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Guavanaut posted:The Palace of Versailles and the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg each bring in more annual tourism money than all the Queen's castles combined, which implies some exciting revenue opportunities for what to do with royals. If anything dumping them is good business sense when you consider that France doesn't have to shut down Versailles and miss out on thousands of dollars of tourism revenue a day every time the King wants Jeffrey Epstein to come emcee a palace orgy E: Mega Comrade posted:You know the UK isn't the only country with a dumb monarchy right? Are they all exempt from pointing out the flaws in the US? anyone from those countries is free to criticize the bullshit American cult of meritocratic elites at any time, but if they do it while being a royalist themselves they're fuckin dumb or more charitably critically lacking in self-awareness VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:If someone with a monarch or lese majesty laws is calling out the United States free speech laws as overly broad that is extremely funny, to me. I've always found the claim to be a bastion of freedom from the country with the highest proportion of its citizens behind bars pretty funny. A thing I actually think is bad is chancel insurance, now that's truly medieval.
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VitalSigns posted:anyone from those countries is free to criticize the bullshit American cult of meritocratic elites at any time, but if they do it while being a royalist themselves they're fuckin dumb or more charitably critically lacking in self-awareness Maybe you should try to find a royalist first.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:23
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The queen is less free than I am.
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Jan 15, 2021 20:29
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Maybe you should try to find a royalist first. You were asking a general question about "everyone in monarchist countries x, y, and z" I assume they have at least some royalists there If you're not a royalist personally then I'm not talking about you
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Jan 15, 2021 21:07
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exmachina posted:The queen is less free than I am. lmao if you really believe this She has a bunch of dumb professional expectations she must maintain while doing her job of mostly permanent vacation, but that's 100% her choice and she's free to abdicate at any time and remain so personally wealthy that she can do anything she wants, like marry a divorcee or gently caress kids or buddy up with Literally Adolf Hitler or any of the other standard hobbies of retired monarchs
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Jan 15, 2021 21:11
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It costs about a million sterling minimum to get the kind of audience with her where you can start suggesting things, whereas you could bribe the average goon with Steam codes, so I fully believe that the queen is less free than exmachina.
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Jan 15, 2021 21:18
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Blue Moonlight posted:Part of what makes this so insidious is that anyone who is a “successful YouTuber” has to be releasing this firehouse of content because YouTube is loving insatiable. So you end up with people flirting with bigotry, racism, homophobia, sexism, antisemitism, fringe conspiracies, and all manner of generally edgelord bullshit and it all-too-frequently gets missed just due to volume. Yeah...I dunno...the whole thing is pretty loving rough. I use YouTube a lot for obvious reasons and go down rabbit holes myself but FB not so much and Twitter not at all. I'm pretty sure all this always online/everyone is famous crap doesn't benefit society overall. I don't understand my YT recommendations at ALL either and I even have it set not to track my history. But still, like, I'll watch a Frontline documentary about Vietnam or some poo poo and next thing I know Google thinks I need to watch Ben Shapiro owning libs, Joe Rogan, a UFO thing or some poo poo. Some of the content my kid saw was bone chilling. There was one Minecraft looking thing that gave him a nightmare. Some weird poo poo where a man killed and then buried the kid's dog, refused to open his door because he was "only raping your mother in that room!", yelled at his son, beat him and then made him spend the night out in the cold woods as punishment. Jesus Christ. poo poo was dark and this was WITH the parental filter on. It made my son cry and made ME sad because I wasn't paying enough attention to his viewing habits and it looked like a harmless Minecraft video. There was also some poo poo he was watching that looked like Robot Chicken style Spiderman, Simpsons, Yoda, Harry Potter mash ups - that were green lit and marked safe on the kid's channel - which turned out to be some weird and bizarre kid friendly sort of....torture porn (?) that was fairly graphic. Some people here have to know what I'm talking about. But what was anyone trying to gain posting that poo poo? If I can find a link to it I'll link to some of what I'm going on about. Sorry for the rant.
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BiggerBoat posted:There was also some poo poo he was watching that looked like Robot Chicken style Spiderman, Simpsons, Yoda, Harry Potter mash ups - that were green lit and marked safe on the kid's channel - which turned out to be some weird and bizarre kid friendly sort of....torture porn (?) that was fairly graphic. Some people here have to know what I'm talking about. It's designed to get clicks through high volumes of low content algorithmic videos, most of them fairly benign but uncanny, some of them really hosed up. It's like the end stage of moving media from a handful of establishment sources that were safe (within the margins of what the establishment thought was safe for kids back then, so no sex but yes racism) through to the complete opposite.
