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Bilirubin posted:Just hit Hard Time on our rewatch of DS9. I'm now thoroughly depressed As someone with depression, Hard Time was really hard for me to watch.
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all things considered, man did the romulans make a good loving call when they got the federation to abstain from working on cloaking tech as part of that treaty
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Feb 4, 2021 08:26
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Verviticus posted:all things considered, man did the romulans make a good loving call when they got the federation to abstain from working on cloaking tech as part of that treaty I really sincerely hope that the second after Romulus blew up, the Federation President and Starfleet CIC called the Romulan ambassador into their office, had the Treaty of Algernon on the desk with a red pen laid out across it and just went "So..."
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Feb 4, 2021 08:28
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Verviticus posted:all things considered, man did the romulans make a good loving call when they got the federation to abstain from working on cloaking tech as part of that treaty I mean, did they? Romulans put all their effort into upgrading their cloaking tech, which means that they have ships that are almost but not quite invisible when used against the federation - all that investment but they've just been treading water the whole time. The federation, on the other hand, spent the entire arms race upgrading their sensors, and now in addition to seeing romulan warbirds, their ships can detect a fly farting in a different solar system.
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Feb 4, 2021 08:44
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The federation should have kept working on the phasing tech, but without cloaking. Imagine going into any battle and all your disruptor blasts go straight through the other ship.
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Feb 4, 2021 08:47
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Cojawfee posted:The federation should have kept working on the phasing tech, but without cloaking. Imagine going into any battle and all your disruptor blasts go straight through the other ship. Maybe the phasing tech is easily countered with phasers.
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Feb 4, 2021 09:04
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Tunicate posted:I mean, did they? Also the trade off seems to be in order to get near-perfect/perfect cloak tech, a ship needs to be gigantic to house the power plant and secondary tech to pull it off. The Scimitar, for example, was able to balance weapons, shields, and cloaking tech, was literally invisible to all forms of detection, and was like 4x the size of the Enterprise-E to the point where it was almost prohibitively gigantic and unreproduceable. And D'Deridexes were like twice the size of the Enterprise-D.
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Feb 4, 2021 09:17
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We also don't know what restrictions were placed on the Romulans; presumably the treaty isn't just "Article One: NO CLOAKS FOR HUMANS. The end!"
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Feb 4, 2021 09:38
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Hidden in a subparagraph on page 715, in very small font, is “In the event of Hobus Star supernova in the future, the Federation reserves the right to drag it’s feet and/or go back on it’s promise with regards to evacuating Romulus.” Checkmate, Romulan Star Empire!
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Feb 4, 2021 09:42
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The Tomed Incident and the Treaty of Algeron seem to have precipicated the part where the Romuans just stopped interacting with the Federation at all for a century, so part of it may well have been 'if you don't develop cloaks so we can be sure you're not intruding on us secretly, we'll just ignore your entire direction and only expand on the other side.'nine-gear crow posted:I really sincerely hope that the second after Romulus blew up, the Federation President and Starfleet CIC called the Romulan ambassador into their office, had the Treaty of Algernon on the desk with a red pen laid out across it and just went "So..." The Romulan Star Empire doesn't really exist much as a state by Picard so the treaty may be null and void anyway. The Cube is under the Romulan Free State. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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Feb 4, 2021 09:47
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Seven talks about the 'former Neutral Zone' in Picard too, so it does seem like the Free State isn't a legal successor to the Romulan Star Empire, so all treaties with the latter are no longer in effect.
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Feb 4, 2021 10:01
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Young Old Picard out there lookin’ like Tony Khan. CAPTAIN PICARD IS ALL ELITE 
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Feb 4, 2021 12:13
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Riker's Ctrl+V fleet moment refers directly to the Treaty of Algeron when he issues his ultimatum to So. Presumably this means there are two Romulan governments -- the Free State, which controls the Cube, and the Star Empire which still exists as a junta or something and which is still bound to the treaty, at least in name. Basically STO. Turns out PIC is bad at worldbuilding.
