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Twelve by Pies posted:Wait, you haven't seen Jack Chick's tract about the evils of D&D, titled Dark Dungeons? You really should check it out. This is brilliant. I love their imaginative interpretation of how involved D&D really is. I like to roleplay as much as the next nerd, but come on the full extent of casting a spell is literally 'roll a dice and if you get above x it might do this thing'. I had a friend at school who went to baptist church and he showed me a similar comic about Harry Potter. These kids read the book, decided to try doing magic irl and summoned a demon. Pretty poor fanfic because that doesn't even happen in Harry Potter.
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If kids read Harry Potter, try doing magic and summon a demon, and the demon goes on a huge transphobic rant, is that good or bad in evangelical world?
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Ambitious Spider posted:I still love when they rereleased Mazes and Monsters to look like a Da Vinci Code style thriller: Mazes and Monsters is incredible. I believe they received money from the New York tourism board for showing off the interiors of the WTC or got to film there for free as much as they wanted as long as they showed off the building.
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Murgos posted:Anyone who braves the CHUD safe spaces know how they are reacting to Liz Cheney not getting axed? Are they frothing over all the RINOS daring to disobey the GEOTUS? it was a secret ballot, so lots of posts on patriots.win about how they're calling up their reps and demanding to know how they voted, whining that the vote was clearly rigged because there can't be so many RINOs in congress, or crying about how they've been betrayed just like Trump was a small selection, there's another several dozen of threads like this  
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Clarste posted:It's basically synonymous with "satan worshiper" in their minds, as far as I can tell. well thats also "the worst possible thing" for the weird conservative boomer/evangelical types. crazyvanman posted:This is brilliant. I love their imaginative interpretation of how involved D&D really is. I like to roleplay as much as the next nerd, but come on the full extent of casting a spell is literally 'roll a dice and if you get above x it might do this thing'. the magic being real poo poo with evaglical types has always amused me, espically the cop out of "well it doesnt effect believers like us" as an excuse of why they dont see it. at least until some con artist types tells some grand lie about how a giant Shiva made him king of the Satanists or whatever
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Just because I knew it was out there (though it was extremely difficult to find), there is a long essay on the evils of Dungeons and Dragons on Jack Chick's site, written by a man named William Schnoebelen. It's interesting because in the course of the essay, he drops many claims that seem a little farfetched. Namely he repeatedly claims that he was part of a satanic cult, that he was a witch high priest, and at one point he also claims that he worked with the game writers for D&D. https://www.chick.com/Information/article?id=Should-A-Christian-Play-Dungeons-and-Dragons So here are just some fun quotes from the article: quote:We are told in one of the game handbooks: "The character's alignment is a guide to his basic moral and ethical attitudes towards others, society, good and evil, and the forces of the universe in general."4 That sounds straightforward enough. However, you need to realize that quite often, players will pick an alignment that is more evil or chaotic because it is more "intriguing." quote:Other than the magic issue, as we have seen, the overall morality of the D&D universe is pragmatism at best and amoral at worst. "Might makes right" seems to be the rule. You are to take treasure or magic away from other players using whatever means are available, including force, magic, intimidation, coercion or negotiation). Inter party conflict isn't really encouraged by D&D and in fact most good DMs discourage it so claiming that D&D tells the player "gently caress over your own party members!" is pretty ridiculous and anyone who tried it would either be rerolling characters constantly or just kicked out of the group. quote:Additionally, the games are very violent. John Eric Holmes, a doctor and editor of the "Dungeons and Dragons Basic Set" believes that the game can be a healthy outlet for anti-social behavior. However, he remarks that "The level of violence in this make believe world runs high. There is hardly a game in which the players do not indulge in murder, arson, torture, rape or highway robbery." What the hell kind of group was this guy playing with? quote:For example, there is now a whole line of materials based on the hellish H.P. Lovecraft Cthulhu mythos, a form of magic that we practiced in the darkest days of our satanic career - a system of magic prominently featured in THE SATANIC RITUALS by Anton LaVey! Yes, this guy is claiming he worshiped The Old Ones. quote:Defenders of D&D often complain that it is only a game. Playing chicken with cars is "only a game" until someone gets killed. So is Russian roulette! I am frequently told to "get a life" or write about something more important than D&D, like social justice or world hunger. The devil would sure like that. quote:One D&D defender wrote, "When I play the game, I might roll the dice and - depending on the result - state that 'I cast an invisibility spell.'" His point was, how is that like "real magic?" In mental or hermetic magic, it is EXACTLY like real magic (except of course for the dice)! It is all in the intent - in the mind. It is not in whether or not you are waving a sword around! Wizards don't wave swords around to cast spells! They're not even proficient in martial weaponry! quote:Most murders originate in domestic disputes or domestic violence OR are crime or gang-related. The large majority of murders are committed either by older people (20's to 30's) with limited income and education OR by gang members and other criminals such as drug dealers. Without wishing to appear racist, it is also true that people who are non-white commit a significant majority of these murders. quote:For a Christian youth (or adult) to fill their minds with all this occult (and pseudo-occult) gibberish is an insult to the God Who made that mind. How can they take every thought captive in obedience to Christ (see above) when they have to memorize "Phezult's Sleep of Ages" spell? Most peoples' minds can only hold so much detail. Sooner or later, all of this complicated eldritch verbiage is going to crowd out the scripture verses and Sunday school lessons these young people may have absorbed. When I play D&D the hardest part is memorizing the spells, which I, the player and not the character, have to do, and then they push other things I've learned out of my brain. quote:He is also pretty ignorant about hard-core occultism, as mentioned earlier, when he mocks the Necronomicon and claims it is entirely fictional. It is not, and its use (even in part) has led to the destruction of many young minds and souls. I have personally watched it happen. This part just reminds me of the "Beyond Believability" sketch by Niel Cicierega. "It's true. Similar events occurred. I saw it."
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crazyvanman posted:This is brilliant. I love their imaginative interpretation of how involved D&D really is. I like to roleplay as much as the next nerd, but come on the full extent of casting a spell is literally 'roll a dice and if you get above x it might do this thing'. In terms of game mechanics that's true, but in most games and stories involving magic, learning to cast spells is described as an arduous process ('wild magic' exceptions tend to have snags like being unpredictable, or damaging to your sanity). Whether you're a white-light purist or a torture mage, magic involves specialisation, and mastery takes time. That's not quite how it works in religious tracts. Here, there's a perennial theme, detectable at least as early as the legend of Faust, that the key to the sorcerous big time is signing up to evil. Faust spends years studying magic until he can summon a demon at will, but true power is unlocked by simply agreeing to sell his soul. You can see the same idea at work in Debbie's weird, sneering expression in the Chick tract. Either Debbie went bad, and magic now works for her because she Deliberately Chose Evil, or she was foolish, and the moment her first spell worked, it also morally corrupted her. The reason is pretty obviously to flatter the morals and sense of us ordinary joes -- great power (or a potion like adrenochrome) could be ours, but we are too good and/or sensible to touch it. Edit: I stand somewhat corrected, The amazing arguments dug up by Twelvebypies' internet excavations aren't terribly self-consistent, but the first of the two snippets below is a rare incidence of 'reasons to to study magic -- it's mentally taxing and takes up time you could be studying something else': William Schnoebelen posted:For a Christian youth (or adult) to fill their minds with all this occult (and pseudo-occult) gibberish is an insult to the God Who made that mind. How can they take every thought captive in obedience to Christ (see above) when they have to memorize "Phezult's Sleep of Ages" spell? Most peoples' minds can only hold so much detail. Sooner or later, all of this complicated eldritch verbiage is going to crowd out the scripture verses and Sunday school lessons these young people may have absorbed. OK, so magic is actually tough to learn... William Schnoebelen posted:One D&D defender wrote, "When I play the game, I might roll the dice and - depending on the result - state that 'I cast an invisibility spell.'" His point was, how is that like "real magic?" In mental or hermetic magic, it is EXACTLY like real magic (except of course for the dice)! It is all in the intent - in the mind. It is not in whether or not you are waving a sword around! ...oh, right. Except when it's not. Carnival of Shrews fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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The Chairman posted:realtalk, there's only really three outcomes of what you're trying to do Duely noted I'm trying to test a theory
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Twelve by Pies posted:Just because I knew it was out there (though it was extremely difficult to find), there is a long essay on the evils of Dungeons and Dragons on Jack Chick's site, written by a man named William Schnoebelen. It's interesting because in the course of the essay, he drops many claims that seem a little farfetched. Namely he repeatedly claims that he was part of a satanic cult, that he was a witch high priest, and at one point he also claims that he worked with the game writers for D&D. Jokes on him I first got into DnD years after going pagan 
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Carnival of Shrews posted:In terms of game mechanics that's true, but in most games and stories involving magic, learning to cast spells is described as an arduous process ('wild magic' exceptions tend to have snags like being unpredictable, or damaging to your sanity). Whether you're a white-light purist or a torture mage, magic involves specialisation, and mastery takes time. I mean that's literally the Warlock class in D&D too.
