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NotJustANumber99 posted:Am I missing something? "I never thought they would eat MY face!" cries man who voted for Leapords Eating People's Faces Party.
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namesake posted:The pre-assumption of this logic is that the Scottish area is different from any other group of non-Tory voting seats, like Greater Manchester and Liverpool which frequently votes uniformly one way and doesn't get that party into government. If Greater Manchester had had a popular independence movement for the last 50 years or so and regularly elected Mancunian Independence MPs then it probably wouldn't seem so outrageous - who knows, maybe the NIP will be there in a few decades. You don't have to like the SNP - we all know ITT that they're pretty poo poo - or think that Scotland out of the UK would be a good thing overall. But the SNP's entire raison d'être is Scottish independence and they've been the largest party in the Scottish Parliament since 2007 and returned the most Scottish MPs since 2015. That's about as legitimate as our parliamentary system can really get. I don't know what more you could ask for to legitimise an independence movement, the return of the Jacobite pretender and an armed uprising?
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Jan 24, 2021 00:45
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Ms Adequate posted:"I never thought they would eat MY face!" cries man who voted for Leapords Eating People's Faces Party. I think maybe you havent read the article? But I've had a drink so maybe I've missed the key sentence or something?
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Jan 24, 2021 00:45
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Guavanaut posted:I thought MyPillow was a joke about trumpkins and anime body pillows and trump waifus at first, but reality continues to be dumber than anything else.  Far-right nationwide broadcaster cuts from their coverage of presidential confidante and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell calling for an insurrection to overturn the US election results to a sponsored advert of the same guy hawking his wares while wearing pajamas and hugging a pillow. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 00:47
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namesake posted:The pre-assumption of this logic is that the Scottish area is different from any other group of non-Tory voting seats, like Greater Manchester and Liverpool which frequently votes uniformly one way and doesn't get that party into government. No, the assumption of this logic is that a Scottish independence movement exists in a meaningful way, with an active base in Holyrood to go from, where as a North Britain independence movement doesn't exist & can't be jumped on to get away from the Home Counties death cult. I'm not a Scottish nationalist, I just can't loving hack being part of this miserable union anymore. If there was an independence movement where every Tory UDI'd & hosed off to Sealand I would support that. But it doesn't exist so I can only work with what exists.
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Jan 24, 2021 00:51
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JollyBoyJohn posted:The last time I went to Glasgow I found a bottle of buckfast in a McDonalds toilet stall with the hinges kicked off it and 2 stogies snuffed out in the latrine quote:Buckfast Tonic Wine is a caffeinated fortified wine originally made by monks at Buckfast Abbey in Devon what the gently caress
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Jan 24, 2021 00:52
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:what the gently caress yeah i remember being pretty shocked by that too if you want to know more about buckfast heres a good video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuKZWkgo098 - warning contains Stuart Cosgrove, the most pretentious scotsman in existence JollyBoyJohn fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 00:54
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think maybe you havent read the article? "We celebrated the Brexit deal with champagne over Christmas but when we woke up and realised that this car crash was happening, we thought, oh my God!" If you don't think that's prime "You broke it, you bought it" then IDK what to say.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:09
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NoneMoreNegative posted:"We celebrated the Brexit deal with champagne over Christmas but when we woke up and realised that this car crash was happening, we thought, oh my God!" Or he was really worried about the effects of a no deal Brexit on his business and thought things were going to be somewhat okay when a deal was signed at the last minute. It doesn't say how or why he voted.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:13
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I really like buckfast and I dont know what that says about me
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Jan 24, 2021 01:16
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NoneMoreNegative posted:"We celebrated the Brexit deal with champagne over Christmas but when we woke up and realised that this car crash was happening, we thought, oh my God!" Yeah, you don't get it. If the article had a bunch of brexit supporters finally realised they were idiots, it would quote them saying "we voted leave". Theres a bunch of articles like that. This one doesn't. It says that a person who quite absolutely rightly was worried about brexit thought getting a deal meant they wouldn't be hosed like they had worried. But they got hosed. And now they have to fire people. People lose their jobs. We are hosed. But idiots in here are so super keen to read and crow about someone they think they are superior to getting it wrong that they can't be bothered or aren't capable of reading and understanding what an article actually means. You might not know what to say and that might be for the best.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:16
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Comrade Fakename posted:Without Scotland, I’d say that we’d likely have Tory rule in the rUK for another couple of decades, probably until the boomers really start dying off en masse. Good post otherwise but good lord what do you think the livespan of human beings is? Absolute gen x erasure itt
