a 1982 short story about a cybercriminal, a literal cyber punk. It invoked the amateur and especially outsider nature of these authors, by referencing punk rock as amateur and outsider rock: rock (and science fiction) by punks. Which isn't to say that the term wasn't applied ignorant of how cyberpunk, like punk rock, often had political themes to it, but the primary reason the term was coined was to describe new wave of radical, modern sci-fi challenging the Campbellian establishment. If there's no punk element, there's no point to cyberpunk, you're just playing science fiction. Cyberpunk as a genre has themes for a reason. Social rebellion and oppression, and the terrible results of hypercapitalism are core to the genre. There's nothing wrong with science fiction, but it isn't necessarily cyberpunk. Star Wars is a good example, it uses similar themes of lowlifes, oppressive regimes, rebellion, artificial intelligence, and incidental human enhancement but no one would mistake it for cyberpunk.
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Hostile V posted:I like reading your reviews in general and you hit the nail on the head with why I pulled my review: they're not doing anything interesting or new and the new poo poo they do comes with a dozen little lovely lengths of twine tied to questionable decisions and metaplot. I saw their mechanics in the preview and that they were tying it to their skirmish game and I just immediately stopped caring about the mechanics; the only time that's ever worked on me is Malifaux/Breach. It's so disappointing that this game is their heartbreaker and they're in these positions to just keep trying to resuscitate something so dead it's just a cartoon skeleton without actually putting any meat and matter back on. quote:
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Today in "I'm glad I held off on backing this gaming table" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r3kUAM47Qw&t=497s "We made estimations on 30 tables, and now we're making 8000" Like.. if they get this first one out of the way I'd be more comfortable backing the next one they do, but this first one is loving YIKES
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Liquid Communism posted:If there's no punk element, there's no point to cyberpunk, you're just playing science fiction. Cyberpunk as a genre has themes for a reason. Social rebellion and oppression, and the terrible results of hypercapitalism are core to the genre. Cyberpunk as a genre has themes, but punk politics is not the end-all and be-all of those themes. For example, there’s a distinct subset of works often considered cyberpunk that focus heavily on the computers and corporeality side of things without much, or any, thematic space given to oppression, social rebellion, or anti-capitalism, or even the corporations/crime side of things.
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HidaO-Win posted:I’m a big fan of SLA, but the new system is a bit of a lemon. Love the setting though despite it being strange as hell and possibly not terribly gameable. Yeah, it feels like... I dunno, I wish we had more of what they call 'replays' in western games sometimes and especially with something like SLA Industries where I have it and have read it and (I think) even enjoyed it, but don't wish to engage with it more than poking at it with a stick from time to time. Something to give me more of a feel how it works in actual play.
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Infinitum posted:Today in "I'm glad I held off on backing this gaming table" They probably should have set a limit so they don’t end up loving things up.
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Liquid Communism posted:There's nothing wrong with science fiction, but it isn't necessarily cyberpunk. Star Wars is a good example, it uses similar themes of lowlifes, oppressive regimes, rebellion, artificial intelligence, and incidental human enhancement but no one would mistake it for cyberpunk. Star Wars might not even be Science Fiction. It's just another epic fantasy, but set in outer space. edit: Which is to say, I agree with you, genre is not just wrapping paper for an interchangeable story/setting, the content of the story should matter. One could probably tell a cyberpunk story in the Star Wars universe in the same way they told a heist story in it, but the difference in tone and content would be noticeable even if you didn't know that's what they were doing, to the point where it probably wouldn't even "feel" like Star Wars anymore. But yeah, Kickstarters... Spookyelectric fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 14, 2021 |
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, it feels like... I dunno, I wish we had more of what they call 'replays' in western games sometimes and especially with something like SLA Industries where I have it and have read it and (I think) even enjoyed it, but don't wish to engage with it more than poking at it with a stick from time to time. Something to give me more of a feel how it works in actual play. I’m working on a one sentence summary of SLA, that’s what I got so far. "It's Shadowrun, but you are a newbie Spec Ops soldier on a zero hour contract working for an Evil Megacorp in Glasgow, it's raining, it's eldritch and the loving Tories are in charge." I think how it ends up working most of the time is as if you are playing Dark Heresy, but the organisation you work for is more banally evil even in the face of all the cosmic horror. The guidance you get is mostly episodic tackling of the crap world that is SLA. I’ve argued it badly needs an actual published campaign to give people a little guidance for a longer term arc plot for the game and how it plays session to session. I’ve only ever heard of short campaigns that dive into the weirdness a lot or mostly totally ignore it.
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Infinitum posted:Today in "I'm glad I held off on backing this gaming table" I know furniture is expensive to ship but goddamn some of the prices you see in the comments are almost as expensive as the tables themselves. I don't think anyone beyond the first few rounds is getting a table. Either at all or in a reasonable time.
