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Dapper_Swindler posted:my impression is it will be way closer than anyone expects. like 11 GOP ghouls vote to convict or some poo poo. depends on a bunch of poo poo and mostly on if trump fucks up enough. Eleven is tantalizingly enough close to 16 where you'd better believe there would be INTENSE backroom lobbying to find the Senators to close the gap.
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Feb 10, 2021 00:22
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TulliusCicero posted:Supposedly there is evidence that directly links the WH to conversations with the Proud Boy and Oathkeeper leadership but thats the thing, the republican senators have taken the position that this doesnt matter because it's an unconstitutional impeachment. and voting no "because its illegitimate" is much easier for them then voting yes regardless of the facts
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Feb 10, 2021 00:23
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Medullah posted:Anyone have a link to the video they played at the beginning of the trial? Starts at 29:40: https://www.c-span.org/video/?508293-1/impeachment-trial&vod
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Feb 10, 2021 00:24
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ArmyGroup303 posted:Eleven is tantalizingly enough close to 16 where you'd better believe there would be INTENSE backroom lobbying to find the Senators to close the gap. again, i think it depends on trumps actions, the witnesses(i assume there will be some) and how much new stuff the house comes out with. while i think trump will get acquitted, who knows.
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Feb 10, 2021 00:25
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MSB3000 posted:Realistically, what would it take for Trump, right now, to get the GOP to turn on him. I am genuinely drawing a blank.
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Feb 10, 2021 00:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:again, i think it depends on trumps actions, the witnesses(i assume there will be some) and how much new stuff the house comes out with. while i think trump will get acquitted, who knows. Nobody knows his actions right now because all his social media has been taken away.
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Feb 10, 2021 00:30
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Nobody knows his actions right now because all his social media has been taken away. And yet the entire GOP is still deathly afraid of him and utterly beholden to him, a guy they can't see or hear anymore. He literally has supplanted God to them...
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Feb 10, 2021 00:36
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I finally got to watch the Democrats' video and drat...
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Feb 10, 2021 00:40
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nine-gear crow posted:And yet the entire GOP is still deathly afraid of him and utterly beholden to him, a guy they can't see or hear anymore. He literally has supplanted God to them... So did Reagan. Until Trump. Republicans love to deify their leaders. They talk poo poo about Christianity and Jesus and whatnot but constantly roll with false prophets to get Evangelical-fanatic followers.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:06
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Gatts posted:So did Reagan. Until Trump. Republicans love to deify their leaders. They talk poo poo about Christianity and Jesus and whatnot but constantly roll with false prophets to get Evangelical-fanatic followers. you go deep enough. its always been weird longing for monarchism.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:09
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Dapper_Swindler posted:you go deep enough. its always been weird longing for fascism European fascist movements often modeled after the US.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:11
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so can they force them or even trump to testfy? They can subpoena whoever they want and call them as witnesses. The only limitation is that people have a right to not self-incriminate and Trump can just sit there taking the fifth all day. Except that they've already announced that they're not calling any witnesses.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:12
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Dapper_Swindler posted:you go deep enough. its always been weird longing for monarchism. Yeah. They want a Big Daddy Strong Man. We talk about how Reagan broke the Dems spirit but I think that very long stretch of Dem rule in the 1900s probably broke the Republicans until Newt and Reagan turned it around for them and they went headlong into fanaticism and have been radicalizing their base ever since. Theodore Roosevelt is an opposite of what Reagan's Republicans were.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:16
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Random Stranger posted:They can subpoena whoever they want and call them as witnesses. The only limitation is that people have a right to not self-incriminate and Trump can just sit there taking the fifth all day. who trump or the House? Gatts posted:Yeah. They want a Big Daddy Strong Man. nixon turned it around for them or was the beginning. there used to be liberal/decent republicans but they were purged after ford pretty hard. than reagan brought the evangelicals and the super racists(nixon got them on board but not fully) and here and newt killed the norms.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:19
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If Trump testifies they probably still acquit but he will definitely tell a lot of lies under oath
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Feb 10, 2021 01:20
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Random Stranger posted:They can subpoena whoever they want and call them as witnesses. The only limitation is that people have a right to not self-incriminate and Trump can just sit there taking the fifth all day. Comedy option is that Trump gets so mad at his attorneys that he demands to take the stand.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:20
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Rabble posted:Comedy option is that Trump gets so mad at his attorneys that he demands to take the stand. i see that or him firing one of them as actual posibility.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:who trump or the House? That's actually a good question. The power is inherent to congress, so the house managers can subpoena people, though I'm not sure if congress can just ignore the impeached official's request for a witness and they might be able to just ignore the prosecution sending out subpoenas ("Congratulations, you can make someone show up. We don't have to let them testify."). I'm inclined to say that they could block witnesses since there are no actual rules for what an impeachment trial consists of (and why the first thing they do is lay out what the plan for that trial will be), but that's a grey area that nobody's every tried before. The whole question is moot since no witnesses are going to be called, though.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:27
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You know you've really made a meandering argument when the orange champion of the sport accuses you of going over the line.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:36
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Otteration posted:You know you've made a meandering argument when the orange champion of the sport accuses you of going over the line. I mean, he calls people who are in better shape than him fat all the time.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:38
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Look honey, this is how the strongest Republic justifies exporting democracy to banana producing microstates and imposing fascism on south and central America
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Feb 10, 2021 01:44
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i see that or him firing one of them as actual posibility. How about he fires them both and then has Jr, Ivanka and Kusher defend him to his script? That would really be the best outcome and let us know that 2020 is finally over.
