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Vince MechMahon posted:From Boreanaz' statement it sounds like he never personally saw any of it, but believes them. It may be a case where he just had favorites he didn't gently caress with, and Tudyk was one of them. He hasn't been accused of anything by people in Firefly, it might just be he waits until the second season of a show to become a monster.
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I’m also pretty sure Tudyk’s statement came a little while ago, when it was just rumours about Whedon being lovely on the set of Justice League and not everyone had come forward. I’ll be honest, I’d be curious what he has to say now.
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Phylodox posted:I’m also pretty sure Tudyk’s statement came a little while ago, when it was just rumours about Whedon being lovely on the set of Justice League and not everyone had come forward. I’ll be honest, I’d be curious what he has to say now. To my knowledge he hasn't worked with anyone who's made an accusation towards Whedon. Even if you didn't see it, it's gotta be different if someone you worked with closely for multiple seasons on a show says this and if your only commonality is you once worked with the same person years apart.
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Rhyno posted:I'm sure Baldwin will stand up for Whedon. I wouldn't be too sure about that. The two argued constantly on the set about politics.
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Vince MechMahon posted:From Boreanaz' statement it sounds like he never personally saw any of it, but believes them. It may be a case where he just had favorites he didn't gently caress with, and Tudyk was one of them. A lot of abusers will single out people to harass for whatever reason they use to justify it in their head, but not be a creepy gently caress up to other people, so this is very possible.
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Anora posted:A lot of abusers will single out people to harass for whatever reason they use to justify it in their head, but not be a creepy gently caress up to other people, so this is very possible. Yeah, sounds as he was going after certain type of people he thought were easy targets (women and PoC). People like that can act as the coolest charismatic dudes in the world around everyone else, so it's understandable that Anthony Steward never got to see his behavior in person. Masters was an exception because it seems he was really angry his character was so famous and fans were pairing him with Buffy...which makes Whedon so loving creepy. He probably never abused people like ScarJo because of her status as an actress in big movies, but honestly I really dunno how protective is Disney of abuse towards their actors. Or how good they are to sweep everything under a rug.
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Skwirl posted:He hasn't been accused of anything by people in Firefly, it might just be he waits until the second season of a show to become a monster. There's a bit in an old documentary from the early 2000s about Whedon, when he was about as much of a full-fledged nerd hero as he'd ever be, where someone mentions offhandedly that you'd have to be insane to be the showrunner for more than one TV program. Immediate hard cut to Whedon talking about how at that point, between "Firefly," "Buffy," and "Angel," he was running three. He might've just not have had the time to gently caress around on that set.
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Skwirl posted:He hasn't been accused of anything by people in Firefly, it might just be he waits until the second season of a show to become a monster. Tudyk also worked on Dollhouse, though. I think it's more likely that as someone said, Whedon had preferred targets rather than be weird to everyone. The person whose silence to date surprises me most is Summer Glau, who would seem to exactly fit his bill.
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Because I'm a huge nerd I have all the Buffy DVDs and watched the episodes with commentary that have them and that time Angel was evil and just snapped the neck of a teacher that was a recurring character and friend to Buffy until then, Whedon says he did it to let all the actors know they could be fired at any moment. It seemed like a funny aside 15 year ago, but I've been thinking about it way too much since Charisma Carpenter's statement.
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David D. Davidson posted:Hey guys remember when Joss Whedon was hailed as a feminist? Yes, and I remember back in the mid-late 2000s people writing blogs critiquing some pretty anti-feminist and anti-POC trends in Whedon’s work from Buffy onwards.
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Desperado Bones posted:Yeah, sounds as he was going after certain type of people he thought were easy targets (women and PoC). At the same time, J. August Richards tweeted out sympathy and compassion for Carpenter, but nothing specific about Whedon. It could be that Whedon’s just a malignant rear end in a top hat completely at random. No pattern, just treats whoever he doesn’t care for like poo poo.
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Skwirl posted:Because I'm a huge nerd I have all the Buffy DVDs and watched the episodes with commentary that have them and that time Angel was evil and just snapped the neck of a teacher that was a recurring character and friend to Buffy until then, Whedon says he did it to let all the actors know they could be fired at any moment. It seemed like a funny aside 15 year ago, but I've been thinking about it way too much since Charisma Carpenter's statement. This is also the same poo poo he said to Marsters while he had him against that wall. That regardless of his character being popular that the power is still his.
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Skwirl posted:He hasn't been accused of anything by people in Firefly, it might just be he waits until the second season of a show to become a monster. There's a part of me that wonders Whedon being a dick was a factor in Firefly's bungling. It obviously wouldn't be the only factor. But after almost two decades of "Bring back Firefly" petitions and internet rumor-false starts, Whedon's general shittiness seems like it would be the obvious barrier.
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Whedon being a dick is why Angel was canceled. He came back from Firefly and tried to big dick his way to an early renewal and it backfired.
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https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/amp/ Whedon absolutely knew and knows what he’s doing. Like almost all abusers, he’s of sound mind and knows what he’s doing is harmful, even to people he cares about, but his values system is busted. Rationalizing and making excuses for his behaviors is easier and more convenient than facing the harm, apologizing and atoning, and changing as a person.