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HidaO-Win posted:"It's Shadowrun, but you are a newbie Spec Ops soldier on a zero hour contract working for an Evil Megacorp in Glasgow, it's raining, it's eldritch and the loving Tories are in charge." 
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HidaO-Win posted:I’m working on a one sentence summary of SLA, that’s what I got so far. Without irony this is an amazing sum-up. Everything else you said is true, too. Like... much is made of metaplot and without getting into it I think if you do it well it can absolutely be a draw but I genuinely don't know what you can do to impact SLA's as a PC. And it's way past World of Darkness' where you could do stuff and isn't at the level of CthulhuTech's "screw you, it happens anyway" it's just... I don't even think it's not cool that stuff like Bitterness and White Earth and all that are out there but what does that have to do with a SLA Op worrying about their bullet tax and trying to score a sponsorship while killing feral hogs in the sewer?
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SLA: G4S 2023
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Dawgstar posted:Without irony this is an amazing sum-up. Everything else you said is true, too. Most of the new threats in this edition are essentially attempts to make the metaplot more relevant to SLA operatives, which is a good move in theory but in practice I think it'd work much better as "the upper echelons of the company worry about weird, surreal bullshit which barely makes any sense to you if you have the poor fortune to interact with it but is largely disconnected with anything you are worried about yourself" and leave it at that. There doesn't need to be a spelled-out deeper mystery to the setting that Nightfall sweat to keep canon consistent with (to the point of memory holing most of the products they have ever released for it), it can just be a stupid, surreal, arbitrary world of bullshit. Warthur fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Jan 15, 2021 12:55
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The Road to Canterbury, about forgiving the hell out of sins for money, is getting a reprint. http://kck.st/2Lx0UG6 With a new concept of "Stretch Credits"
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I recall enjoying it. Kind of a rummy game like ticket to ride, and everyone dies so I called it ticket to death.
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Warthur posted:Most of the new threats in this edition are essentially attempts to make the metaplot more relevant to SLA operatives, which is a good move in theory but in practice I think it'd work much better as "the upper echelons of the company worry about weird, surreal bullshit which barely makes any sense to you if you have the poor fortune to interact with it but is largely disconnected with anything you are worried about yourself" and leave it at that. There doesn't need to be a spelled-out deeper mystery to the setting that Nightfall sweat to keep canon consistent with (to the point of memory holing most of the products they have ever released for it), it can just be a stupid, surreal, arbitrary world of bullshit. Do they even mention Senti in the new edition? It's been a while since I went over the earlier stuff but I seem to recall she was a big deal and I don't think I saw her name.
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The weirdest thing about Kickstarters is how things I ordered months or years apart end up arriving on the same day. I think both Canvas and Dice Throne Adventures/Dice Throne Season 1 Rerolled are both arriving today... I'm super excited for both but kinda wish there was some separation so I could get some time with one or the other....
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Dungeon Bitches, the pet project of excellent indie RPG designer cavegirl, is on Kickstarter.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:08
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dwarf74 posted:The weirdest thing about Kickstarters is how things I ordered months or years apart end up arriving on the same day. I think both Canvas and Dice Throne Adventures/Dice Throne Season 1 Rerolled are both arriving today... Same but Dice Throne and Tainted Grail. And I hate to admit it, but my excitement for both has really waned over the last few months. DT already arrived and I feel like I can’t muster the enthusiasm to unpack it.
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Dawgstar posted:Do they even mention Senti in the new edition? It's been a while since I went over the earlier stuff but I seem to recall she was a big deal and I don't think I saw her name.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Dungeon Bitches, the pet project of excellent indie RPG designer cavegirl, is on Kickstarter. Backed because I really like her work, but as a straight cis white dude who mostly games with other straight cis white dudes, I'm not sure that I'll ever feel comfortable trying to run a game of it.
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Memnaelar posted:Backed because I really like her work, but as a straight cis white dude who mostly games with other straight cis white dudes, I'm not sure that I'll ever feel comfortable trying to run a game of it. I’d say try and get them out of their comfort zones once in a while.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:Dungeon Bitches, the pet project of excellent indie RPG designer cavegirl, is on Kickstarter. Also, it's PbtA with four stats. Whatever mistakes it makes, compounding Dungeon World's serious misunderstandings doesn't seem to be one.
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snickles posted:Same but Dice Throne and Tainted Grail. And I hate to admit it, but my excitement for both has really waned over the last few months. DT already arrived and I feel like I can’t muster the enthusiasm to unpack it. Canvas is gorgeous. Pro tip: the art cards have a clear protective coating. It's removable with some effort, and makes it about 2x prettier
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The_Doctor posted:I’d say try and get them out of their comfort zones once in a while. Sure, and I don't doubt that they'd be down to try. It's just always tricky navigating that line between trying to walk in someone else's shoes and potentially appropriating them.
