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Jose posted:We're locking down for ages Stay locked down for at least the next 3 months only for it to shoot up again or a little longer than a month in a zero covid manner and keep it down. Your call! 114: At least how many days this lockdown will last unless we get a zero covid strategy implemented.
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thespaceinvader posted:Wait what slingshot channel guy? It led to his whole channel being reported for terrorism within hours, everything taken down, and counterterror executing a raid on his house. It all got cleared up eventually when someone decided to watch the actual video and realized that it was the complete opposite of what the Mail were claiming, but it was still a massively poo poo situation and yet didn't even appear on the radar of the 'cancel culture' warriors. Not linking to their lovely article, but it's still publicly accessible and full of lies.  Johnson enjoys breaking Good Friday agreements.
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Guavanaut posted:Johnson enjoys breaking Good Friday agreements. 
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Convex posted:We already figured out the solution for that years ago, just send this guy in That they've not tried rebooting/rereleasing this game, complete with Pixies theme tune, is the real Gamergate imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IC-P5fnLx8
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I like the Israeli Labour Party as the only ex-social democratic party more loving hopeless than our own.
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I've joined the CWU since they now court IT staff as well as actual communications workers.
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Angrymog posted:I've joined the CWU since they now court IT staff as well as actual communications workers. Yeah, same. In terms of lockdown restrictions: if we really do manage to vaccinate all the elderly and vulnerable people by the end of Feb, continuing a full lockdown past March will become very difficult to justify.
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We need to get second doses out there for that - while 1 dose is somewhat protective, the data is clear a second dose is better, so I think those are important. But there's no need to enforce restrictions when the over 60s and vunriable have all been double dosed - while you'll still get spread and some deaths, the potential for surges like we're seeing now should be blunted.
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Jan 19, 2021 13:25
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XMNN posted:these people are psychopaths I'm losing track In the doves v hawks analogy here who is the enemy? are the hawks in favour of tougher restrictions to fight the virus or are they in favour of letting the virus attack our own population?
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Communist Thoughts posted:I'm losing track Doves would be the ones advocating for longer lockdowns and such, hawks are the ones arguing for cutting the lockdowns asap to get the economy going again and poo poo. In this instance both are still tories so they are both enemies but the doves are at least somewhat trying to minimise deaths.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:We need to get second doses out there for that - while 1 dose is somewhat protective, the data is clear a second dose is better, so I think those are important. But there's no need to enforce restrictions when the over 60s and vunriable have all been double dosed - while you'll still get spread and some deaths, the potential for surges like we're seeing now should be blunted. Healthcare systems may not collapse but it's still a bad idea letting a new virus which inflicts medium term health consequences (at the very least) on many sufferers and with mutations coming fast just plough through the population because it'll be sunny and people miss the pub.
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thebardyspoon posted:Doves would be the ones advocating for longer lockdowns and such, hawks are the ones arguing for cutting the lockdowns asap to get the economy going again and poo poo. In this instance both are still tories so they are both enemies but the doves are at least somewhat trying to minimise deaths. Yes, but 'doves versus hawks' is usually foreign policy terminology for 'conciliators versus aggressors'. It's worth examining this quote and contemplating who and what the hawks are being hawkish against.
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namesake posted:Healthcare systems may not collapse but it's still a bad idea letting a new virus which inflicts medium term health consequences (at the very least) on many sufferers and with mutations coming fast just plough through the population because it'll be sunny and people miss the pub. It's also a bad idea to continue a restrictive lockdown that further increases wealth inequality and poverty among the young and working class while further damaging people's mental health, education, futures etc. While most of that could be mitigated by a competent or human government, we don't have one - we have to choose between a further lockdown which benefits the rich more or easing it earlier to their short term benefit and unknown medium term risk.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Does the UK even have freedom of speech? Doesn't it come with like a million asterixes However if your opinion is nasty leftist harrassment, to do so without being sued by Also to have that opinion distributed to millions of impressionable drones, you must also go to the right dinner parties, and to go to the right dinner parties, you must also have gone to the right schools. Finally, you must also accept that when you express your opinion, American run social media sites will ban you, but do nothing about the army of alt-right maniacs threatening to kill the dog / wife / child you accidentally uploaded a picture of before you knew any better. It's a fun game!
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Darth Walrus posted:Yes, but 'doves versus hawks' is usually foreign policy terminology for 'conciliators versus aggressors'. It's worth examining this quote and contemplating who and what the hawks are being hawkish against. In this case, they are being hawkish against *checks notes* the elderly, the infirm and the vulnerable.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:It's also a bad idea to continue a restrictive lockdown that further increases wealth inequality and poverty among the young and working class while further damaging people's mental health, education, futures etc. While most of that could be mitigated by a competent or human government, we don't have one - we have to choose between a further lockdown which benefits the rich more or easing it earlier to their short term benefit and unknown medium term risk. If we can't affect the government then no we can't choose at all. If we can affect them then let's get them to do the right way out.