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The royal family is one thing but why are there still lords? They control a third of all british land and not a one did anything to deserve it. At least the queen is a figurehead and does some head of state duties. I'm pretty sure the Earl of Shrewsbury does not deserve the immense wealth his family has been given over the last 600 years.
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Jan 15, 2021 22:15
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Guavanaut posted:Sounds like 'weird kids youtube' which can cover all sorts of poo poo, but matches that pretty well. Folding Ideas also did a good video on it a few years back. The sudden shift from innocuous-seeming content to disturbing content isn't even "deliberate" with this sort of video, it's just what happens when you punch in a bunch of attention-grabbing words into a program that procedurally generates content, and then just upload whatever it spits out. I believe that The Almighty Algorithm has had a few tweaks over the years so that this kind of content isn't as prevalent anymore, but there's a ton of it that's still floating around out there from when it was at its peak. BiggerBoat posted:There was one Minecraft looking thing that gave him a nightmare. Some weird poo poo where a man killed and then buried the kid's dog, refused to open his door because he was "only raping your mother in that room!", yelled at his son, beat him and then made him spend the night out in the cold woods as punishment. Jesus Christ. poo poo was dark and this was WITH the parental filter on. It made my son cry and made ME sad because I wasn't paying enough attention to his viewing habits and it looked like a harmless Minecraft video. Minecraft Youtube is... Weird. People quickly figured out that putting "Minecraft" in a video's title pretty much guarantees it more hits than a standard video (seriously, type "minecraft" into the search bar and look at how many fuckin' hits these videos get), so while most of it is just harmless Let's Plays and tutorial videos, there's a lot of content out there that's not suitable for kids. Odds are what your son watched was just someone trying to be shocking and edgy, using the medium of Minecraft to get more hits.
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Magic Underwear posted:The royal family is one thing but why are there still lords? They control a third of all british land and not a one did anything to deserve it. At least the queen is a figurehead and does some head of state duties. I'm pretty sure the Earl of Shrewsbury does not deserve the immense wealth his family has been given over the last 600 years. Lord is basically a title you can just buy if you're wealthy enough. Even if you scrap the titles you still have these super rich families that hoard land and wealth (see France).
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Jan 15, 2021 23:22
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Magic Underwear posted:The royal family is one thing but why are there still lords? They control a third of all british land and not a one did anything to deserve it. At least the queen is a figurehead and does some head of state duties. I'm pretty sure the Earl of Shrewsbury does not deserve the immense wealth his family has been given over the last 600 years. Backup monarchs in case republicans start to get serious.
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Jan 15, 2021 23:30
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Magic Underwear posted:The royal family is one thing but why are there still lords? They control a third of all british land and not a one did anything to deserve it. At least the queen is a figurehead and does some head of state duties. I'm pretty sure the Earl of Shrewsbury does not deserve the immense wealth his family has been given over the last 600 years. I think you have it around backwards, most peerages are not hereditary, they are bestowed upon people who then sit in the house of Lords. So they were rich first, then became Lords.
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Jan 15, 2021 23:47
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And then there're the Lords Spiritual, because we have Bishops in our upper house like a sensible democracy should
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exmachina posted:I think you have it around backwards, most peerages are not hereditary, they are bestowed upon people who then sit in the house of Lords. So they were rich first, then became Lords. No. 30% of UK land is owned by members of the aristocracy. Hereditary peers. Rich people who have been made lords are probably falling under "Oligarchs and Bankers" at a paltry 17%. There are more hereditary peers than life peers. It's just only 92 are allowed to sit in the house of lords. There is an election within those who hold peerages to say who gets the limited number of hereditary seats. It's a very dysfunctional system.
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Cross posting but...gently caress..what do you DO with these people? The true believers and hardcore weirdos are by far the biggest and most serious problem and I'm hosed if I know what to do about them. I live in NE FL (St. Augustine) and went into a gas station, told my 9 year old son to social distance from anyone not wearing a mask in the store (there were a few) and the deliberately maskless motherfucker overheard me and was all "What did you say?!?" I politely informed the (maskless belligerent redneck) gentleman that I was not speaking to him but to my son, which seemed to clear the matter until we got outside and were waiting for the cops and the wreckers to clear an accident that had happened earlier. I was explaining to my boy that we wear masks to protect other people, not ourselves, and also to avoid anyone not wearing one and overheard this stupid motherfucker STILL trying to interject himself into my reality and my conversation with my son, suggesting I not teach my son "bullshit". I didn't engage (I REALLY wanted to) and ignored him, just mainly to de-escalate and not put a 9 year old boy in danger, but these dummies were intentionally not wearing masks and seemed to be itching for someone to say something about it. Actually, there was no "seemed to be" about it. Like, they were just genuinely trying to start trouble for no reason with a little 4th grade boy standing there browsing the ice cream aisle. I was...talking....to...my....SON. Bubba or whatever your name is. I wanted to rip his loving throat out, slash his tires and set his loving truck on fire. Never mind reaching across the aisle to convince him to vote for UHC or talk him down from whatever "bullshit" I was communicating to my 9 year old little boy who is, so far, not an rear end in a top hat. I don't know if this prick was Q or not but he was close enough for my taste and I hope I meet him again. the gently caress is WRONG with these people?
