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Nimmy posted:What exactly is the supposed rationale for the evil (non-Israeli... or do they count too, I can't keep track) Jews to start forest fires? To make Trump look bad? Historically a lot of antisemitism is basically just "they do it because they are evil because they reject christ and thus are agents of satan who just want good christians to suffer and bring their works to ruin" And modern antisemitism doesn't really diverge a lot from that when you get right into it. Especially when you get with the qanon stuff, it's literally just "bad stuff happens because evil people want it to happen because they are evil" Which is a necessary way of thinking for people who reject the concept of systemic problems. Racism cannot be inherent in the system, it has to be A Person doing A Racism because They Are A Racist and outside of that it can't exist, same is true for many wrongs in the world. And when you combine it with the idea that there is a god and that the god is great and good and doesn't want bad things to happen, you end up at the idea that bad things happen because people reject god and people who reject god do bad things because that is part of the rejection, because good things come from god and people who accept god do good things. A lot of it is just a completely different concept of how people and the world function, grounded in insane magical ideas.
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Nimmy posted:What exactly is the supposed rationale for the evil (non-Israeli... or do they count too, I can't keep track) Jews to start forest fires? To make Trump look bad?
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:No, Israel is great and one of the few unambiguously non-evil countries in the world. These are the globalist Jews. They're deliberately causing natural disasters in order to sell everyone on the lie that climate change is happening, so they can get rich off carbon taxes, and eventually kill 95% of the global population and enslave the survivors. You forgot the ((())). And however you type an Alex Jones voice.
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Nimmy posted:What exactly is the supposed rationale for the evil (non-Israeli... or do they count too, I can't keep track) Jews to start forest fires? To make Trump look bad? The idea is (((they're))) starting fires to 'create' evidence for the narrative that climate change is real. And climate change is a huge scam to give control over to the globalist elites via taxations and restrictions.
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xerxus posted:The idea is (((they're))) starting fires to 'create' evidence for the narrative that climate change is real. Ahhhhhh, gotcha. And if there is climate change, which there is not, then it is through God's will and/or natural forces. It's just insane to me that companies like Exxon have turned their own corporate dogma and well-being into a religious belief for so many. There's so much innovation in green energy that the economy will probably boom even more without fossil fuels, and yet... God, it's snowing in May, end times.
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Nimmy posted:Ahhhhhh, gotcha. And if there is climate change, which there is not, then it is through God's will and/or natural forces. Well if Exxon, you know, stopped lying and buying politicians etc.. and the economy was reorganized, at some point people would find out that they'd been lying all this time and putting all of humanity in jeopardy, people might want to do something to them for it.
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pseudanonymous posted:Well if Exxon, you know, stopped lying and buying politicians etc.. and the economy was reorganized, at some point people would find out that they'd been lying all this time and putting all of humanity in jeopardy, people might want to do something to them for it. I'm not confused about why Exxon wants to do this. I'm confused how it has been so loving successful. They weaved their bullshit into fringe evangelicalism and somehow it became literal religion for like 30% of the country. But yes, buying politicians has been a very effective strategy for decades.
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Nimmy posted:I'm not confused about why Exxon wants to do this. I'm confused how it has been so loving successful. They weaved their bullshit into fringe evangelicalism and somehow it became literal religion for like 30% of the country. But yes, buying politicians has been a very effective strategy for decades. Because the evangelical movement is morally bankrupt and they wanted to be bought? It doesn't seem like much of a mystery to me. I guess if you're saying it's surprising how stupid like 40% of Americans are, then yes, that is kind of baffling.
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It's not stupidity. They know, on some level, what they're doing. They just like racism and sexism and other bigotry because it puts them on top. They're ethically and morally bankrupt, like you said.
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Nimmy posted:I'm not confused about why Exxon wants to do this. I'm confused how it has been so loving successful. Its been successful because that "religious," attachment to fossil fuels is intimately interwoven with the White Supremacist narrative of American History. The stealing of land and the exploitation of its resources for personal profit is core to the American Dream for a ton of conservatives and fascists, and has been going all the way back to Manifest Destiny, if not the Colonial Period before that when you had poo poo like Bacon's Rebellion where less-rich colonists started an insurrection because their leaders wouldn't let them kill enough Natives. If you ban oil and replace it with something that is freely available to anyone like the sun or wind, how can I become a fabulously wealthy aristocrat when I find a big reservoir of oil in the giant chunk of empty Texas desert I bought? At the end of the day Resource Extraction exists in the American zeitgeist in the same mental space as Stock Trading, Corporate Ladder Climbing, Lottery Playing and Out-Of-My-Parents-Garage Entrepreneurship. They're get rich quick schemes for all the Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires. All of them are seen as quintessentially Individualistic and Meritocratic and therefore are the ideological ideal path to prosperity, and success in them can also easily be interpreted as a sign of your specialness in a spiritual sense because God (or karma, or destiny, or whatever) has given you the blessing of this thing that can make you instantly rich which you only got because of your unique circumstances, therefore you must be a good person. Prosperity Gospel meets American Exceptionalism.
