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Fame Douglas posted:Still lolling that $2000 was originally a Trump proposal. and on top of that, Trump means tested it less and part of Biden fulfilling the "$2000" promise is using part of the money that Trump got and you'll get berated by libs if you suggest otherwise! It's mind bending how loving dumb it all is
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Fame Douglas posted:Still lolling that $2000 was originally a Trump proposal. seriously, i lmao'd so much when he made that video and the dems were blindsided and pelosi had to come out saying 'uhhmh... yeah that's great!! let's do it!! that's actually what we wanted the whole time, but he just wouldn't tell us what he was open to so we just assumed $600 was the number" he managed to completely gently caress the democratic party's 2022/2024 prospects with a single 2 minute video, and he's probably too stupid to even realize that's what he did lmfao
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the funniest part of all this is that 2k doesn't cost the dems anything but not giving it does. they simply hate poor people so much that they are willing to take the hit.
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Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this.
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I'm surprised they are giving checks at all since they have 98% intra party approval and aren't just rubbing it in our faces we are getting nothing.
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Eggplant Squire posted:I'm surprised they are giving checks at all since they have 98% intra party approval and aren't just rubbing it in our faces we are getting nothing. they’re not gonna cut another check for the rest of the year. open Er up
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Taintrunner posted:they’re not gonna cut another check for the rest of the year. open Er up From a purely ends justify the means outlook why should they when their voters love them either way?
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Fame Douglas posted:Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this. He's a big coal mine CEO, he knows his constituents want free money, he doesn't want them to have it because then they'll be less desperate and harder for him to exploit. E: same reason Capito-Moore (R-WV), who has the exact same constituents, the people of West Virginia, also insists they don't want free money, they want jobs in unregulated coal mines with no minimum wage VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 16:28 on Feb 12, 2021 |
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Feb 12, 2021 16:24
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Eggplant Squire posted:From a purely ends justify the means outlook why should they when their voters love them either way? oh the year of calamity has only just begun, my friend
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Feb 12, 2021 16:25
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yeah wv created a huge portion of americas industrial era energy wealth. its population is impoverished by design not by accident
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Fame Douglas posted:Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this. My suspicion is Manchins voter base is chock full of folks more concerned about "the wrong people" benefitting from something than about getting assistance themselves. Not really sure though, West Virginia is weird.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:My suspicion is Manchins voter base is chock full of folks more concerned about "the wrong people" benefitting from something than about getting assistance themselves. Not really sure though, West Virginia is weird. Places like rural Pennsylvania or West Virginia have been living through a social and economic collapse for decades at this point. The town I grew up has the gas turned off to city hall regularly because the government can't afford to pay the bill. All this dysfunctional poo poo that's new to us has been their reality for a very long time at this point and they're used to dealing with it.
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Driving in WV is wild. Thanks to Byrd being able to play the senate rules like a fiddle the federal highways are some of the best and well maintained in the country but everything around them is stuck in obvious grinding poverty.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Places like rural Pennsylvania or West Virginia have been living through a social and economic collapse for decades at this point. The town I grew up has the gas turned off to city hall regularly because the government can't afford to pay the bill. Are the people in actual grinding poverty or are they just unwilling to pay taxes? I know a lot of "poor people" making hundreds of thousands a year in cash livestock etc business
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SchnorkIes posted:Are the people in actual grinding poverty or are they just unwilling to pay taxes? I know a lot of "poor people" making hundreds of thousands a year in cash livestock etc business drat I wish I was that poor
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SchnorkIes posted:Are the people in actual grinding poverty or are they just unwilling to pay taxes? I know a lot of "poor people" making hundreds of thousands a year in cash livestock etc business From the Wikipedia page for the town I grew up in: quote:The median income for a household in the city was $20,173, and the median income for a family was $30,038. Males had a median income of $28,261 versus $19,120 for females. The per capita income was $12,354. About 19.3% of families and 60.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 34.2% of those under age 18 and 21.3% of those age 65 or over. We couldn't afford a washer or a dryer growing up so I got used to washing my clothes in the sink the night before school and hanging them on radiators to dry. The collapse that's happening now is old hat for rural America.
