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It looks good, but I really don't get the whole remaster thing. I just want new poo poo.
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The Starcraft remaster was considered extremely successful and they're taking a similar approach with this one. I get it, the formula is dated. I, personally, can't really enjoy Diablo 2 anymore without a gameplay mod like Eastern Sun. But they're making the right call for the majority of the audience by keeping the gameplay the same.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:38
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In its default state, Diablo 2 is a terrible game. Without duping, there is no reason to play it. There are very few viable builds, and only 3 that could be considered fun. Without duping, to make the game fun a lot of drop rates would need to be increased by like 5-6 orders of magnitude, some even more than that. The combination of them presumably fixing the things that make duping possible (especially on console) and not updating the UI or fixing the 80% of skills that are worthless/undoing the awful synergies is going to result in a game that a lot of people buy, but very few enjoy for more than maybe 10 hours.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:44
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K8.0 posted:a game that a lot of people buy, but very few enjoy for more than maybe 10 hours. Even better--that way they'll be ready to buy something else soon!
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K8.0 posted:In its default state, Diablo 2 is a terrible game. Without duping, there is no reason to play it. There are very few viable builds, and only 3 that could be considered fun. Without duping, to make the game fun a lot of drop rates would need to be increased by like 5-6 orders of magnitude, some even more than that. The combination of them presumably fixing the things that make duping possible (especially on console) and not updating the UI or fixing the 80% of skills that are worthless/undoing the awful synergies is going to result in a game that a lot of people buy, but very few enjoy for more than maybe 10 hours. This. It can't be overstated just how atrociously bad the drop rates in vanilla Diablo 2 are. They make launch Diablo 3 look generous. And knowing Blizzard, you can say goodbye to the offline mode too.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:47
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Diablo 2 gives me a headache after about an hour these days because it's just hard to loving look at on a modern setup.
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Feb 20, 2021 00:59
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I mean, I agree about the drop rates of Diablo 2 being bad but I also find it hard to argue with a remaster that is pretty much the same game but with better graphics, updated UI elements, and bug fixes.
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Feb 20, 2021 01:23
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Blizzard also just announced Burning Crusade classic so I guess they're just in that space where they can profit off of their old poo poo forever?
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Feb 20, 2021 01:32
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I welcome the remake so I can play Diablo 2...on the Switch Lite. I'm running out of arpgs on it and it owns playing them on a handheld.
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Feb 20, 2021 01:35
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Didn't expect there to be so many negative opinions about a genre defining classic, but video games nerds gonna nerd I suppose. There's lots of stuff that'll need to be touched up, rebalanced, etc, but the core of the game is still great. Edit: The biggest changes I'd make: multiplayer loot needs to be instanced, the stamina system is pointless, and the monster immunity system on hell difficulty sucks for too many builds. ponzicar fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Feb 20, 2021 01:38
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I thought the Diablo 2 remake was called Path Of Exile?
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Feb 20, 2021 01:40
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Did they mention about it being mod friendly?
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Feb 20, 2021 01:44
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Ripper Swarm posted:I thought the Diablo 2 remake was called Path Of Exile? POE's way better than Diablo 2 with better graphics.
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The thing about genre-defining classics is that doing something first isn't necessarily the same as doing it best, so a lot of things that didn't seem so bad at the time become something that is seen a lot more critically when you re-examine those classics with the benefit of hindsight and knowing how the genre has developed and improved on the formula since.
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Feb 20, 2021 01:49
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the only thing about diablo 2 that holds up today is the moosic (e) even that might be mere nostalgia
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Feb 20, 2021 01:52
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DatonKallandor posted:This. It can't be overstated just how atrociously bad the drop rates in vanilla Diablo 2 are. They make launch Diablo 3 look generous. I like D2 because the drop rates are awful and everything is slow! Those types of looter RPGs no longer exist. I didn't like D3 because I wanted to play it on a really high difficulty so I didn't just mindlessly click through everything all the time but wanted like 1/10th the items and XP for doing so. Titan Quest eventually did it better imo, but not much else ever has.