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Sanguinia posted:At the end of the day Resource Extraction exists in the American zeitgeist in the same mental space as Stock Trading, Corporate Ladder Climbing, Lottery Playing and Out-Of-My-Parents-Garage Entrepreneurship. They're get rich quick schemes for all the Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires. All of them are seen as quintessentially Individualistic and Meritocratic and therefore are the ideological ideal path to prosperity, and success in them can also easily be interpreted as a sign of your specialness in a spiritual sense because God (or karma, or destiny, or whatever) has given you the blessing of this thing that can make you instantly rich which you only got because of your unique circumstances, therefore you must be a good person.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:No, Israel is great and one of the few unambiguously non-evil countries in the world. Sorry, but what level of irony are we on here?
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That is a position often adopted by both sides of the US political establishment.
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The base likes Israel because 1. they kill people the base is racist against and 2. they are necessary to bring about the christian apocalypse
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Sorry, but what level of irony are we on here? Being an Israeli nationalist is cool as long as you're not a globalist. The greatest sin in the view of conspiratorial nationalists is globalism - for the Alex Jones crowd, "globalist" is the absolute worst thing you can call someone. Globalism doesn't = Jews necessarily, just ask the average Infowars listener what they think of Bill Gates, or the Rockefellers, or the Pope. There's just a long history of equating the two so there are a lot of holdover tropes from older conspiracy culture that make it an easy jump to make, even accidentally.
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I'm a little confused as to whether these space lasers are Chinese or Jewish. Maybe there's multiple space lasers, or maybe there's a single space laser that they got on like a Time Share.
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You can tell because the Jewish space lasers have a Sabbath mode so they don't start any fires then.
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hooman posted:I'm a little confused as to whether these space lasers are Chinese or Jewish. Maybe it's all run by these guys?
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Okay if the Sino-Jewish space lasers start the fires, why do they burn so well for so long? Conditions still have to be abnormally dry and hot.
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hooman posted:I'm a little confused as to whether these space lasers are Chinese or Jewish. I'm pretty sure once you believe in jewish space lasers you also believe Jews Did Communism
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Really the problem is once you have a secret space laser why do you need any of the other conspiracy poo poo? 9/11? Space laser. Ben Ghazi? Space laser. Voter fraud? Space laser. You can do everything with a space laser.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Sorry, but what level of irony are we on here? Level Nightmare-Boojum-Violet
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Since nobody has actually laid out the conspiracy theory or explained why Jews have a space laser...The conspiracy theory about the fires was was that PG&E, which is owned by the Rothschilds (supposedly) secretly built a space based "clean energy" solar collector in orbit (supposedly). This collects solar energy, and transmits it down to earth in a beam. If the beam misses the solar collector, of course, that will start fires, and its an interesting coincidence that a bunch of fires, maybe started by a space laser, started in just the area where Jerry Brown and Diane Feinstein's husband want to build a high speed rail project.
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Epicurius posted:its an interesting coincidence that a bunch of fires, maybe started by a space laser, started in just the area where Jerry Brown and Diane Feinstein's husband want to build a high speed rail project. It’s almost like you’d build a high speed rail in undeveloped areas like forests that are also prone to out of control fires because nobody is there to notice them.
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Captain Monkey posted:It’s almost like you’d build a high speed rail in undeveloped areas like forests that are also prone to out of control fires because nobody is there to notice them. Yes. (Also the forest are that was on fire was in a different county than the proposed high speed rail location, but, eh, details).