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Skwirl posted:He hasn't been accused of anything by people in Firefly, it might just be he waits until the second season of a show to become a monster. Not to do with on-set abuse as such, but wasn't there supposedly a planned storyline where Inara gets raped? I remember reading about it and thinking "Woah, surely they can't be serious." Now it all sounds horribly plausible. Definitely seeing a pathology emerging with Whedon, namely that he gets off on creating a strong female character and having them be abused in the cruellest way possible. It's like "I made them, I can break them." It's right there in his Wonder Woman script as well, and Dollhouse too.
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Maelstache posted:Not to do with on-set abuse as such, but wasn't there supposedly a planned storyline where Inara gets raped? I remember reading about it and thinking "Woah, surely they can't be serious." Now it all sounds horribly plausible. "She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'"
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Vince MechMahon posted:"She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'" Jim Halpert, staring into the camera.
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Vince MechMahon posted:"She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'" Before all of this, I forgot how much rape there actually was in Firefly. Like... holy gently caress, Joss.
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Vince MechMahon posted:"She had this magic syringe. She would take this drug. And if she were, for instance, raped, the rapist would die a horrible death. The story was that she gets kidnapped by Reavers and when Mal finally got to the ship to save her from the Reavers, he gets on the Reaver ship and all the Reavers are dead. Which would suggest a kind of really bad assault. At the end of the episode, he comes in after she's been horribly brutalized, and he comes in and he gets down on his knee, and he takes her hand. And he treats her like a lady. And that's the kind of stuff that we wanted to do. It was very dark. And this was actually the first story that Joss pitched to me when he asked me to come work on the show. He said, 'These are the kind of stories we're going to do.'" That was it. Holy gently caress. It's loving baffling how they thought that kind of poo poo would ever fly with Fox, who I'm starting to wonder if weren't entirely the villains they've been painted as in the Firefly story.
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Man, in retrospect there's a lot of  being done by that "Mal finds a ship full if dead cannibal-rapists and a brutalized Inara but he still has the down home gentlemanly charm of getting down on one knee because even a victim of intense trauma deserves chivalrous respect.Like Mal does the whole "ya drat whore" thing a few times in the show as a weird shorthand for 'attracted to Inara but'
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Maelstache posted:That was it. Holy gently caress. Firefly pilot is super boring and Fox was absolutely right to start with a later episode.
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"It would take a hideous, unthinkable sexual assault for Mal to start treating Inara with basic human respect and not constantly call her a whore" really sums up so many of Firefly's issues for me. That show wasn't Dollhouse, but it still had huge glaring Whedon Problems.
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Antivehicular posted:"It would take a hideous, unthinkable sexual assault for Mal to start treating Inara with basic human respect and not constantly call her a whore" really sums up so many of Firefly's issues for me. That show wasn't Dollhouse, but it still had huge glaring Whedon Problems. Even if I wanted to rewatch the show and honestly I haven't in ages, even without Joss there's that giant chunk of Adam Baldwin there to turn one off. Did any of the cast ever say anything about him?
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Dawgstar posted:Even if I wanted to rewatch the show and honestly I haven't in ages, even without Joss there's that giant chunk of Adam Baldwin there to turn one off. Did any of the cast ever say anything about him? He and Alan Tudyk reportedly came close to blows on the set at least once and seem to despise each other, if I'm recalling correctly.
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Vince MechMahon posted:He and Alan Tudyk reportedly came close to blows on the set at least once and seem to despise each other, if I'm recalling correctly. From what it sounds like (from this interview at least), they were friendly, but would get frustrated with each other. At least from Joss’s perspective. Also... quote:Adam has always been a very conservative Libertarian, and he’s always been a very sweet and grateful and hard working actor, and that’s the guy I like to think about, not the guy who is calling me and Felicia Day out on Twitter because some obnoxious person is on our side and saying, ‘This proves...’ something. I don’t understand.
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https://twitter.com/NadriaTucker/status/1364619228628750340?s=19 Reminder: Geoff Johns is a piece of poo poo Edit: https://twitter.com/NadriaTucker/status/1364601110619545607?s=19 Also some background https://twitter.com/TheFirstOkiro/status/1364582425670508545?s=19 McCloud fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Feb 24, 2021 |
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JESUS CHRIST WHAT https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1364643265421664263?s=20
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Rhyno posted:Geoff Johns is the writer who brought Cyborg back to his original form and them pushed him to the A list of the Justice League so let's all just assume that he has written extensive notes about Cyborg's robo-balls. Ehh, I don't think Bendis wrote extensive notes on The Thing's reproductive organs when he put him on Avengers.
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Skwirl posted:Ehh, I don't think Bendis wrote extensive notes on The Thing's reproductive organs when he put him on Avengers. Chuck Austen and Nightcrawler on the other hand...
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Skwirl posted:Ehh, I don't think Bendis wrote extensive notes on The Thing's reproductive organs when he put him on Avengers. No but there's definitely a wall of post its with extensive thoughts on Luke Cage.
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CaligulaKangaroo posted:Chuck Austen and Nightcrawler on the other hand... Was Austen ever more than just a kinda creepy writer who didn’t filter being more overtly sexual with a lot of his work? I don’t know his story with Nightcrawler though. I swear I read way back in Internet 1.0 that Dave Cockrum privately drew Nightcrawler and Kitty together with the latter character uh, “enjoying a little AC/DC” (paraphrased). If that was true that feels downright normal tbh. I’m really disappointed in Geoff Johns’s hard-headed rear end in a top hat racist attitudes. I jumped on to DC right when he started the Titans and Outsiders reboots and enjoyed his JSA stuff. I wonder if this was an always thing or if he’s high on his own “relevance.”
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