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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The best thing about flat earth is that one of the big figures in it, the guy who is the focus of the netflix documentary, sometimes does videos with this other flat-earth person who is a hot woman, and the guy’s entire audience thinks that she’s a cia agent sent to seduce and discredit him. But none of that has shaken her confidence in flat earth. And one of the big reasons they think she is CIA is because her name is Patricia (or something like that, its been a while since I watched it)
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lol if you don't accept the truth of no trees on flat earth on giant ice ball earth
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90s Cringe Rock posted:lol if you don't accept the truth of no trees on flat earth on giant ice ball earth Dammit I was coming here to post about the Great Ice Ball Theory where earth is just a small flat area on a giant ice covered globe.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Dammit I was coming here to post about the Great Ice Ball Theory where earth is just a small flat area on a giant ice covered globe.
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Jan 25, 2021 17:53
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Guavanaut posted:Earth's surface area is thousands of times larger than Big Map will have you believe. Beyond the ice walls there's dozens more Earth-areas where sincere belief and troll-map become one. Wasn't this roughly the plot of the shonen series Toriko?
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The other bits of the far right are trying to recruit disillusioned qultists. They approve of the hate for Jews, immigrants and non-whites qanon is based on but think the followers have got an embarrassing amount of brain worms. They are trying to recruit them on parler with positive content about Hitler to turn them into proper fascists without the fantasy underground adrenochrome prisons and pizza obsession. Thanks to their failed attempt to force a coup by storming the capitol a lot of them have decided to abandon the political approach. Which shows you how violent their idea of the political approach is. https://www.ft.com/content/9dfdf457-a578-40f0-8d9b-f80057542d3f
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letthereberock posted:Does flat earth-ism generally coincide with other awful conspiracy theories? Because if it doesn’t, in 2021 I kind of want to give them a pass. It’s a sign of how the past four years has changed me that I’m kinda fine with “the Earth is a disk” as long as it’s not “the Earth is a disk, therefore we must make Trump President for life and execute all gay people”
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Froghammer posted:Flat Earth is a gateway drug to Chriatian Dominionism It's this, op
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Cornwind Evil posted:Wasn't this roughly the plot of the shonen series Toriko? It makes sense that people who travel in similar circles would think similarly. The mangaka who created Toriko is a pedophile convicted of child prostitution.
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Jan 25, 2021 19:11
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  Imagine having these luddites tell you "I don't know man that sounds ridiculous" The dorks that believe certain flights are made up by a global conspiracy to not reveal the Earth is flat because (???) 
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Cornwind Evil posted:Wasn't this roughly the plot of the shonen series Toriko? There's a final twist that I wasn't too big of a fan of, but the majority of the book is pretty cool.
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TulliusCicero posted:The dorks that believe certain flights are made up by a global conspiracy to not reveal the Earth is flat because (???) The most common belief is that it's just a form of control, to show that you're completely susceptible to government lies. There's other, weirder theories, like that certain flight paths would clearly show the giant ice walls surrounding the earth.
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Jan 25, 2021 20:38
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Guavanaut posted:Earth's surface area is thousands of times larger than Big Map will have you believe. Beyond the ice walls there's dozens more Earth-areas where sincere belief and troll-map become one. Isn't this one of the big plot twists of HunterXHunter? EDIT: beaten by a different manga lol Neo_Crimson fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Jan 25, 2021 20:41
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Twelve by Pies posted:The most common belief is that it's just a form of control, to show that you're completely susceptible to government lies. There's other, weirder theories, like that certain flight paths would clearly show the giant ice walls surrounding the earth. They are aware they can rent planes, yes?
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Jan 25, 2021 20:47
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Yeah, with government transponders in them. 
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Murgos posted:They are aware they can rent planes, yes? Every single pilot is in on the conspiracy. If you hire one they will simply fly you around in circles to give the illusion that you're going around the world. Yes, they actually believe this. You cannot get a pilots license without swearing to secrecy that the world is flat. And they enforce this. . . *somehow*.
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Oh okay that's even dumber than my thing, I was assuming that the argument would be that the FAA demands that all the instruments have a NASA chip in them so it looks like you're going round the world but in fact *butt farts* 
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The sheer ingeniousness and discipline involved in maintaining such a conspiracy would make it one of the greatest human achievements ever.