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So there's a hypothetical on fallout here - how will this affect the pop culture landscape going forward? Is this going to make mainstream productions reluctant to have "shadowy government conspiracy" plotlines for any period of time? (Kinda famously, the Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attack apparently changed the ending of Evangelion and make Japan gun-shy towards the apocalyptic themes of anime, giving the rise of fluffy cute shows.) And, on the flip side, when are the Kirk Cameron-tier movies coming out about #stopTheSteal and QAnon in general? How much money are they going to scare up, and how funny/sad will they be to watch?
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I'd say less Kirk Cameron and more Dinesh D'Souza. As for the rest of your questions, pop culture and video games have already done this poo poo but most people considered MGS over the top 20 years ago so I dunno. If it shows up in games, I'd expect the Q types to be the bad guys.
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Easy to work Qultists into almost any World of Darkness game
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BiggerBoat posted:As for the rest of your questions, pop culture and video games have already done this poo poo but most people considered MGS over the top 20 years ago so I dunno. If it shows up in games, I'd expect the Q types to be the bad guys. NEXT had an episode where ripoff Skynet convinced a bunch of unnamed white supremacists on facebook that the heroes were part of the Deep State and the episode ended with the bombing of an FBI office 
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I am highly stregic
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd say less Kirk Cameron and more Dinesh D'Souza. It shouldn't be too hard to make them the bad guys, considering how the way they talk and type is comically supervillainish Now excuse me as I scrawl out "THE STORM IS UPON US. NO ONE CAN STOP WHAT IS COMING" in drippy blood letters
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i have spent ages looking for this, thanks
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd say less Kirk Cameron and more Dinesh D'Souza. i sorta expect it to be open season to make Chud/qanon types open baddies in video games, obviously it won't be trump obviously, but i have a feeling we might see less tip toeing around "hey those chud/right wing types are kinda loving awful" type deals like with far cry 5 and poo poo. that being said. that will probably be like 2022/2023 because of dev time and poo poo and it probably won't be the core subject of most of them. it will be more like division 2 where one of the big baddy factions are clearly facist millitia assholes and poo poo like that. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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The 90s were really a golden age for stories featuring villains in government and industry who were conservative bigots and religious zealots. 9/11 kind of killed that trend, but it definitely continued in real life.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The 90s were really a golden age for stories featuring villains in government and industry who were conservative bigots and religious zealots. 9/11 kind of killed that trend, but it definitely continued in real life. yeah and i could see this maybe kicking that fad off again.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Also god made the entire universe but is so weak that he can be defeated by dungeons and dragons books and ninja turtles toys. Well in God's defense Dungeons & Dragons is pretty awesome. Man, I need start reading the TRPG board.
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I dive through so my bullshit A is ogifub9hovicrvivicyc C (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:Also now a The story I heard about the movie was they bought the rights with the condition that they weren't allowed to parody or make fun of the material in any way. Of course, the entire premise is so absurd it comes off exactly as ridiculous as you'd imagine. I have no idea how true that is, but I also don't want to look it up and be disappointed that's not the case. froglet fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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froglet posted:The story I heard about the movie was they bought the rights with the condition that they weren't allowed to parody or make fun of the material in any way. Of course, the entire premise is so absurd it comes off exactly as ridiculous as you'd imagine. There's a shorter free version on YouTube in 4 parts, and while they don't go over the top in mocking it they really don't need to Although the version I heard was that the rights were given for free, on the basis that it would get The Word out there regardless of the director's intent All four parts if you have an hour or so to enjoy them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LADLv1803Vw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H_DlXPhwVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap6399XSN8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE4sn9_GIu4
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Randabis posted:I dive through so my bullshit Enjoy your day off, Marjorie
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Qanon is pro-Michael Jackson being around kids. https://greatawakening.win/p/12hR2wvztJ/for-those-who-hasnt-see-mjs-warn/c/ "For those who hasn’t see MJ’s warning before his death. Worth a watch. Ironically one letter seems prominent. Tells people to wake up. " quote:Donald Trump was a loyal friend to Michael and allowed him to live at Trump Tower and play with his kids after the accusations that he was a pedo. He defended him against all of the ugly accusations. It's worth a watch as well. you'll probably need to read the subtitles like I did. Trump × MJ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4MvwQ6ezo quote:Donald Jr says they were friends when Jr was a kid, and that MJ didnt do aything "Pervert" quote:I bought into all that stuff about him being a pervert. Now I’m not so sure quote:Remember that pedophile loving Oprah turned on MJ. She promoted child-trafficking "John of God" the baby seller/rapist and sucked up to Weinstein. I heard she also went to "the Island". Why did she want to ruin MJ's brand and his legacy? Maybe so people dismiss what he said right here ^^. quote:MJ - was not a pedophile. He was trying to save hollywood kids from exploitation in Neverland.