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Feb 4, 2021 12:38
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Drone posted:Riker's Ctrl+V fleet moment refers directly to the Treaty of Algeron when he issues his ultimatum to So. Presumably this means there are two Romulan governments -- the Free State, which controls the Cube, and the Star Empire which still exists as a junta or something and which is still bound to the treaty, at least in name. Basically STO. I think the Free State is the Romulan Government as of Picard, because both Narek and Narissa were operating freely and openly on the Cube as Tal Shiar agents with government authority. So the Tal Shiar is still around and recognized as an arm of the Free State’s government. Though it really wouldn’t surprise me if Romulus getting fragged just broke the Star Empire into a ton of tiny bandit kingdoms and the Federation has to deal with all of them on an ad hoc basis while still trying to hold them to the single unified standards of the old Star Empire.
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Feb 4, 2021 12:53
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nine-gear crow posted:I think the Free State is the Romulan Government as of Picard, because both Narek and Narissa were operating freely and openly on the Cube as Tal Shiar agents with government authority. So the Tal Shiar is still around and recognized as an arm of the Free State’s government. Could kinda be neat if it were sorta both. A fractured Romulan empire with warlordism and separate, conflicting governments claiming to be the true successor.... with the one thing binding them all together being the presence of the Tal Shiar in each of them.
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Feb 4, 2021 13:02
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Drone posted:Could kinda be neat if it were sorta both. A fractured Romulan empire with warlordism and separate, conflicting governments claiming to be the true successor.... with the one thing binding them all together being the presence of the Tal Shiar in each of them. It would also be amazingly on brand if the only thing actually coordinating between those fractured states was the Tal Shiar itself.
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Feb 4, 2021 13:12
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Cojawfee posted:The federation should have kept working on the phasing tech, but without cloaking. Imagine going into any battle and all your disruptor blasts go straight through the other ship. Yeah but all the crew members who were in the path of that disruptor blast are now blind.
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Feb 4, 2021 16:09
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Shyrka posted:Yeah but all the crew members who were in the path of that disruptor blast are now blind. Not if you tune the optilon field emitters correctly, dummy.
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Feb 4, 2021 18:15
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Technowolf posted:As someone with depression, Hard Time was really hard for me to watch. Star Trek Mercerism, but instead of Mercer plodding along having rocks thrown at him, its O'Brien Milesism
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Feb 4, 2021 18:19
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Gonz posted:Hidden in a subparagraph on page 715, in very small font, is “In the event of Hobus Star supernova in the future, the Federation reserves the right to drag it’s feet and/or go back on it’s promise with regards to evacuating Romulus.” "hahaha, assholes, we blew up our own star too!"
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Feb 4, 2021 18:37
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BonHair posted:Watching the two good Star Wars movies You an Emp/Jedi guy or a New/Emp guy?
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Feb 4, 2021 18:58
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I don't really care about the post-90s canon, but was there ever a satisfactory explanation as to how their home star managed to go supernova without anyone being aware in time to prevent it or fully evacuate?
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Feb 4, 2021 18:59
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Khanstant posted:You an Emp/Jedi guy or a New/Emp guy? Christmas special/phantom menace. But seriously, Jedi is the first of many bad Star Wars movies. I haven't watched Picard yet, but I love the idea of a fractured romulan empire, where all the various groups sees themselves as the legitimate heir, and thus subject to the tal shiar controlling them live they always have, and effectively leaving the secret police being in charge of everything.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:04
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I'm not a Jedi guy either, that's why I got my hopes up when you said 2. Also what you described is more interesting than what we get in Picard so don't go imagineering a better show than the one you'll eventually watch.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:12
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multijoe posted:I don't really care about the post-90s canon, but was there ever a satisfactory explanation as to how their home star managed to go supernova without anyone being aware in time to prevent it or fully evacuate? before picard it was a neighboring star having a space wedgie picard made it the romulan sun because 
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Feb 4, 2021 19:13
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Khanstant posted:I'm not a Jedi guy either, that's why I got my hopes up when you said 2. The Star Wars trilogy is Rogue One, New Hope, Empire and then there aren't any other movies.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:20
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In the star trek universe stars can randomly explode for no reason. There's no way to detect when a star is going to randomly go nova. Unlike reality where we can identify stars that are likely to go supernova any minute now* with our existing technology. *(any minute now, +/- a few million years.)