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Murgos posted:They are aware they can rent planes, yes? These people aren’t looking for answers because they already know “the truth.” Instead they’re looking for confirmation of their beliefs and anything that goes against it gets written off as part of the conspiracy. Like they’re working backwards from their conclusion, which they think is the absolute truth and completely correct, and then go backwards to justify it instead of the other way around. The Netflix documentary has a scene where they do an experiment to once and for all prove the world is flat. They bought an ultra expensive laser or something and sailed an observer with a target down a river. If they hold the target up at the same height as the laser, then this will prove the earth is flat because the laser will go in a straight line and hit the target. Except, it doesn’t, because of the curvature. They held the target up a bit higher and viola, the laser hits it at the calculated height it would based on a round earth. Instead of throwing in the towel and conceding they start immediately reasoning that the laser wasn’t powerful enough or that something else went wrong or that this experiment is flawed because of reasons. Renting a plane and flying it to the edge but not finding it? The pilot was in on it. The the GPS signals are lying because they’re controlled by the government. Etc etc. E: And while believing in a flat earth is “harmless,” you can see echoes of this type of thinking in non-harmless conspiracies like qanon. I think I saw a post in uspol where they thought that Trump and Biden has swapped bodies or something? Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jan 25, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:Oh okay that's even dumber than my thing, I was assuming that the argument would be that the FAA demands that all the instruments have a NASA chip in them so it looks like you're going round the world but in fact *butt farts* There's also like flights that are impossible on ye olde flat earthe, like the flight from Australia to Brazil would take like 36 hours if the earth was flat, so, therefore, all those flights are made up, and the passenger manifests, and the flight plans. The number of people involved and amount of ingenuity that it would take to cover up that the Earth is flat, it'd be like 90% of the people would have to be in on the "conspiracy". Because the conspiracy would have to proactively get ready when an invention comes out or something, and there are some things that we've been doing in a certain way historically to create records and such even before an invention or a theory. It's just mind-boggling. Q is frankly far more believable than flat earth. Like you personally can disprove flat earth on your own with a little work and a telescope.
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letthereberock posted:Does flat earth-ism generally coincide with other awful conspiracy theories? Because if it doesn’t, in 2021 I kind of want to give them a pass. It’s a sign of how the past four years has changed me that I’m kinda fine with “the Earth is a disk” as long as it’s not “the Earth is a disk, therefore we must make Trump President for life and execute all gay people” An inability to think critically, to separate fact from fiction, combined with a tendency to view everything through the lens of massive conspiracies by secret cabals, will always lead to bad places, even if it starts out with a relatively "harmless" conspiracy like flat earth-ism.
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I think there's something with desiring to be the hero that uncovers it all, being alienated from school, science, history etc and having mostly fictional references for how the world works. If you do this alone, it might be entertaining. If you're in group you get validation, belonging and other positive reinforcement which makes it much more involving. It's just a whirlpool of dumbness.
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Boris Galerkin posted:The Netflix documentary has a scene where they do an experiment to once and for all prove the world is flat. They bought an ultra expensive laser or something and sailed an observer with a target down a river. If they hold the target up at the same height as the laser, then this will prove the earth is flat because the laser will go in a straight line and hit the target. Except, it doesn’t, because of the curvature. They held the target up a bit higher and viola, the laser hits it at the calculated height it would based on a round earth. Instead of throwing in the towel and conceding they start immediately reasoning that the laser wasn’t powerful enough or that something else went wrong or that this experiment is flawed because of reasons. The leader of this group released a statement and while I cant remember all of it I do remember that when he addressed this experiment he said "obviously we weren't going to accept this result" which, really, tells you all you need to know.
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Vice did a thing on QAnon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsN96zE8FuE I'm actually a little curious how much Trump knew, or understood, about Q. He was a notoriously low information President and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his entire knowledgebase was "they like me".
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I've wondered that too. For a normal person, being praised and exalted for something you know isn't true has got to be stressful, because you know the truth will eventually get out and you're going to have a huge fall from grace. But Trump is both a sociopath and famously terrible at anticipating future problems, so it probably didn't bother him. I figure his lawyers told him to play dumb, but he at least had some sense of why the Q people like him, and they were useful insofar as they could help him get reelected.
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Wildeyes posted:I've wondered that too. For a normal person, being praised and exalted for something you know isn't true has got to be stressful, because you know the truth will eventually get out and you're going to have a huge fall from grace. But Trump is both a sociopath and famously terrible at anticipating future problems, so it probably didn't bother him. This is why I wouldn't be shocked if Trump starts winking more at it in future rallies. Someone's going to get in his ear about his wonderful accomplishments fighting the deep state and he's going to just internalize it.