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They've already forgotten that January 6th was supposed to be The Storm. The real storm is coming on inauguration day, this was always the plan, Trump just had to wait for Pence to certify a fraudulent election https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1349730838045290500 https://mobile.twitter.com/AricToler/status/1350152452931264517
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BiggerBoat posted:the gently caress is WRONG with these people? Misinformation, insularity, misinformation, confirmation bias, misinformation.
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Jan 16, 2021 01:24
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VitalSigns posted:They've already forgotten that January 6th was supposed to be The Storm. The real storm is coming on inauguration day, this was always the plan, Trump just had to wait for Pence to certify a fraudulent election
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Jan 16, 2021 01:26
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Wow, thanks Brian Anderson, they would've fallen for it but thanks to your publicly visible tweet, they can avoid going to the inauguration event and escape Trump's plan!
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Twelve by Pies posted:Wow, thanks Brian Anderson, they would've fallen for it but thanks to your publicly visible tweet, they can avoid going to the inauguration event and escape Trump's plan! This is why The Storm had to keep getting postponed. Q was all prepared to arrest the entire deep state on various occasions like McCain's funeral or the day the electoral college voted etc, but always had to abort at the last second as the deep state cabal kept getting tipped off by QAnoner cryptographic geniuses decoding the signs and posting Q's plan online for anyone to read
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Twelve by Pies posted:Wow, thanks Brian Anderson, they would've fallen for it but thanks to your publicly visible tweet, they can avoid going to the inauguration event and escape Trump's plan! You rube. You’ve forgotten that Trump has transplanted his brain into a clone Biden body and has taken his place after sending the real Biden to Gitmo. Trump-as-Biden has told thousands of the SECRET LIBERAL ELITE that they must attend the inauguration or he will cut off their supply of adrenochrome. They will all still attend, and the real Biden will be forcibly inaugurated under threat of revealing the contents of HUNTER BIDEN’S LAPTOP. Once that happens, Trump, returned to his body that Sidney Powell has been keeping fresh for him, will beam down onto stage with secret Space Force transporters and initiate the MASS ARRESTS we have been promised. Anderson’s tweet is a secret message to the Q faithful to trust the plan.
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That's true. I totally forgot all that poo poo too.
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Illuminti posted:I just had to look up what a vtuber is because I'm old. I shouldn't have because now I'm going to have that "man, we are hosed" feeling for an hour. I'm considering becoming a hyena boy vtuber.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:People who believe in deep state secret society conspiracies think the royal family must be involved directly with them as otherwise they'd have already been toppled by them. Qanon goes further they think the queens the supreme deep state leader. Huh. That council of 13 stuff is a straight up white supremacist thing. The concept is that there is 13 jewish families that are "serpent seed", descended from the snake that tempted eve in the garden of eden. The idea itself is cribbed of a fairly ancient gnostic (and rejected by the early church along with most other gnostic stuff) idea that eve hosed the serpent and produced "serpent seed" children. This got resurected in "British Israelite" (A white supremacist cult that believes white people are the chosen ones of the bible and either britain or the US is the promised land) theology as a claim that the hebrew folk are satanic "serpent seed" and whites are the true jews of the bible. Then at some point that idea got cribbed by Fritz Springmeier and integrated into modern American conspiracy theories, and now it would appear is being mashed into the qanon nonsense. Then aagain QAnon is basically Protocols of the elders of zion with the word "jew" scrubbed out and "globalist" scribbled back in, in crayon, so I guess thats not THAT surprising.
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Xand_Man posted:Is YMCA supposed to be a Trump thing? It was basically his campaign song this year. That and Macho Man it was a v Village People centric campaign. This is not a joke.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Maybe you should try to find a royalist first. There is at least one unironic monarchist on these very forums.
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VitalSigns posted:They've already forgotten that January 6th was supposed to be The Storm. The real storm is coming on inauguration day, this was always the plan, Trump just had to wait for Pence to certify a fraudulent election like i know many of them will just find another excuse or out or etc. but i am sorta curious if the 20th will be their "great disappointment" moment. like i feel like the coup has probably fractured Q somewhat already.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:It was basically his campaign song this year. That and Macho Man it was a v Village People centric campaign. This is not a joke. It's because he's a boomer and his voters are all boomers and they associate it with the Good Times. That's all there is to it. The queer dynamics? You don't understand, Donald Trump is the manliest president who has ever existed. Also he hasn't been using any of those songs with permission, there is zero chance the Village People are getting paid for it. Lmao what are they going to do, sue him?