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Jan 24, 2021 01:17
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big scary monsters posted:If Greater Manchester had had a popular independence movement for the last 50 years or so and regularly elected Mancunian Independence MPs then it probably wouldn't seem so outrageous - who knows, maybe the NIP will be there in a few decades. You don't have to like the SNP - we all know ITT that they're pretty poo poo - or think that Scotland out of the UK would be a good thing overall. But the SNP's entire raison d'être is Scottish independence and they've been the largest party in the Scottish Parliament since 2007 and returned the most Scottish MPs since 2015. That's about as legitimate as our parliamentary system can really get. I don't know what more you could ask for to legitimise an independence movement, the return of the Jacobite pretender and an armed uprising? Bourgeois parliamentary systems are not particularly legitimate as they are centres for the ruling class to organise their own affairs but even in this matter it's not a real vindication. Tory parliamentary majorities in the UK are seen as signs of oppression while SNP parliamentary majorities in Scotland are seen as signs of liberation - that cannot be explained by bourgeois electoral logic and that is my point. Scotland wants to be independent, that's fine and well within their right to want and to achieve it. My issue is one of enthusiasm - what does it change for the working class and how does it strengthen the international working class movement? Yearning for a more local bourgeoisie to ignore your needs is the same logic as inspired Brexit and fails to generate any real positivity towards it in me for the same reason. forkboy84 posted:No, the assumption of this logic is that a Scottish independence movement exists in a meaningful way, with an active base in Holyrood to go from, where as a North Britain independence movement doesn't exist & can't be jumped on to get away from the Home Counties death cult. I'm not a Scottish nationalist, I just can't loving hack being part of this miserable union anymore. If there was an independence movement where every Tory UDI'd & hosed off to Sealand I would support that. But it doesn't exist so I can only work with what exists. As I said above, your desire for seperatism is legitimate and your desire for meaningful change inspiring but what is the connection between the two? The rhetoric is based around pouring deserved scorn on Westminster but then drops the ball with unspecific 'we can rule our own affairs better!'. Who is 'we' in this case? Without that being specified and meaningfully organised it'll be the SNP and Scottish capitalism and so it is hard to really see what is being achieved.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:20
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yeah, you don't get it. His business is based in Ely. I'm pretty sure that alone makes him a oval office.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:25
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Fellow was also quoted in the Observer article linked from the first article "Moss said it was now clear that Brexit was not about winning back control from the EU but investing in it to survive." And 'Winning back control from the EU' sounded like someone who had swallowed the Brexit bullshit wholesale, but maybe I just don't get it.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:30
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Vitamin P posted:Good post otherwise but good lord what do you think the livespan of human beings is? Absolute gen x erasure itt If you think the vast majority of Generation X won't become dead-eyed Randroids worse than any boomer the second they inherit their parents houses then you've really not met many of them.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:31
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Vitamin P posted:Good post otherwise but good lord what do you think the livespan of human beings is? Absolute gen x erasure itt ??? There is a big age range for Boomers, but an average of mid-60s is fairly reasonable. That gives them about 20 years. Obviously their numbers will thin as time goes on, but without Scotland we’ll need way more of them to die.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:33
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Fellow was also quoted in the Observer article linked from the first article Maybe. kingturnip posted:His business is based in Ely. I'm pretty sure that alone makes him a oval office. Brilliant. Thanks for that.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:37
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yeah, you don't get it. Someone a few pages back coined Brexitfreude. We're going to get a lot of that in 2021 whether warranted or not.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:40
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namesake posted:Bourgeois parliamentary systems are not particularly legitimate as they are centres for the ruling class to organise their own affairs but even in this matter it's not a real vindication. Tory parliamentary majorities in the UK are seen as signs of oppression while SNP parliamentary majorities in Scotland are seen as signs of liberation - that cannot be explained by bourgeois electoral logic and that is my point. Maybe I misunderstood, your last post seemed more like it was talking about drawing legitimacy from within the parliamentary system. If you're after abandoning that and ending bourgeois rule as a whole then of course that would be preferable - I'd imagine there are plenty of people here who're pro-independence because that's all that's on offer, but would rather just not have nation states at all. Your question of whether an independent Scotland is actually any better is reasonable and I don't know the answer. But I think, lacking a working class revolution, it's still a legitimate choice to consider.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:43
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yeah I know when something happens to me which is bad but could have been worse my first impulse is to crack open the bubbly
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Jan 24, 2021 01:47
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Its no surprise to me that you don't really have much experience of celebration.