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dwarf74 posted:Well, my boys and I have been playing the hell out of Dice Throne over quarantine. They are intensely excited lol Probably overlooking something obvious here, but what are the “art cards”?
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snickles posted:Probably overlooking something obvious here, but what are the “art cards”? You can leave it if you want, but they make the transparent parts cloudier. It's still totally playable, just slightly less beautiful. It took some time to get all of them off, carefully scraping with a knife until part came up and then working at it from there. And as a side benefit, all art cards plus the expansion ones fit into the box with room to spare after removing the film. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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dwarf74 posted:The transparent plastic ones. They have a thin, barely-adhesive protective film on top. Like the kind you'd peel off a screen. Yeah, I’m a moron. I totally misread your second paragraph and thought we were still talking about Dice Throne. You clearly were not, my brain just misfired. I was searching through my boxes for the art cards. Figured it out now and after looking it up I do remember Canvas. Beautiful art, I’m sure the cards look phenomenal in person. Have you tried Dice Throne Adventures yet?
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snickles posted:Yeah, I’m a moron. I totally misread your second paragraph and thought we were still talking about Dice Throne. You clearly were not, my brain just misfired. I was searching through my boxes for the art cards. Figured it out now and after looking it up I do remember Canvas. Beautiful art, I’m sure the cards look phenomenal in person. Have you tried Dice Throne Adventures yet? I have not played it yet but my boys are seriously pumped to play dice throne cooperatively and everything I've seen about it makes me excited to play it, too. Adding an rpg-style semi-legacy element to dice throne pushes all my nerd buttons. We play the head to head or king of the hill variants of dice throne 1 & 2 a few times a week, so the learning curve should be pretty shallow for them. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Is there a Dice Throne thread? It looked cool and i wanted to introduce it to my group since Gloomhaven didn't work out very well.
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I got my Dice Throne stuff today and holy hell I didn’t realize how big all of these boxes were gonna be as I’d only ever played the original. Totally worth it though. The production is spectacular and the individual game trays make it well worth it. Excited to teach it to the wife this weekend.
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Azubah posted:Is there a Dice Throne thread? It looked cool and i wanted to introduce it to my group since Gloomhaven didn't work out very well.  Or talk about it in the big Board Games thread, whatever.  I'd gladly join in. I've been enthralled by it since first game. And it's simple and straightforward enough for my boys (9 and almost 11) to put up a good fight. sportsgenius86 posted:I got my Dice Throne stuff today and holy hell I didn’t realize how big all of these boxes were gonna be as I’d only ever played the original. Totally worth it though. The production is spectacular and the individual game trays make it well worth it. Excited to teach it to the wife this weekend. Which did you get? All three boxes? I'm waiting on just S1 Rerolled, Adventures, and the minis. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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Some new MÖRK BORG stuff. I've heard complaints that this game is all flash and little substance, but I'm pretty unlikely to want to play an OSR game without a hell of a lot of flash to make it go down easier. Also, from the testimonials, apparently Grognardia is back?
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I'd back the Mork Borg stuff, but ever since Kickstarter switched to Stripe I can't back international projects. Every card I have gets rejected, even if I've cleared it with my bank. Sucks.
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dwarf74 posted:Oh god yeah. The new tray setup takes like 3x as much space, but it's nearly perfect. They put a lot of thought into storage, and it really shows. I got all three. No minis here. I wanted them but couldn’t swing it money wise. Couldn’t be more satisfied though. They did a fantastic job.
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Maybe I'm getting old, but like the #2 thing I look for in a boardgame these days, immediately after a great gameplay concept, is on-point production and storage. It's very satisfying to get a game with really nice trays and components that all have a specific, customized home. Dice Throne definitely fires on all cylinders there. Eagle Gryphon Games' deluxe Kickstarter games tend to also. I'll settle for aftermarket solutions if I have to - and occasionally they can be more useful by condensing stuff down from multiple boxes to one - but I'm very tired of sorting through plastic baggies, or worse yet, game boxes that you can't usefully put the game in (e.g. the Arkham Horror LCG).
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sportsgenius86 posted:I got all three. No minis here. I wanted them but couldn’t swing it money wise. I probably should have skipped the minis, but (a) eh, it's worth it for my kids' enjoyment, and (b) I had some extra cash when the backerkit opened. I already had the Season 2 Battle Chest so it wasn't all too crazy. It's the most I've ever spent on a kickstarter, but as mentioned, I trust I'm in for a high quality product here. malkav11 posted:Maybe I'm getting old, but like the #2 thing I look for in a boardgame these days, immediately after a great gameplay concept, is on-point production and storage. It's very satisfying to get a game with really nice trays and components that all have a specific, customized home. Dice Throne definitely fires on all cylinders there. Eagle Gryphon Games' deluxe Kickstarter games tend to also. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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