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Confirmation that we're underreporting deathsquote:Almost a third of recovered Covid patients will end up back in hospital within five months and one in eight will die, alarming new figures have shown. https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-third-recovered-covid-patients-180255388.html So over a five month follow-up period almost 1/3 of covid hospital admissions are readmitted and 1/8 of people originally admitted and subsequently discharged die, after the initial 28 day window. Presumably this means that the pressure on the NHS will continue to grow for a period even as infections decline as people are readmitted at a later date. Holy poo poo long-covid is terrifying.
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Guavanaut posted:Johnson enjoys breaking Good Friday agreements. Guav, welcome to the provisional conditional discontinuous IRA, which I formed in my local Tesco carpark last night
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blunt posted:Confirmation that we're underreporting deaths Should show up in excess deaths though, assuming they aren't loving with that somehow. However the latest data I can see on that is FT from Dec11, where UK was at 81k. I know it won't be a complete accounting due to lockdown affecting certain behaviours leading to deaths, and reduced flu deaths, etc., but every metric is a proxy
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Nothingtoseehere posted:We need to get second doses out there for that - while 1 dose is somewhat protective, the data is clear a second dose is better, so I think those are important. But there's no need to enforce restrictions when the over 60s and vunriable have all been double dosed - while you'll still get spread and some deaths, the potential for surges like we're seeing now should be blunted. I am not over 60 and not in line for a vaccine and as far as I'm concerned you can throw all the over 60s in a big blender cos I don't see why I should be put at risk just because they'll probably be fine. They already get every loving thing else done for them I don't see why I should get sick for the useless pricks.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That they've not tried rebooting/rereleasing this game, complete with Pixies theme tune, is the real Gamergate imo. They rebooted it on PS2 but it was bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVZn6Az_TMk
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blunt posted:Holy poo poo long-covid is terrifying. I wonder if any of this will get through to any of the "they count every death within 28 days after a test so if you get a positive test and then a piano drops on your head from a crane it's counted as a Covid death no don't ask me why there's suddenly thousands more Buster Keaton/Tom and Jerry deaths happening" people or if they're too far gone. Failed Imagineer posted:Guav, welcome to the provisional conditional discontinuous IRA, which I formed in my local Tesco carpark last night
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In my opinion it is bad when people who are not my enemies die, so we should be wary about relaxing restrictions until a significant majority of the population are vaccinated to control its spread (if the vaccine even does that). 90% efficacy after 2 doses is still a 10% chance of getting it, I wouldn't roll those dice if I were vulnerable.
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Convex posted:We already figured out the solution for that years ago, just send this guy in In one of those weird coincidences* I was watching a Let's Play of the arcade version of NARC this morning, because YouTuber Justin Whang had put up a Stream of himself playing the game on the NES. That game, NARC, not only has one of the maddest final bosses ever, but when you beat the game it says "thank you for completing the NARC training program. Now go enroll with your local DEA office." The game was literally a recruiting tool for the drugs task force. Also, fun fact, fellow Goons Slowbeef and Diabetus did a Let's Play of a very obvious NARC rip-off called Crimewave. It was pretty funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDvqdPq5vL0 * = The kind of weird coincidences that prove the existence of some sort of higher power or grand plan.
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thebardyspoon posted:Doves would be the ones advocating for longer lockdowns and such, hawks are the ones arguing for cutting the lockdowns asap to get the economy going again and poo poo. In this instance both are still tories so they are both enemies but the doves are at least somewhat trying to minimise deaths. they are all shitehawks, op
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The Question IRL posted:The game was literally a recruiting tool for the drugs task force. crispix posted:they are all shitehawks, op 
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OwlFancier posted:I am not over 60 and not in line for a vaccine and as far as I'm concerned you can throw all the over 60s in a big blender cos I don't see why I should be put at risk just because they'll probably be fine.  A bit harsh there. Many over 60s are not useless. Many still work, many are struggling financially because employers are so thick they don't think over 60s can 'learn new tricks' and there's a push on over 60s to quit work to make space for younger people, but also can't get their pensions for 7 years, but also have saved £16k so can't get universal credit either. And the fking tories think that women over 60 should get apprenticeships paying £3.45 an hour or whatever it is now (what employer is going to employ an over 60 as an apprentice?) Those that do have money are often supporting their own kids either housing them or paying/gifting home deposits, contributing to university fees etc. Many do unpaid child care, elder care - if you're in your 60s your parents are likely in their 80s, charity work. Round here, most of the people doing the 'help your neighbour' stuff for the housebound, food bank staffing and donation collection and so forth are over 60. I'm over 60 now and as far as I can tell I won't be on the list for a jab until April or May as I have no underlying health issues. My mother's getting her first jab next week and myself and my sister have said to her that it doesn't mean she can let down her guard and must still use a mask and socially distance because just because you've had the vaccination doesn't mean you can't still be a carrier and also the query over the efficacy anyway at least until 2nd doses have been given.