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Feb 10, 2021 01:45
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Otteration posted:You know you've really made a meandering argument when the orange champion of the sport accuses you of going over the line. he is pissed because castor admitted that trump was "kinda" guilty and is doing the "well its too late to do anything" defense, instead of screaming "heil trump" with tears in his eyes before unloading a gun into his brain with his last words being "for him" Random Stranger posted:That's actually a good question. The power is inherent to congress, so the house managers can subpoena people, though I'm not sure if congress can just ignore the impeached official's request for a witness and they might be able to just ignore the prosecution sending out subpoenas ("Congratulations, you can make someone show up. We don't have to let them testify."). I'm inclined to say that they could block witnesses since there are no actual rules for what an impeachment trial consists of (and why the first thing they do is lay out what the plan for that trial will be), but that's a grey area that nobody's every tried before. i think there might be witnesses.
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Feb 10, 2021 02:23
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Genuine question: If the votes aren't there to convict him, then what is the point of this exercise? Is it to try to convince the public that Trump was culpable in inciting the riots, and to show how corrupt the GOP is to give them fodder for the midterms?
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Feb 10, 2021 02:23
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McCloud posted:Genuine question: If the votes aren't there to convict him, then what is the point of this exercise? Is it to try to convince the public that Trump was culpable in inciting the riots, and to show how corrupt the GOP is to give them fodder for the midterms? mix of both. the morality of it is basicaly you can't just let him walk when you do poo poo like that and so doing it is a moral good. the issue is the obvious, the GOP won't do the right thing probably so it sucks. thing is he will probably end up getting pinched with in the year with the SDNY case which will basically be a giant circus of horrors but will probably land with some criminal charges or some poo poo though probably not jail.
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Feb 10, 2021 02:27
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Random Stranger posted:They can subpoena whoever they want and call them as witnesses. The only limitation is that people have a right to not self-incriminate and Trump can just sit there taking the fifth all day. Trump calling the fifth all day could easily be sold as an obvious admission that crimes have been committed. That seems like a clear win for Dems... especially since you know he'd probably be incapable of it and he'd start ranting and going off script almost immediately.
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Feb 10, 2021 03:08
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The ironic thing is that one of the arguments against impeachment is that no criminal charges are alleged. Yet, it’s highly likely that within six months Trump will be indicted in multiple states and possibly federally.
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Feb 10, 2021 03:12
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Random Stranger posted:Except that they've already announced that they're not calling any witnesses. they have done no such thing, there are news stories from as recently as this morning about how it's still undecided whether they will or not no determination will be officially made until both sides have had their two days worth of time opening and the senators have their four hour period to ask questions
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Feb 10, 2021 03:21
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A little late to reply due to work, but thank you for everyone who tried to clarify Schoen's head covering movement. I would say I'm gonna walk back what I said but apparently I can't now according to rambling lawyer dude, who I am sure was in Earthbound. Regardless, I politely rescind my uninformed comment. But the rest of the defense team's arguments turned out okay, right? Because he hires the best people. Right?
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Feb 10, 2021 03:53
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Dapper_Swindler posted:who trump or the House? George Bush Sr was the beginning when he joined the CIA and helped get JFK whacked, followed by Robert to clear the way for Nixon. Allegedly.
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Feb 10, 2021 04:09
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That video from the house managers was chilling. Just when you think you've seen everything, there is always more.
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Feb 10, 2021 04:26
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Your country is really loving stupid. It's beginning to piss me off.
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Feb 10, 2021 04:36
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jet sanchEz posted:Your country is really loving stupid. Any other western hegemon following World War II would have turned out the same.
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Feb 10, 2021 04:50
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ApeHawk posted:Can we just have Romney death-staring all the Republicans in-between breaks to get them to see reason? Rather, why don't these terrified bureaucrats resign, retire, and expat to a tropical tax haven?
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Feb 10, 2021 05:11
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Grouchio posted:Would he scare them more than the voter base that wants to rip their heads off if they so much as go off script? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-tXkjwnCk because this.
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Feb 10, 2021 05:15
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awesmoe posted:but thats the thing, the republican senators have taken the position that this doesnt matter because it's an unconstitutional impeachment. and voting no "because its illegitimate" is much easier for them then voting yes regardless of the facts Yeah the entire point of the "it's illegitimate" argument is to allow them to vote not guilty without proclaiming his innocence. There won't be a single vote to convict from that group of Senators.
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Feb 10, 2021 06:06
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The worst possible outcome is Trump gets convicted in the impeachment, convicted in all the state and federal indictments, and then before he sees a single day in prison Biden pardons him, so that's what's going to happen.
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Feb 10, 2021 08:15
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human garbage bag posted:The worst possible outcome is Trump gets convicted in the impeachment, convicted in all the state and federal indictments, and then before he sees a single day in prison Biden pardons him, so that's what's going to happen.
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human garbage bag posted:The worst possible outcome is Trump gets convicted in the impeachment, convicted in all the state and federal indictments, and then before he sees a single day in prison Biden pardons him, so that's what's going to happen.
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