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Some antisemites still think Israel is an evil country, but support it anyway because they kill other minorities that they hate, and also it's a matter of "Well we should send them all over there so they can get out of our country!" It's kind of like how I've heard there's actually occasionally some weird crossover between white and black supremacists because they both say "We want completely segregated countries."Nimmy posted:I'm not confused about why Exxon wants to do this. I'm confused how it has been so loving successful. They weaved their bullshit into fringe evangelicalism and somehow it became literal religion for like 30% of the country. People have already said a lot of the reasons and they're also true, but on top of that the idea of "Biblical literalism" is also partially to blame. I knew a guy on a forum over a decade ago that was a strong evangelical, and he would talk about how Revelation is a book of prophecy, and humans can't possibly drive themselves to extinction because humans have to exist for Revelation to be true. So he thought it was absurd that people thought there was any kind of danger in anything that was done to the environment, because it's impossible for us to ruin the planet. He even dismissed it by saying something like "Oh so you think God, in his omniscience, forgot to go 'Whoops, I didn't make it so they can't destroy the planet and might accidentally wipe themselves out!' Obviously the planet cannot be rendered uninhabitable." Rush Limbaugh has a sort of similar approach, he doesn't say "Climate change is impossible because God," but in all his rants on climate change he will say that it is impossible for humans to change the climate of the planet. Rush posted:For all of these years I have tried to beat the truth into people. Well, I haven’t beaten anybody. But, I mean, I have consistently attempted to point out that there is no man-made climate change. It’s not possible. We do not have that kind of power. He also praised Mo Brooks a while back for "totally destroying" the idea that humans are responsible for warming. quote:Almost all of Canada, almost all of Northern Europe, and almost all of America, north of the Missouri and Ohio rivers, east of New York City, were under glacial ice and uninhabitable 20,000 years ago. The gist of the experts’ opinions is that the Earth was too lightly populated by humans to make humanity responsible for the warming that has been going on for 20,000 years. This is one of the most brilliant ways of nuking this entire silly notion that man is destroying the planet that I have ever seen. And to a lot of people the idea that the planet can't be affected on a global scale by humans sounds persuasive. Hey, the planet is a big, huge place. It's been around a long time. How could humans possibly affect something so old and enormous? It's also kind of a way of absolving themselves of any responsibility. How could something I do be harming the planet? I'm only one person!
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Kavak posted:Okay if the Sino-Jewish space lasers start the fires, why do they burn so well for so long? Conditions still have to be abnormally dry and hot. Well, they thought they only had 1 night of space oil left. But a miracle happened and the Camp fire burned for 8, er 17 days and nights
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OwlFancier posted:Really the problem is once you have a secret space laser why do you need any of the other conspiracy poo poo? 9/11? Space laser. Ben Ghazi? Space laser. Voter fraud? Space laser. You can do everything with a space laser. Tell me more about this space laser. Can I invest in it? What are my returns expected to look like? Risk?
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Twelve by Pies posted:Some antisemites still think Israel is an evil country, but support it anyway because they kill other minorities that they hate, and also it's a matter of "Well we should send them all over there so they can get out of our country!" It's kind of like how I've heard there's actually occasionally some weird crossover between white and black supremacists because they both say "We want completely segregated countries." These are the people you can tell never actually read Revelations, seeing as it has a fair amount of the planet itself going to absolute poo poo, and it's not even all that figurative about it. Stuff like everything in the ocean dying, for instance. But they're also the people who think "stewardship over the earth" means they can gently caress everything up without consequence because they're like spoiled children convinced daddy God will clean up after them.
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At least get the name of the book right when you're posting your whining nu-atheist sky daddy rants.
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kartikeya posted:These are the people you can tell never actually read Revelations, seeing as it has a fair amount of the planet itself going to absolute poo poo, and it's not even all that figurative about it. Stuff like everything in the ocean dying, for instance. But they're also the people who think "stewardship over the earth" means they can gently caress everything up without consequence because they're like spoiled children convinced daddy God will clean up after them. Similarly these people get hung up over everything being a possible Mark Of The Beast when the point is not "The devil tricked you into wearing something" It's swearing loyalty to something that is visibly Not God. Like a hat that bears the well known and instantly recognizable slogan of an earthly politician and making that a core tenet of your identity as a person 
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The great thing about this thread is if you listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast they do a great takedown of Alex Jones and how he meekly tried to placate the insurrectionists despite agitating for an insurrection for months leading up to Jan 6th. Trump donor, Alex Jones played key role in Jan. 6 rally No, that was instigated by the President. quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan   quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan quote:To: Stravinsky
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kik2dagroin posted:The great thing about this thread is if you listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast they do a great takedown of Alex Jones and how he meekly tried to placate the insurrectionists despite agitating for an insurrection for months leading up to Jan 6th. Is it weird that the one thing that sticks out to me the most is this sig line? I am trying to figure out what it could refer to, and each idea seems delightfully more insane than the last: quote:TX all you have to do is send an email to principal with a witness included on the communication.
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OwlFancier posted:That's a questline from fallout new vegas. And it would happen with the microwave power plant in Sim City 2000.
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