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Feb 4, 2021 19:21
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Cojawfee posted:The Star Wars trilogy is Rogue One, New Hope, Empire and then there aren't any other movies. Rogue One seems like the most offensive of them all since it directly modifies the original movie and makes it farcical (also just morally, not cool with disney puppeting the dead, there is no hell but having your image suddenly be working for disney beyond the grave is so deeply hosed up and the world just shrugged). Just making Leia caught so red-handed is a little ridiculous, like, before it was like there was espionage and intrigue before Leia, instead now she's just flat out caught fleeing the scene of a crime and Vader fuckin saw the thumbdrive they stuck the plans out... which is itself was another detriment. Changed his original first appearance by giving it a preamble where he does a raver lightshow while gooftroopers play hot-potato with the plans but Vader is too busy letting some goober at ILM throw red lights everywhere as if special effects are still impressive. IDK chop off the last twenty minutes or so of Rogue One and undo the necromancy and I could meet you halfway.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:28
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The Saddest Robot posted:In the star trek universe stars can randomly explode for no reason. There's no way to detect when a star is going to randomly go nova. If a star goes nova with no obvious reason it means the Q are fighting again. You'd think they could just fix the stars after they're done fighting but they're kind of lovely.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:30
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Jedi is good, y'all haters.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:35
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The Saddest Robot posted:In the star trek universe stars can randomly explode for no reason. There's no way to detect when a star is going to randomly go nova. The star in Half a Life was predicted to die, as was the replacement star they hosed up. Also Burnham wanted to stay at the outpost where her parents were killed to see a star go nova I think. My point is that they clearly can predict stars dying, it's just inconsistent writing and/or unexplained romulan pride/incompetence/denial. Or a secret plot to be revealed later I guess.
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Feb 4, 2021 19:40
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it was a tal shiar plot
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Feb 4, 2021 19:43
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It's not exactly out of character for them, is it?
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Feb 4, 2021 19:50
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I kinda appreciate that when STO did their own take on an explanation, they started off by having a character straight-up say "even by the loopy standards of Trek astrophysics, nothing about Hobus makes any goddamn sense. The explanation they go for (Tal Shiar experimenting with a "communications device" given to them by the Iconians, who did it because they're still salty as hell over losing Iconia countless millennia ago) is reasonable enough by Trek standards, and it sets up a lot of the various conflicts in the game.
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Drone posted:Jedi is good, y'all haters. Jedi is fuckin' awesome. Old man commandos, swordfight with intermission and all.
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Feb 4, 2021 20:09
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raverrn posted:Jedi is fuckin' awesome. Old man commandos, swordfight with intermission and all. Counterpoint: ewoks. Yoda's crazy old hermit act becoming his actual personality. Cartoonishly evil emperor. Way too long battle scenes, on the moon and especially in space. Is Star Trek online actually good if I have no particular interest in the MMO aspect of the game, but just my Trek loreb fix?
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Feb 4, 2021 20:16
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BonHair posted:Cartoonishly evil emperor. Sorry but if you can't appreciate Ian McDiarmid's blatant and brilliant scenery-chewing, I can't help you. It's the most campy thing about Star Wars and subsequently one of the best things about it.
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Feb 4, 2021 20:21
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BonHair posted:Is Star Trek online actually good if I have no particular interest in the MMO aspect of the game, but just my Trek loreb fix? It's kind of fun. I haven't played in several years, but when I did it was just shoot at things until number goes down enough that the thing dies. If you don't like MMOs, it's not great. If you don't mind MMOs, it is probably ok.
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Feb 4, 2021 20:40
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STO is worth playing for the later missions that are voiced by Trek actors reprising their roles, but the endgame stuff is just a horrible monotonous grind. Even the space stuff is just “shoot mans” ad infinitum.
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BonHair posted:Counterpoint: ewoks. Yoda's crazy old hermit act becoming his actual personality. Cartoonishly evil emperor. Way too long battle scenes, on the moon and especially in space. I tried it when it went F2P and again recently after watching TNG. It’s... alright to pretty decent. Space combat and all the fiddly character builds you can do is good. If you like trek and okayish MMOs and have some free time, it costs nothing.
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