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SchnorkIes posted:Are the people in actual grinding poverty or are they just unwilling to pay taxes? I know a lot of "poor people" making hundreds of thousands a year in cash livestock etc business you mean you know a lot of rich and miserly people who are unwilling to pay taxes
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Fame Douglas posted:Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this. he wants them to die, OP
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One More Fat Nerd posted:My suspicion is Manchins voter base is chock full of folks more concerned about "the wrong people" benefitting from something than about getting assistance themselves. Not really sure though, West Virginia is weird. Could it be decades of capitalist exploitation and oppression beating the people down and entrenching political power within a cabal of wealthy elites? No, it must be that the people are evil racists, probably secretly rich anyway, and most certainly deserve every ounce of suffering
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Cerebral Bore posted:you mean you know a lot of rich and miserly people who are unwilling to pay taxes Yeah, but on paper, and on the kind of income figures cited, they're poor, but they're moving paper bags full of cash for all manner of scheme
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Fame Douglas posted:Why exactly does Joe Manchin, senator of one of the poorest states in the union, think his constituents don't want free money? I really don't get his opposition/reluctance at all. It doesn't seem like he's getting some bribes for West Virginia out of this. not only this, but he is insisting on creating a bloc of voters millions strong that would've gotten two checks under Trump but zero under Biden, even though the pitch for 1400 is that it's fulfilling the 2k promise lol he's pursuing this and the Dem loyalists are defending it because they are born losers with poo poo for brains when it comes to anything politically that isn't attacking their left If we're extremely lucky it will only be the 15/hr wage increase that gets tossed in the dumpster to get Republican support, only for them to not vote for it anyway
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Epic High Five posted:not only this, but he is insisting on creating a bloc of voters millions strong that would've gotten two checks under Trump but zero under Biden, even though the pitch for 1400 is that it's fulfilling the 2k promise lol Manchin doesn't want the $15/hr minimum wage either so that's already off the table lmao Joe "I want my constituents to have low wages and no stimulus money" Manchin, but hey we've gotta support that guy because theres no way west virginia could ever elect anybody better than him!!!!
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vyelkin posted:Manchin doesn't want the $15/hr minimum wage either so that's already off the table lmao "Look, if it isn't him it'll be a Republican who votes for 0% of good things instead of 1%!" I say, regarding a seat that has been held by a Democrat for decades and decades and the sample size of Dem Senators pushing for progressive things in WV and being punished as a result is exactly 0 We really need one of the left leaning Senators to go rogue like Manchin from the other direction, I bet leadership would suddenly find some tools in their toolkit to deal with people trying to tank their legislation then
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SchnorkIes posted:Are the people in actual grinding poverty or are they just unwilling to pay taxes? I know a lot of "poor people" making hundreds of thousands a year in cash livestock etc business SchnorkIes posted:Yeah, but on paper, and on the kind of income figures cited, they're poor, but they're moving paper bags full of cash for all manner of scheme ...are you running for a position within the DNC on their very popular "poors don't exist, anyone claiming to be poor is a lying rear end in a top hat who actually has 100k in reserve which is why we must means test everything before giving no one anything" platform??
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Oh I didn't know we were cool with 'welfare moms with cadillacs' tropes in this forum
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Epic High Five posted:"Look, if it isn't him it'll be a Republican who votes for 0% of good things instead of 1%!" I say, regarding a seat that has been held by a Democrat for decades and decades and the sample size of Dem Senators pushing for progressive things in WV and being punished as a result is exactly 0 They'll show that senator the footage of the JFK assassination from an angle no one's publicly seen before and that'll be it.
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stellers bae posted:Oh I didn't know we were cool with 'welfare moms with cadillacs' tropes in this forum Rural white chuds who play poor but are running cash businesses where the czar is far away is a very different demographic, in that it actually exists
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SchnorkIes posted:Rural white chuds who play poor but are running cash businesses where the czar is far away is a very different demographic, in that it actually exists lol okay buddy
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SchnorkIes posted:Rural white chuds who play poor but are running cash businesses where the czar is far away is a very different demographic, in that it actually exists I've known folks like that living in the rural south. One was a friends dad who didnt pay any taxes, including payroll taxes, on his electrician contracting company for around 20 years. The IRS came down on him hard, he bought an 80,000 dollar truck, (possibly some kind of money-sink idea?) declared bankruptcy, and died of a heart attack within a month. His kids were pretty well hosed over too. There's no way theres enough ppl like that to be a demographic of any size though.
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it's a thing but it's also pointless to bring up, especially apropos of nothing also it comes across as lovely because jfc dude even a cursory amount of trying to understand the demographics of wv/appalachia tells you that for every dickhole small business tyrant whose gimmick is taking ag subsidy and abusing migrant workers there are like 5+ more people getting totally fuckin economically shafted (referring to fake-schnork's original "but are they truly poor?" post)
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Tempora Mutantur posted:it's a thing but it's also pointless to bring up, especially apropos of nothing
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Idpol has been a massive success in respect to destroying class consciousness
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Tempora Mutantur posted:it's a thing but it's also pointless to bring up, especially apropos of nothing 'it's a thing' about as much as all the poor people in the ghetto are actually drug dealers, which is to say, gently caress you
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SchnorkIes posted:Rural white chuds who play poor but are running cash businesses where the czar is far away is a very different demographic, in that it actually exists inasmuch as those people exist they are all hardcore trumpers. those are the people who stormed the capitol.
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numerrik posted:I forget who said it, but I remember a quote from years ago, that went something like “America is a one party state, but in typical American decadence, they have two of them.” "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, President of Tanzania, an extremely good quote
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Tanzanice.
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Terror Sweat posted:Idpol has been a massive success in respect to destroying class consciousness it completely destroyed occupy and that first week after the Floyd killing when 70% of people said "yeah maybe we need to loving disarm the police" and people from every racial background thought they were right to burn that precinct down turned into vice president kopmala because of the ensuing "frank discussions"
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quote:During the past few years strong movements have developed among women and among homosexuals seeking their liberation. There has been some uncertainty about how to relate to these movements.
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