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This is what happens when society doesn't take care of itself, essentially. Ordinarily someone could intervene before poo poo gets bad. Friends get involved, misinformation gets properly repudiated, etc. But very few of these things are being done. Many parts selfish parties in government, many parts profit-seeking companies, a few parts everyone being so worn out/down that they can barely look after themselves nevermind others.
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BiggerBoat posted:the gently caress is WRONG with these people? Possibly exposing you and your son to a potentially deadly infection and berating you about it in his mind is an expression of his freedom of speech, he thinks it's his right to expose you to danger and disagreeing with him is trampling on his rights because "free country" and his political heroes all play covid down while the bodies pile up. See the republicans refusing masks whilst in a panic room under siege for a recent example. He's been lied to and he either knows that and goes along with it just to own the libs or he's too stupid to see it. If he knows it's a lie he's gambling the low chances of him dying against demonstrating he can't be told what to do for political reasons, he doesn't care about you or your sons life because he probably wants you shot anyway. Lying for Trump is like lying for Jesus they know it's bollocks but it's morally correct bollocks in their minds so therefore truth. Cognitive dissonance.
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packetmantis posted:There is at least one unironic monarchist on these very forums. Probably is. Monarchists tend to be right wing ranging from your harmless commemorative plate collecting traditionalist, through fantasists who genuinely think the empires still a thing all the way to the full on nazi far right types who will physically attack anyone who doesn't stand for the national anthem. They'd be more likely to believe in qanon than take the piss, so this threads an unlikely place to find one.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Lying for Trump is like lying for Jesus they know it's bollocks but it's morally correct bollocks in their minds so therefore truth. Cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is the disharmony he feels due to the competing narratives in his head of ‘don’t lie’ and ‘lie for trump’. The reason he’s aggressive and confrontational is because that dissonance is uncomfortable. The disharmony is externalized and sent at the 9 year old with his tubby goon parent because it allows him to burn off the psychological stress of holding two incongruous worldviews at once. That’s what it means and how it’s expressed, it doesn’t just mean ‘doublethink’.
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Phobophilia posted:It's because he's a boomer and his voters are all boomers and they associate it with the Good Times. That's all there is to it. The queer dynamics? You don't understand, Donald Trump is the manliest president who has ever existed. What stands out to me is the sheer laziness of this choice; absolutely zero thought went into it. It has nothing to do with America, the values he wants to espouse or his messaging. It's just the very first piece of stadium music that came to mind. One of the interesting things about Trump is his brand of fractal stupidity, where his ignorance and sloth are mirrored in every decision both big and small.
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Captain Monkey posted:Cognitive dissonance is the disharmony he feels due to the competing narratives in his head of ‘don’t lie’ and ‘lie for trump’. The reason he’s aggressive and confrontational is because that dissonance is uncomfortable. The disharmony is externalized and sent at the 9 year old with his tubby goon parent because it allows him to burn off the psychological stress of holding two incongruous worldviews at once. That interpretation in this instance requires an assumption he genuinely thinks lying is wrong, he endangered a kid and tried to pick a row with the child's parent. So I doubt he's a particularly moral individual beyond condemning anyone for not demonstrating the same moral code and beliefs he parrots having picked it up from his peer group. He probably thinks of mask wearers as the sheeple.
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Ambitious Spider posted:That's what I meant to imply-that I don't know, but it doesn't matter. He's also sort of the reverse X-Files.They kept the UFOs and excised the problematic bits of Cooper. Icke took the reptillians from V (I know reptilian aliens have popped up in UFO lore sporadically beforehand, but I'd bet Icke didn't) and added all the problematic bits. I've done articles digging into this deeper but in summary: The Robots' Rebellion, his first book which went into full-on conspiracy theory stuff rather than reheated Theosophy, is more or less a direct rip-off of Behold a Pale Horse and William Bramley's The Gods of Eden, and he's pretty much just tacked on more borrowed poo poo onto it since. He does more or less no original research of his own (beyond ayahuasca trips) but acts like he's discovered all this stuff by himself. The side effect of this is that he's sort of accidentally useful as a bellweather. If you want to take the temperature of what conspiracy theory culture is excited about at the moment, taking a look at what Icke is currently expending his energy on talking about isn't a terrible way to do it. It's not perfect because conspiracy theorists are sectarian fuckers who like to have their little civil wars and schisms (see: Alex Jones yelling at QAnon Shaman and denouncing the Q movement), but it's a useful data point for monitoring purposes.
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