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As much as he was on twitter, I’m sure he knew that they viewed him as a god and knew the basic narrative of “hero vs deep state.” He probably namesearched every day.
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Guavanaut posted:Depends why you need the earth to be flat. Basically what this dude just said. The way these things seem to work is that you start with "something I don't like knowing must not be true" and then you just extrapolate outward to find information that continues to confirm whatever belief it takes to reinforce that first thing and then find a branch leading to a second one that confirms the original idea. Once it starts, it's like liquid succumbing to gravity, finding the lowest level and the path of least resistance and then into a vast ocean of idiocy. Any number of rivers or single raindrops may have ultimately led there but, poo poo, how do you swim out of it at that point surrounded by water?
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Kaddish posted:I'm actually a little curious how much Trump knew, or understood, about Q. He was a notoriously low information President and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that his entire knowledgebase was "they like me". At the very least he was directly asked about it by a reporter who specifically mentioned Q, and said that part of it was that he was fighting against satanic pedophiles, and his response was just "Is that supposed to be a bad thing?" I can't imagine he went searching it out (he has zero intellectual curiosity) so I would imagine yeah, all he knew about it was they saw him as a hero fighting evil.
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HappyHippo posted:An inability to think critically, to separate fact from fiction, combined with a tendency to view everything through the lens of massive conspiracies by secret cabals, will always lead to bad places, even if it starts out with a relatively "harmless" conspiracy like flat earth-ism. The Nazis also believed in ostensibly harmless poo poo, like Inner Earth theory Just because a conspiracy belief system is dumb and "harmless" does not mean it is not a gateway to far more harmful ideologies. A lot of these idiots believe in Anti-semetism/ NWO poo poo that goes along with their already global conspiracy Hell I imagine Qanon and Flat Earth have quite a bit of crossover
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All conspiracies have crossover because if you’re loving stupid enough to buy into one of them you’re absolutely dumb enough to carry on down another rabbit hole or two.
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pseudanonymous posted:There's also like flights that are impossible on ye olde flat earthe, like the flight from Australia to Brazil would take like 36 hours if the earth was flat, so, therefore, all those flights are made up, and the passenger manifests, and the flight plans. I'm pretty sure Australia isn't real
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I just see flat eartherism as dogma fidelity virtue signaling. Like "I'm so in the camp that nothing is real let me tell you how not real it is." This, coincidentally happens not conflict whatsoever with fascist tendencies and goals, which require abandonment of reality generally and specifically. If you do the former that works, even if it's really the latter that's cared about.
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QAnon stuff has been spreading to Canada in the form of anti-vax + anti-lockdown protests but I haven't seen anything yet with notions of a 'deep state'. I wonder if there is an analogous movement here I'm just not familiar with? Maybe someone has some links?
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RadicalTranslation posted:QAnon stuff has been spreading to Canada in the form of anti-vax + anti-lockdown protests but I haven't seen anything yet with notions of a 'deep state'. I wonder if there is an analogous movement here I'm just not familiar with? Maybe someone has some links? Didn’t some weirdo drive a truck or van or something through the gates of Trudeau’s residence because of poo poo like this?
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pseudanonymous posted:There's also like flights that are impossible on ye olde flat earthe, like the flight from Australia to Brazil would take like 36 hours if the earth was flat, so, therefore, all those flights are made up, and the passenger manifests, and the flight plans. Another (poorly remembered) quote from that Netflix documentary: Even if I go up into outer space myself, and look over the earth. If I see a round earth it's because They make you wear a space helmet and They design the optics of the helmet.
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RadicalTranslation posted:QAnon stuff has been spreading to Canada in the form of anti-vax + anti-lockdown protests but I haven't seen anything yet with notions of a 'deep state'. I wonder if there is an analogous movement here I'm just not familiar with? Maybe someone has some links? I heard some talk about Canada secretly being controlled by a wealthy family of inbred British elites with ties to Epstein, but there's no way that's true...
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RadicalTranslation posted:QAnon stuff has been spreading to Canada in the form of anti-vax + anti-lockdown protests but I haven't seen anything yet with notions of a 'deep state'. I wonder if there is an analogous movement here I'm just not familiar with? Maybe someone has some links? Things are usually a bit more low key in Canada. "Quite shallow state" perhaps?
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Ola posted:Is that a fencing scar? That's a proper nazi. WW1 scar's. That's the one blessing of modern day facists. Germany was dealing with hardened war veterans who had turned fash . Thankfully we mostly just have larpers, who like to play dress up military.
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