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I am curious to see how prison will evolve the Q community. Will there be an inter prison neo Nazis radicalization that takes the Q folk from nuts to literal Nazis?
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Elea posted:Qanon is pro-Michael Jackson being around kids. quote:I've thought the same thing about Cosby. Because he would have been vocal against black lives matter. He encouraged as God more black youth to getting an education and to not end up in the streets. Never been more than he said she said with way too much weight being thrown onto she said. 
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Breathtaking irony that QAnons would also be Michael Jackson defenders. I remember there was an aggressive online movement of Michael Jackson fans even after Leaving Neverland, and how I felt that to be the height of human indecency. Little did I know what the future had in store just a year or two later.
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It also goes to show that the idea that All The Bad People I Don't Like Secretly gently caress Children is, in addition to being insane and divorced from reality, a lie which makes the prevention of actual child sex abuse more difficult. Sadly, it's the people you see every day who commit these heinous acts, not just a shadowy cabal of "elites."
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Elea posted:Qanon is pro-Michael Jackson being around kids. i am always amused by these morons saying poo poo like "well he didnt molest those famous kids or the sons of rich assholes" like dumbasses, thats inline with sex monster predator behavior. like he isnt gonna molest culkan or don junior because those kids are famous or have rich famous parents. dude prayed upon poor weird aussie kids and make a wish kids because they are weak and dont have resources to fight back and they are people who can be "indebted" to the monster. etc. i mean of course they are fine with real predators. i know my gf asked me why they don't care about actual sex monsters or actual child molesters. and honestly i can't word a good answer outside, "they don't actually care about that poo poo, its just an easy insult/etc".
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I am curious to see how prison will evolve the Q community. Will there be an inter prison neo Nazis radicalization that takes the Q folk from nuts to literal Nazis? Eh, if I had to guess just going on my arbitrary knowledge derived from spending way too much time reading about weird right-wing cranks on the internet. I would say most of them will double down even further and vanish into delusions of The Storm arriving any day now The white supremacist prison gangs will try to recruit them at first, but then be violently turned away for not supporting their delusions. Which won't end well because most qultists are weekend warriors and hobby martial artists. They're not gonna win in a shiv fight with Skullfucker Jim
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I am curious to see how prison will evolve the Q community. Will there be an inter prison neo Nazis radicalization that takes the Q folk from nuts to literal Nazis? They already want to round up and murder everyone whose lifestyle, colour or opinions they mildly disapprove of during "the storm". They are literal Nazis.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean of course they are fine with real predators. i know my gf asked me why they don't care about actual sex monsters or actual child molesters. and honestly i can't word a good answer outside, "they don't actually care about that poo poo, its just an easy insult/etc". They always go for the grossout imagery when they're trying to make people hate other people. Blood libel and satanism, like all other fascist "beliefs", is only half-believed. At this point it's traditional though, for all of their enemies. The great western conspiracy theory started with wartime propaganda against the Carthaginians. Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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I was reading the sci-fi book "horse destroys the universe" and one of the plot elements was a tv show called "destiny's destination" where the gimmick was that it was a soap opera that had an unnamed premise that anyone making a youtube show could set their story in, and in fact everyone in the real world was implicitly a character in the show by default. And as it went on and became the most popular show it blurred who was actually doing something and who was playing a part, until it became indistinguishable. (and basically destroyed society) I think that is what qanon actually was. A lot of it was never "real" like real things are real, it was plotlines. They were important and mattered, but in a fiction that people basically knew was fiction, but were part of collective storytelling that still had people acting out things with no real distinction between story and fact. It fast fan fiction to real life.
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Elea posted:Qanon is pro-Michael Jackson being around kids. quote:I cant ducking stand his music, but I dont believe he's pedo I'm impressed how this person managed to find the two wrong MJ takes at the same time. Also Actual-Still-President-Trump is reportedly hanging his enemies in broad daylight outside the white house https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-qanon-president-white-house-executions-b1798452.html massive spider fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Feb 7, 2021 |
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