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Jan 24, 2021 01:52
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quote:all Moss wants is honesty. “After everything, I just want somebody to tell me that Brexit is not about making Britain great again, not about empowering us, not about giving us back our sovereignty.” I'll do this for a fee.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:02
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stev posted:Someone a few pages back coined Brexitfreude. We're going to get a lot of that in 2021 whether warranted or not. Schengenfreude surely.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:05
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Maybe. His business is based in a constituency that voted Leave. He runs a small business - small business were more likely to vote Leave than Remain. There's a loving quote from him with the same language used by every Vote Leave asshat whose words were ever recorded by a journalist on the subject of Brexit. And yet, you remain unconvinced.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:11
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Comrade Fakename posted:??? There is a big age range for Boomers, but an average of mid-60s is fairly reasonable. That gives them about 20 years. Obviously their numbers will thin as time goes on, but without Scotland we’ll need way more of them to die. I'm a boomer/x-er cusp depending on which definition of the generations you read.
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Xoomers. Apparently the worst ever according to bad memes that assume that everyone is a white middle class American.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:17
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kingturnip posted:His business is based in Ely. I'm pretty sure that alone makes him a oval office. What's it like to live in Ely?
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Jan 24, 2021 02:19
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I visited Ely the one time and my impressions were: lol this is not a city; why did they build this town on a swamp; I think Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers lives here?* *apparently he doesn't any more, died of covid
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Jan 24, 2021 02:29
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:what the gently caress I've been to Buckfast Abbey. Not a mention of Buckfast anywhere, like they'd memory-holed it. Except for a few bottles in the gift shop, in a corner. Nice place actually, very well tended - lovely gardens
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Guavanaut posted:Xoomers. Apparently the worst ever according to bad memes that assume that everyone is a white middle class American. I can absolutely guarantee I was not born into wealth! Dad's annual income in the mid-late 60s was £800 at a time when the average income of a manual worker was about £1100 and we lived in tied accommodation. Eventually he did teacher training (when you didn't need a degree to do it) and was a teacher for a few years so was able to buy a house in 1971 and luckily he did because within a few months there was one of those ginormous increases in house prices which would have put it out of his reach for ever. If it hadn't been for university grants (And yes, I am very lucky in that respect), I would never have been able to go to university.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If you think the vast majority of Generation X won't become dead-eyed Randroids worse than any boomer the second they inherit their parents houses then you've really not met many of them. This does raise the question of how much wealth in the UK is heritable, though.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:53
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Shocking. DVLA in Swansea - over 500 cases of covid, staff afraid to be named, told to turn off track & trace app so it doesn't ping, sickness absences (including covid) over 10 days triggering a warning. Plus, of course (in linked article) DVLA management insisting worker health very important. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/23/minister-faces-fury-over-mass-covid-outbreak-at-top-government-agency quote:Ministers are at the centre of an explosive row over their failure to protect workers from Covid-19 as the Observer reveals the largest workplace outbreak of the virus has taken place at a top government organisation.
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Jan 24, 2021 02:56
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How is it legal to give someone a warning over sick leave? What the gently caress.
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big scary monsters posted:How is it legal to give someone a warning over sick leave? What the gently caress. true all over the NHS too
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big scary monsters posted:How is it legal to give someone a warning over sick leave? What the gently caress. Used to be after 5 days in the railway. I had an operation (private - paid for by NR insurance - I was rather ill and my GP was bloody useless 'it's your age deary') and was off for 2 weeks* and had to have a 'back to work' interview. *should have taken a couple weeks longer but was too bloody driven by 'duty' and 'responsibility' and it was what ultimately culminated in becoming very sick with stress indeed following months and months of undiagnosed problem prior to operation and finally quitting work. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 03:09
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Maybe it's an entirely standard thing and I just never really noticed it in my employment contracts, but that all seems completely deranged. Just choosing to be ill for 9 days or fewer for my employer's convenience.
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Jan 24, 2021 03:19
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One of the most stupid things is: if you are off for 3 days in a row, that's 'one instance' but if you are off for 3 separate days that's 3 instances (and the 'on report' conditions give a 'either x days or y instances' type kick in frame). No recognition that you might be 'soldiering on' and should probably have had 3 x 3 days instead of the 3 separate days! Also no recognition that for some women, period pain can be so crazy bad that having a day a month off is entirely understandable when you feel like your insides are doing their best to crawl out of the relevant orifice. What was interesting, living in Egypt and knowing several Egyptian male managers, they had no qualms at all about authorising women's sick leave for periods and considered it perfectly acceptable!
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Jan 24, 2021 03:28
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Buckfast's grand. Please ignore the fact that I'm from the west of Scotland when I say that.
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That was a night shift I'd rather not repeat. Moving a 20 meter piece of rail 60 meters with only 6 of us, a stress, changing sleepers, installing rail and shoveling 4 ton of ballast, first in sub zero temps then with heavy snow. Ballast is a pig to dig at the best of times but when it's been welded together by frost it's worse. My back is in pieces and I feel like I could sleep for a week. Think I'd happily drink a crate of Buckfast about now.
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