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OwlFancier posted:I am not over 60 and not in line for a vaccine and as far as I'm concerned you can throw all the over 60s in a big blender cos I don't see why I should be put at risk just because they'll probably be fine. Sounds like you've fallen for the capitalist mystification of intergenerational conflict, friend
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Borrovan posted:In my opinion it is bad when people who are not my enemies die, so we should be wary about relaxing restrictions until a significant majority of the population are vaccinated to control its spread (if the vaccine even does that). That's not quite what that means. It's a 10% chance of developing (any) symptoms if you do catch the virus. I don't have the stats but it is also thought to reduce the severity of any symptoms, possibly eliminating the chance of fatality or any longterm conditions (though again I don't have the stats for that)
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https://twitter.com/inthesedeserts/status/1351508542675681281 Nate from trashfuture is now on his third consecutive day of having big-brained twitter lawyers try to work out if he's secretly Christian.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Sounds like you've fallen for the capitalist mystification of intergenerational conflict, friend Ah.... *inhales deeply*
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Meanwhile: Is anyone on here a charity trustee? I've been asked to become a charity trustee for a small new charity with good aims being set up by a young relative who has inherited money from his mum who died a few years ago. I've looked over various documents, but what I really want to know in words of one syllable: what might I be in for in terms of liabilities? He has the other trustees in place and needs just one more before he can finalize whatever he needs to do. I'm finding being chair of our residents' committee quite onerous and the thought that I might be liable for something else (though the charity will have trustee liability insurance) is not appealing. I don't want to let him down though.
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josh04 posted:Nate from trashfuture is now on his third consecutive day of having big-brained twitter lawyers try to work out if he's secretly Christian.
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At the risk of getting into serious Bald territory - what's the comparable rate for people hospitalised with other pulmonary infections? These numbers are terrifying if they're for otherwise-healthy people, but if that's (as I suspect) fairly similar to the rates for people hospitalised by flu, then the Covid hospitalisation is just another signpost on the way down at the end of life. Grim and horrifying for the people involved, but a disease that shortens an individual's life expectancy from 87 to 86 is very different from one that shortens it from 87 to 77 (or 47) on a population level. Guavanaut posted:I wonder if any of this will get through to any of the "they count every death within 28 days after a test so if you get a positive test and then a piano drops on your head from a crane it's counted as a Covid death no don't ask me why there's suddenly thousands more Buster Keaton/Tom and Jerry deaths happening" people or if they're too far gone. You're already seeing "Well death rates are still going up despite the vaccine!" and it's a very small jump from there to "Death rates are going up *because* of the vaccine", and I'm certain that'll be the next line they fall back to, along with explaining Long Covid deaths and damage. The Icke/Jones Fuckhead Pioneer Corps have already laid the groundwork for them and everything.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:That's not quite what that means. It's a 10% chance of developing (any) symptoms if you do catch the virus. I don't have the stats but it is also thought to reduce the severity of any symptoms, possibly eliminating the chance of fatality or any longterm conditions (though again I don't have the stats for that) Excess deaths over the 5 year average is very similar to the death count within 28 days of diagnosis and the Covid on death certificate numbers, so I don't think we're likely to be over or undereporting covids deaths by a margin of error of more than 10%.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:At the risk of getting into serious Bald territory - what's the comparable rate for people hospitalised with other pulmonary infections? These numbers are terrifying if they're for otherwise-healthy people, but if that's (as I suspect) fairly similar to the rates for people hospitalised by flu, then the Covid hospitalisation is just another signpost on the way down at the end of life. Grim and horrifying for the people involved, but a disease that shortens an individual's life expectancy from 87 to 86 is very different from one that shortens it from 87 to 77 (or 47) on a population level. Yeah I'm seeing that vaccine is killing people (Norway and another I can't remember) doing the rounds quite heavily on Facebook now. Friend just 40 has long covid and she's been in and out of hospital for months now.
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Miftan posted:I'd be wary of drawing conclusions from that. 8200 is, I think, the largest unit in the IDF and has about a billion different roles people can do. Like most army units, a lot of them are really lame bookkeeping stuff. This guy probably isn't a super spy, and 5 years in the IDF is the standard draft + 1 officer term which is.. Really standard in Israel. Could have just written 'hired an Israeli'.
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The Question IRL posted:In one of those weird coincidences* I was watching a Let's Play of the arcade version of NARC this morning, because YouTuber Justin Whang had put up a Stream of himself playing the game on the NES. gently caress me, I played the poo poo outta crimewave when I was a kid. My dad got a bootleg version with a photocopy of the manual so we could get into the game, only problem was one of the pages was incorrectly copied and was missing half the words. Every 10th load up was a bust.
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