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Feb 20, 2021 01:55
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they just confirmed that all the spawn rates, drop rates, etc will be the same e: they also just mentioned offline characters so i guess that mode is still in
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Feb 20, 2021 02:00
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Ciaphas posted:the only thing about diablo 2 that holds up today is the moosic
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Feb 20, 2021 02:03
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Ultimately there will probably be a lot of reasons not to buy this game, but here's another good one. https://twitter.com/Doctor_Cupcakes/status/1362919930698596360?s=20
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Feb 20, 2021 02:06
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Awesome! posted:they just confirmed that all the spawn rates, drop rates, etc will be the same God forbid they devalue the SOJ exchange rate.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:10
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Anno posted:Ultimately there will probably be a lot of reasons not to buy this game, but here's another good one. As much as I'd love a realise 3D magic academy game uhhh yeah not worth it even with the Rowling baggage alone nevermind this Someone give Georgina Bensley a huge budget please
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Feb 20, 2021 02:20
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https://twitter.com/Critsandchips/status/1362522830617903111 https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/18200/Guilty_Gear_Franchise/
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Feb 20, 2021 02:30
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biadlo 2 whipped rear end you weirdos
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ponzicar posted:Didn't expect there to be so many negative opinions about a genre defining classic, but video games nerds gonna nerd I suppose. There's lots of stuff that'll need to be touched up, rebalanced, etc, but the core of the game is still great. I was surprised to feel uninterested, but after giving it some thought, I would feel the same way about a prettier Snake Eater or Final Fantasy 6. The D2 remaster is only a HD version of a game I loved and put behind me. It isn't enough to make me want to replay it. I guess I want a game like D2, but not literally D2. There's just no pleasing some of us, eh? To use the other games I mentioned as examples, Snake Eater had a bunch of its cutscenes remastered for pachinko using the MGSV engine. I haven't even sought those cutscenes out, but I'd be all over the Snake Eater if it was re-released in the MGSV engine with new gameplay. Similarly, you couldn't keep me away if Final Fantasy 6 got the FF7 treatment.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:44
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I’m hoping the D2 remaster can be modded. It would be fun to play around with builds that I never got to try because the low drop rates and grinding bosses got boring quick. Path of Exile and Grim Dawn are better though and there’s a couple arpgs in early access now that might turn out well in a year or so.
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:biadlo 2 whipped rear end you weirdos It genuinely did! 20 years ago.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:56
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Fruits of the sea posted:Path of Exile and Grim Dawn are better though and there’s a couple arpgs in early access now that might turn out well in a year or so.
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Feb 20, 2021 02:59
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Zereth posted:Last Epoch is looking promising so far. I was literally just looking at that. Anyone here play the EA?
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Feb 20, 2021 03:00
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DatonKallandor posted:People are loving morons and they shouldn't listen to them. If they want to play Diablo 2, it's *right there*. Listening to people is what got them to make Starcraft 2 the way they did and that trainwreck set an entire genre back a decade. If they want to play Warcraft 3, it's *right there*
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Feb 20, 2021 03:01
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Anno posted:Ultimately there will probably be a lot of reasons not to buy this game, but here's another good one.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:02
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Grapplejack posted:If they want to play Warcraft 3, it's *right there* To be fair they did confirm they will not be nuking OG D2 this time. How generous of them.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:11
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Orv posted:To be fair they did confirm they will not be nuking OG D2 this time. How generous of them. I think I read that Blizzard said that they understand it was a bad decision to kill the original Warcraft 3. So why the hell aren't they fixing that bad decision and making the old version available again??
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Feb 20, 2021 03:16
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I enjoyed Diablo 2 but there was a lot about it that surely didn't age well. I'd get frustrated about drop rates and grinding new builds when I was young and (seemingly) had all the free time in the world. There is no way that poo poo would fly with me now that I'm an old fart. I've done the video game nostalgia thing enough times to know that I can't go back. Still, I know some people are into that (just look at the success of WoW classic) so I'm happy for them.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:20
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The thing to remember about everyone complaining about how terrible Diablo 2 is is that they all spent hundreds of hours playing and enjoying it and their complaints about balance and such are the type of thing that only happen when you try to make it into your Forever Game. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 20, 2021 03:22
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I never played it because Diablo 1 sucked!! It makes my index finger tired
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Feb 20, 2021 03:31
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Anno posted:I was literally just looking at that. Anyone here play the EA?  I'm waiting for all the acts to be in at least before I get back to it.
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Feb 20, 2021 03:43
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The Kins posted:iOS games... Which sounds great.
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I'm willing to admit that maybe I've just ultimately moved past enjoying ARPGs, but I feel like almost every time I have a problem with one's design it inevitably circles back around to "well that's how Diablo 2 did it". I actually forked over the  for the D2 expansion (since all I had were old rear end original discs for the base game) not all that long ago and I was into the game up to a point and then fell off hard. I don't need to play it for a 1000 hours to be able to tell the gameplay loop hasn't aged particularly well.
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Feb 20, 2021 04:06
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah this. Like not keeping those sort of metrics is really interesting. It’s not that they don’t keep them, it’s that they don’t want to give them to Apple . It would be trivial for someone to put together a report like this (in reality), but the legal argument is that 1) it is unduly burdensome; and 2) Apple doesn’t get to ask for internal corporate data for no reason. Frankly, the request is bullshit and valve is 100% correct in its response.
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I'll definitely play D2 again, but unless they change the endgame I don't see myself playing for long.
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